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KB18FAN
Yea, I just read in another thread that it is gaining in popularity there. So his claim that nobody even knows what it is is also a very ignorant statement.

EDIT: Here, I rest my case.
http://articles.submityourarticle.com/Levi-Quinn-7233/nascar-232912.php

And there are many more articles backing me up.
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Hey KB, nice to see you again! Anyway I'm still not convinced that NASCAR is bigger then F1. Judging by the last few NASCAR races they lost a lot of fans, and F1 is an international racing series unlike NASCAR with the exception of Canada. I'm a huge NASCAR fan but the races are so... Well BORING that the fans are leaving. Anyway, back to the original topic. I agree with the guy with the long post, F1 would be liked more by other country's, NASCAR not so much
 
If NASCAR had a majority of their races on circuits (sorry, road-courses), they would have a much larger fanbase outside of the states.
However, since most of the world don't get the concept of oval racing, it's not the most popular.

On-topic, NASCAR will probably not have too many tracks or cars in GT6 relative to other catagories, due to the heavy Europeans and Asian markets, but there may be more overall.
 
Well, all I can say guys, I've seen the facts and figures. Numbers don't lie. Believe what you want, statistics show otherwise.
 
I think it only depends on the capacity of stock of the cars' specifications and PD's mindset toward the next upcoming serial... If you won't have seen any of some more additional tracks or machines for nascar, it'll doubtlessly because GT6 isn't a game geared toward only Nascar(but an overall field of actual vehicles and race events)in my opinion. :rolleyes:
 
KB18FAN
EDIT: Here, I rest my case.
http://articles.submityourarticle.com/Levi-Quinn-7233/nascar-232912.php

And there are many more articles backing me up.
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So you post a link to a website where people can submit their own articles? How does that add credibility to your statement? For all we know, it could be a Nascar fan who likes to project his views on the rest of us. Either post links with credible sources, or don't post links at all. At the moment your links are not helping your cause.
 
DeadEnd
So you post a link to a website where people can submit their own articles? How does that add credibility to your statement? For all we know, it could be a Nascar fan who likes to project his views on the rest of us. Either post links with credible sources, or don't post links at all. At the moment your links are not helping your cause.
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I'm not going to sit here and post links all day that support my claim. Furthermore, I'm not going to waste anymore time argueing with people that only see what they wanna see. Take the blinders off and maybe you will see what I'm talking about. Like I said before, I like and respect all forms of racing, lets not turn this into a war pitting one form against the other. I'm going to end my part here. You can do your own research and see for yourself.
 
KB18FAN
You can do your own research and see for yourself.
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Fair enough:

KB18FAN
@ lCEMAN: NASCAR is just a niche outside the US and fans are far and few between outside the US. Two very ignorant statesments. Thats why fans go crazy and tracks are sold out in whatever country they visit. Like it or not, NASCAR is the most popular form of motorsports in the world. More so than Indy cars or anything else. Thats why drivers from other forms of motorsports jump ship to NASCAR. They know how popular it is. I don't have them handy, but I've seen the numbers and they favor NASCAR....bar far. In gaming, you may have a point but in the real world, you are dead wrong about the popularity of NASCAR.
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KB18FAN
I'm talking worldwide, not just in your little part of the world. Yes, there may be parts of the world where it may not be popular at all, but collectively, it is the most popular in the world. Don't misinterpet my words next time. I never said it was the most popular in just Europe. I said world wide. Like I said, I've read the statistics, I don't have to live there to know.
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The only ignorant statement was your reply stating that NASCAR, which ("like it or not") is primarily an American institution, was more popular than... say, Formula 1 worldwide. Nevermind the only article you put forth to support it looks like it was written for a high school newspaper and came from submityourarticle.com of all places (and that it doesn't even support your statement, because 500 million > 75 million). Nevermind that NASCAR is still coming off a 3-year period when they were hemorrhaging fans (and they still aren't sure how things are playing out over a year after they stopped sliding) while F1 was continuously getting more popular. Let's just look at the hard numbers, since that's what you want to talk about:

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Linky.

The 2010 average F1 ratings numbers from either one of the first two countries beats NASCAR figures in NASCAR's biggest market (roughly 6 million per race, Linky, albeit with NASCAR being heavily popular in the first few races in the season and a couple of highly-hyped later ones and pretty much dead everywhere else) from the same year. And Italy's population is less than a 4th that of America's, and Germany's is less than a third, so it seems that F1 in those two countries alone are considerably more popular than NASCAR is in the United States.



And unless you are going to seriously suggest that NASCAR is more popular in other countries than it is in America, it seems that your rush to criticize Iceman JP was ill-informed and your later posts on the subject criticizing people for only seeing what they wanted to see were hypocritical.
 
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A quick bout of Google Fu tells me that F1 is the second most watched sport in the world (behind soccer).

NASCAR is definitely the most popular motorsport in the US, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that it was one of the fastest-growing sports (in terms of viewership) in the world, but as others have all said, it is definitely NOT the most popular motorsport in the world.
 
I really wish they'd quit trying to include a little bit of everything - like NASCAR and karting - and invest all that time and effort into things like world-class AI and more real-world tracks.

But if they're going to do NASCAR, they could at least include Infineon and Road America, as they're awesome road courses and of course NASCAR runs races on them as well.

As far as ovals, I'd think a short track like Bristol and a mid-length track like Las Vegas would add a bit of variety, since the only two ovals in the game are super speedways.
 
Cup doesn't run Road America, Nationwide does, but PD has no Nationwide cars. I do love the track and wish they would include it though.
 
Well hello guys. Nice to see this chat still going, didnt expect that at all lol....All I'm trying to say with this chat, Like KBFAN said..Nascar is a massive sport..in America...And no matter what you guys say around the world.I think in the long run PD would would be in the right if they did add a few more tracks, We dont need a ton just enough to give this game the nascar experience. short tracks and mile and a half tracks arnt shown in this game. Sure you can create a track but its just not the same...Now i know many of you will comeback yet again with ' this is not A nascar game'..Guys I know this, Im just putting my 2 cents out there.
 
PD may in future, considering the PS4's rumoured capabilities and developer guidelines, include more NASCAR related content.

However, there are a lot of other cars/tracks/series that will probably be higher up on the list, due to the global audience as a whole being more focused on world championships (F1, GT1, WRC), series quickly gaining popularity (V8 Supercars) and series already in the game (Super GT, DTM).

NASCAR has its place, its just there are bigger demands for things that aren't already there or not up-to-date.
 
Well, after doing more research on the matter of the popularity of NASCAR vs F1, I'm gonna have to swallow my pride, man up and admit I was wrong. Its still hard for me to believe, but it is what it is. So, for what its worth, I was wrong and I apologize for putting up an invalid arguement. Guess I was the one blinded by my love for the sport of NASCAR and its heroes that have entertained me for the last 40 years. So, once again, I was wrong and I apologize. Peace.
 
I think there will be about 6 or 7 new NASCAR tracks in GT6, and Infineon Raceway will probably return to GT in Spec III (at the earliest), but as far as new cars, we still won't get the Penske Dodge cars (thanks a lot Miller Lite) at all, but 2013 renditions of the NSCS cars which could finally include the Dodge Charger but only the #43 and the #9.


As for popularity, NASCAR is actually losing some due to its excessive coverage. I'm still a fan, but I'm not gonna watch every practice session or qualifying session. It was really starting to turn into total crap because they obliterated Formula One's Friday Practice 1 and never showed Saturday Morning Practice. I love all forms of motorsport equally, but when your programming is being dominated by one sport, you will lose viewers, ratings and then money.
 
In EU its Gaining popularity. So much that SKY (newscorp to those in US) Has been out bid buy rival Sports channels.
The lower Division Nationwide Coverage is on Motors TV, a EU wide broadcast channel thats FREE to AIR, yep, set up a dish and watch for free (advert funded).
In past years that Would NEVER have been possible as advert returns Would not cover the Cost.
EU countries also built 3 OVAL tracks. Again That would not have happened with out NASCAR increase in coverage, True The German one went bust but was resold.

Nascar does not need an oval to race in GT5. They can race on any type of track.
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In GT5 You can even set it up to race on Monaco ( Online, practice and Arcade ) to copy the F1 race last weekend. ( yep still prefer the Older 24 car than the new car paint work)
 
As big a NASCAR fan as I am, I don't think it would be wise for PD to put too much emphasis on it for GT6.

It's big in the US, but I'd say that's about it. Most non-NASCAR fans seems to think it's nothing more than a bunch of non-athletic idiots going in circles. One of the dumbest, most narrow-minded comments I'll ever come across. But I'm not getting any farther into that.

The majority of the GT community is road racers, so that's the best way to go. Add a few more ovals for the sake of variety. Atlanta, Bristol, Martinsville, Darlington, and Pocono. For a game that isn't NASCAR-centered, including Daytona and Indy, I think that's fair.
 
Outeke
Not much into NASCAR, but I liked reading this thread 👍
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I'm older than most of you and I used to be a big NASCAR fan (emphasis on "used to be"). The trend has been to turn the series into a show instead of a race. I realize it's all marketing and it pulls in the money, but it has turned NASCAR into the WWE of motorsports, and that is very sad.

As far as the original question of this thread. I don't think there should be more NASCAR in GT5 or 6. I believe a lot of the problems with this game are due to it trying to be too many things. If I want to race NASCAR, F1, rally, etc., then I'll buy a game that concentrates on that style of racing. GT5 uses the "quantity over quality" approach, so nothing is really done well.
 
boshuter
I'm older than most of you and I used to be a big NASCAR fan (emphasis on "used to be"). The trend has been to turn the series into a show instead of a race. I realize it's all marketing and it pulls in the money, but it has turned NASCAR into the WWE of motorsports, and that is very sad.

As far as the original question of this thread. I don't think there should be more NASCAR in GT5 or 6. I believe a lot of the problems with this game are due to it trying to be too many things. If I want to race NASCAR, F1, rally, etc., then I'll buy a game that concentrates on that style of racing. GT5 uses the "quantity over quality" approach, so nothing is really done well.
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I liked the variety in toca race driver 3 even though its a bit old maybe pd were looking to offer the same variety even though they didn't implement it right.
 
Given the multifaceted approach to the game, it probably just depends on how many tracks are included. If they were to only add 3-4 tracks, it's unlikely that any of them would be from NASCAR. But if they add 6-7, maybe one of them would be from NASCAR. If they can add 10-12, you might get 2.

Maybe this sort of thing could be handled with DLC? Although, getting several of them might not be possible unless it could be like the flight sims where third parties can develop content.
 
As a long time Nascar and Tony Stewart fan, I'd love to have Bristol, Watkins Glen, Sears Point, Charlotte, and Chicago Speedway in the game but from my point of view, the general consensus among GT5 racers is that Nascar is the lowest form of racing. I totally disagree but I highly doubt GT6 will have more than Daytona and Indy available, if PD even puts those two tracks in the next game. Here's hoping for some more Nascar love from PD 👍
 

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