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Jeff's had the best car in so many races this season and missed the win. Vegas was his, no doubt about it. Ditto on a few others, and I believe Sunday's Pocono race should have been another win. That team should really have at least 4-5 wins this season.
 
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A recent report indicates Kentucky Speedway will get it's long-awaited Cup Series race, possibly as soon as 2011.

If that happens, and unless there is an expansion of the schedule, then another track is in danger of losing a race. Depending on which track that might be, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Mark Spoor and Bill Kimm each identify a track, regardless of corporate affiliation -- Kentucky Speedway is owned by Speedway Motorsports Inc. -- from which they say would be in NASCAR's best interest to eliminate a race.

Read their arguments and then weigh in with your thoughts in the comments below. Perhaps you have another track in mind. But if you happen to agree with either Mark or Bill, let it be known with a vote of support.

Mark Spoor says Fontana:

Whenever the subject comes up in our office -- and it does a lot -- my mind immediately goes to Fontana for a couple of reasons. First, I've covered races there -- even in the so-called "NASCAR Boom" era of the early 2000s, and there were always empty seats.

Now, before the e-mails start coming in, yes, I realize there are other venues around NASCAR that have had a hard time selling out, especially recently. In fact, I came very close to choosing Atlanta in my argument. There are cases to be made for almost every track on the circuit. However, there's one basic thing that puts Fontana at the top of my list.

Los Angeles is not a NASCAR town and I would venture to say that there's little that can happen to make it one. The buzz just isn't around the city during race weeks like it is in other places. NASCAR just isn't the main event of the week there, just another of many from which Southern Californians can choose.

Should Fontana have a race? Of course. The market alone dictates that. In fact, it's possible the track could be full with just one Cup race a year.

Why not Atlanta? It always has had a strong NASCAR fan base. There are things that could be done -- as in continuing to fix the traffic problems -- that could make you think that those seats will one day be full.

Despite the crew at Auto Club Speedway's best efforts -- and they have made many -- it's tough to imagine the same happening there.

Bill Kimm says Pocono:

I've said it before and I'll say it again: There is no reason to go to Pocono Raceway twice a year.

The first problem for Pocono is the length. Turning 200 laps at the 2.5-mile triangle is preposterous. The race is too long and that leads to boredom for the fans. There are only three races that should be 500 miles in length: Daytona, Darlington and Charlotte. Everything else should be no more than 400 miles.

The length of the race leads to boring racing. Be honest, Pocono is just not very exciting. Sure, there have been moments of grandeur, but those are few and far between and rain has been responsible for some of them.

I don't have a problem with long, green-flag runs, but when there is no passing and cars just tick off laps -- that's where I get frustrated, and that's what Pocono offers.

And at Pocono, the leader checks out on the field. This past Sunday, if a driver was out front, it took just a few laps to build up a lead of 3 to 6 seconds. Who wants to watch that? Seven of the past 10 races have had margins of victory larger than 1 second, with five of those larger than 2 seconds. Yawn.

And then there's the schedule. Two visits to the Tricky Triangle in six weeks is ridiculous. But, due to weather, that's exactly how it has to be. Well, that problem can be eliminated by giving one of Pocono's events to Kentucky, Kansas or Las Vegas.

One visit to Long Pond, Pa., is plenty for one season.

Weigh in on the debate, Fontana or Pocono or someone else to maqke way for Kentucky?
 
Dump one race from all 3 tracks mentioned, give 1 date to Kentucky, 1 to Vegas and the last for Kansas or a 2nd race at Darlington.
 
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Dump one race from all 3 tracks mentioned, give 1 date to Kentucky, 1 to Vegas and the last for Kansas or a 2nd race at Darlington.

Replace with Road America and a second race at the Glen using the "boot". 👍
 
Montoya needs a new crew chief, he has lost all confidence in Brian Pattie's ability to give him a win
 
I don't know much about the Kentucky Speedway to comment. However, I have heard of Kentucky being referred to as "Fontucky." If Pocono is such a boring place, then just get rid of one race there to make way for Kentucky. One family name will be proud to see Kentucky be added to the schedule- the Waltrips.

That's if I had to choose between California/Auto Club and Pocono. I actually love the California Superspeedway.
 
I say drop Fontana, Louden, either increase Pocono's banking DRAMATICLY or drop it as well. Fill those slots with a visit to Elkhart Lake, Laguna Seca and add in a street circuit. How awesome would it be to see Nascar ripping down mainstreet?

I guess I'd like to see Nascar turn into more of a touring car series, just racing on banked ovals and road/street circuits.



Oh boy a street circuit would be awesome.
 
NASCARs at Laguna would probably be pretty messy. They need to go back the Mexico City, I think.




Watkins Glen is this weekend! Pretty much the only race I really anticipate all season (that isn't to say that I don't enjoy any of the other ones, but I'm never actively waiting for them).
 
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I say drop Fontana, Louden, either increase Pocono's banking DRAMATICLY or drop it as well. Fill those slots with a visit to Elkhart Lake, Laguna Seca and add in a street circuit. How awesome would it be to see Nascar ripping down mainstreet?

I guess I'd like to see Nascar turn into more of a touring car series, just racing on banked ovals and road/street circuits.



Oh boy a street circuit would be awesome.


I think the only track that should have 2 dates is Daytona and only if they run the second one on the road course. They should than replace the open slots with road courses as it would bring the oval/road course to a fairly even number. I made a mock schedule like this awhile ago, I accidentally deleted it though.
 
Nascar can be messy on a 50 foot wide super speedway.

Google "Redbull nascar at laguna seca" short video but makes me want wayyyy more :D
 
If I had the power, I would cut several of the Sprint Cup repeat races and replace them with the following:

2nd Atlanta race goes to ORP
2nd California date goes to Rockingham
1st Pocono date goes to Kentucky
2nd Loudon race goes to Road America 👍
fall Charlotte race goes to Iowa
1st Dover race goes to Montreal 👍
 
Apparently NASCAR announced that Sadlers crash at Pocono is the hardest hit anyone has ever taken since they started using their black boxes to record the info. Really shows the safety of these new cars. 👍 for that.
 
If I had the power, I would cut several of the Sprint Cup repeat races and replace them with the following:

2nd Atlanta race goes to ORP
2nd California date goes to Rockingham
1st Pocono date goes to Kentucky
2nd Loudon race goes to Road America 👍
fall Charlotte race goes to Iowa
1st Dover race goes to Montreal 👍

Sacrifice a Charlotte race? ......No. How about Phoenix? I wouldn't consider it very high on the list of fan favorites. I went to Charlotte this year for the Coke 600 and I must say, I really loved it. Not just the track or the racing, but the overall atmosphere of the place. Maybe even more so than Bristol.
 
Sacrifice a Charlotte race? ......No. How about Phoenix? I wouldn't consider it very high on the list of fan favorites. I went to Charlotte this year for the Coke 600 and I must say, I really loved it. Not just the track or the racing, but the overall atmosphere of the place. Maybe even more so than Bristol.

I've been to several Phoenix races, and couldn't disagree more.
 
Its official: Atlanta Motor Speedway will lose a Cup date in 2011 (likely going to Kentucky).

Celebrate, foo!!!
 
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Its offcial: Atlanta Motor Speedway will lose a Cup date in 2011 (likely going to Kentucky).

Celebrate, foo!!!


Boo!!!! They should lose 2nd[SIZE=-1] Auto Club Speedway race, not 1st [/SIZE]Atlanta Motor Speedway race dates.... :grumpy:👎:yuck::ouch:
 
Boo!!!! They should lose 2nd[SIZE=-1] Auto Club Speedway race, not 1st [/SIZE]Atlanta Motor Speedway race dates.... :grumpy:👎:yuck::ouch:

Exactly where did I say the 1st Atlanta date? I only said it'll lose A date. Besides, Atlanta hasn't exactly been filling its seats as of late so it was kind of inevitible.
 
Exactly where did I say the 1st Atlanta date? I only said it'll lose A date. Besides, Atlanta hasn't exactly been filling its seats as of late so it was kind of inevitable.

Maybe I read a wrong source... Lose a date make me mad and nuts. Sorry.
 
More schedule shakeup: California Speedway will lose a race, in particuler its fall date.


Once again: Celebrate, Foo!!!
 
Carl Edwards on NSCS Watkins Glen Pole by a healthy margin. Looks like his win over Michael Schumacher at the ROC in tin tops wasn't a fluke for sure now
 
Holy $*#^! Major pile-up in the NNS race. Think Harvick described it best: "It was like a Lego pile"

Nice job Leffler 👎
 
Exactly where did I say the 1st Atlanta date? I only said it'll lose A date. Besides, Atlanta hasn't exactly been filling its seats as of late so it was kind of inevitible.

We did lose the 1st Atlanta date, the one in march. We've still got the Labor Day Weekend Date (That used to go to Darlington).

I watched most of the race past the red flag today, was pretty exciting but I was falling asleep a bit towards the finish (though that probably has more to do with staying up till 4-5 AM the night before :lol:)

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I love how Leffer tried to pin that on Braun. Yeah, Braun likes to crash stock cars as much as Mario Moraes likes to crash indycars, but it was clearly Jason's fault.
 
After watching both races this weekend, NASCAR needs to make a ruling about drivers using runoff areas as a racing surface. It's going to continue causing avoidable crashes in future races.
 
After watching both races this weekend, NASCAR needs to make a ruling about drivers using runoff areas as a racing surface. It's going to continue causing avoidable crashes in future races.

You put it there, they'll use it.

Also a shout out to Regan Smith for having a great run up until his track bar broke with a handful of laps to go. Can't catch a break it seems. :ouch:
 
That's the problem. The only thing they could do is the out-of-bounds rule like they do with Daytona and Talladega.

There were two incidents in the two races where a driver went wide out of turn 1 and upon re-entering the racing surface, collided with a car and caused a crash. Today's wasn't as massive as yesterday's but both incidents could have easily been avoided.
 
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