Really? They weren't that bad.It's like they hunted down 24 of the worst people in the car world.
The Viper owner was certainly an epic thunder**** - with him it basically came down to "I was bullied by the jock douches in high school, so I became one". He incessantly slagged off "sleeper" cars as worthless.Personally I only felt one person was scum and a total d-bag. He wear a shirt with a picture of himself on it to the race.
The show was shoot in the US not UK. The trash talking and belittling is very common in drag racing in the US.I'm not saying that the people were good but they weren't the " worst people in the car world" they all seemed like your typical racer you find at the drag stripe or typical supercar owner.It's a dreadful advertisement for drag culture - go to a drag meet in the UK and the teams respect each other and, if the car goes pop or they need a bit to get to the end of the track, they help each other out. Most of these assplanks just wanted to denigrate each other.
Yeah, I got that from watching it. There were subtle clues.The show was shoot in the US not UK.
And literally all of this is an explanation of why they all came across as absolutely horrible people - which was rather the point I made - rather than a rebuttal that they were "not that bad".The trash talking and belittling is very common in drag racing in the US.I'm not saying that the people were good but they weren't the " worst people in the car world" they all seemed like your typical racer you find at the drag stripe or typical supercar owner.
The most important thing its a reality tv show. Its going to have drama and people being idiots. And cause is a tv show it could be scripted and staged to make something more entertaining or edited to charge perspective of an event in the show.
The show made it as both "sleeper" and supercar owners were narrow minded. All "sleeper" owners had a minded set that supercar owners were rich a-holes who brought their cars and don't know how to drive them. And their "sleeper" car ( they kept calling thier cars sleepers, it made the word cliche. It made seem they were forced them to use the word) were better/faster then any supercar cause their cars were "built not bought". The supercar owners had mindset that cause their cars were expensive, it was fast and no ******* sleeper could be fast.
... although four of them actually came across well - and it's:like they hunted down 24 of the worst people in the car world
... if it's all like that.a dreadful advertisement for drag culture
Have you ever been to amateur drag race at a track or a street drag race in the US? I have. And people trash talk their opponent about their car and about the person. The people get into arguments about the race which can lead to fights in which someone gets hurt or killed.If it's the culture of organised drag racing in the USA to ****talk and insult each other then that's the culture. I seriously doubt it -
His name was Robinson not JohnsonFabian Arroyo in the Oldsmobile Cutlass talking about Big Willie Johnson and Brotherhood Raceway, a venue intended to get young black men in LA away from gang violence and into drag racing while imbuing a spirit of... brotherhood
Are you kidding me? It was a joke.one of the "sleeper" owners said to Leo Getz "After the race will you have to change your license plate to "LOSING"?" - we're talking straight up douchebaggery
Then US amateur drag racing has a serious problem.Have you ever been to amateur drag race at a track or a street drag race in the US? I have. And people trash talk their opponent about their car and about the person. The people get into arguments about the race which can lead to fights in which someone gets hurt or killed.
a dreadful advertisement for drag culture
You missed the whole "brotherhood" thing then. What's brotherly about "fights in which someone gets hurt or killed"?His name was Robinson not Johnson
What does getting young men away from gangs/gang violences have to do with trash talking your opponent? Fabian says that people trash talk his car and then they race.
Yes, it was actual trash talk. That's why I said, before it, in the bit you ignored and cut out of the post:Are you kidding me? It was a joke.
It was a funny put-down that made everyone, including the target, laugh. Trash-talk.And we're not talking trash-talk - there was one instance of trash-talk in the entire series, where
Nope. I've been over this.I'm confused how does one saying that thier car is fast and can beat other cars in a drag race make them a bad person, cause that is the main reason you are saying the worst people?
The Viper owner was certainly an epic thunder**** - with him it basically came down to "I was bullied by the jock douches in high school, so I became one". He incessantly slagged off "sleeper" cars as worthless.
But then what about the real-life Leo Getz in the chrome Aventador? What an absolute nozzle. "WINNING" on his plate, can't wear mandatory safety gear becauseof his jewelleryhe said he couldn't operate the launch control with gloves (wtf?). Or the Gilbert Gottfried-a-like in the van who, as soon as he got his helmet on became a colossal tool, effing and blinding at everyone because he cocked up his burnout, then did another one he wasn't allowed to do - which resulted in the albino "entrepreneur" bro in the McLaren, who actually said OUT LOUD in the clips "I don't think being monogamous for me, particularly, is the right move, because I want the ability to go wherever I want, do whatever I want and date whoever I want. If I'm in a monogamous relationship I don't feel I could do that.", doing another 'burnout' (for no reason) and then the truck owner's engine blew.
And Gottfried and albinobro weren't even the worst people in that episode. That went to the truck owner who strongly implied he'd shoot Gottfried for his antics if they were street racing, then yelled "I don't give a 🤬 I'm repping Detroit" in his face. Then said they should both throw down and settle it in a race-off right that second, forgetting his engine had just blown. Literally only the laid back guy in the Grand National came out of that episode with any credibility.
And diesel bro. And yet, in the same episode as diesel bro, it was the wannabe Ed Begley Junior with the electric Datsun who was the unbelievable hyper**** - whapping on about how he's a pioneer and inspired Tesla, and moaning about petrol cars, and saying rotary is "like petrol tried to do electric" and bellyaching about dieselbro "causing more pollution than all the other cars here"... and then crashing into a gorgeous, factory stock (externally) RX-3 and writing it off. Or "I hope it's red and I hope it's a female" guy in the Impala.
I can think of about four people in the entire series (Huracan boy, who wasn't even driving his own car; Ferrari woman; Batgirl; Grand National man) who weren't constantly ****-talking their rivals, or sleepers (they're cheap beaters you can't pull girls with), or all supercar owners (they just bought it because they're rich/want a toy and don't really know anything about cars), or saying they always win, winning is what they do, losing's not an option, blah, blah, blah. Even the kid in the wheelchair - whose truck I really liked - was talking crap about the money thrown at that girl's truck, and the Huracan kid who was just happy to be there and had done four drag races ever. In fact the kid in the Huracan seemed genuinely interested in the other people's cars (as an automotive photographer, he would be), but because he was a kid in a Huracan they just wouldn't give him the time of day. Humility left at the door, no team spirit, no camaraderie.
See anything about anyone saying their car is fast and can beat others in there? I don't.we're talking straight up douchebaggery. Like the monogamy comment, like the "I hope it's a female", like the guy who rolled the (broken) Supra off the trailer and the Buick asshat assumed he was trying psychological trickery by not starting it and called him a "****ing asshole" for it, like the guy who said he'd shoot the other guy, like the other guy abusing the officials because he couldn't do a burnout properly, like the Viper owner and everything he said and did, or Leo Getz and his refusal to wear mandatory safety gear and then nearly running over the official and showing zero contrition for it...
Really?Behind the camera the producer is asking the questions about their life and car. They ask them how their car will do against the sleepers or supercar, how do they answer that without sounding like a-hole in option?
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/03/03/yonkers-baseball-player-shooting-suspects-in-court/Not that I believe it's like that
Not all US drag racers fellow the Brotherhood of Street racing rulesgiven the example of Brotherhood Raceway and how much the UK's drag culture borrows from the USA's
Again not everyone in the US drag racing fellows the BrotherhoodYou missed the whole "brotherhood" thing then. What's brotherly about "fights in which someone gets hurt or killed"?
Same as you do. I said people argue at US drag race and it can lead to a fight and you ignore the word can and talk about UK drag racing and the Brotherhood racing.bit you ignored
What? You said you didn't like people cause they were **** talking their opponentsNope
I can think of about four people in the entire series (Huracan boy, who wasn't even driving his own car; Ferrari woman; Batgirl; Grand National man) who weren't constantly ****-talking their rivals, or sleepers (they're cheap beaters you can't pull girls with), or all supercar owners (they just bought it because they're rich/want a toy and don't really know anything about cars), or saying they always win, winning is what they do, losing's not an option, blah, blah, blah.
Edit: if the show was shot in a different country the way the people acted would have been different.
You are making a minuscule comment seem like its worst thing the person could say. Like the Impala guy saying the Ferrari driver was a woman, you make it seem as he said that she was a 🤬🤬🤬.
Oh, hey, a fight in which someone got killed broke out in New York in 2016 after an illegal drag race. That must be US drag racing culture.
Pity, as that seems to be the basis of UK drag culture too. Race, have fun, help each other out, get better.Not all US drag racers fellow the Brotherhood of Street racing rules
You literally cut out an inconvenient chunk of my post where I said that the one example of actual trash-talking was the bit about the LOSING plate and pretended I hadn't said that so you could act like I hadn't and say I obviously didn't get the joke - despite pointing it out as a joke in the bit of text you cut out... I've responded fully to your posts and you're now pretending I haven't.Same as you do.
Not really. I pointed out that the Brotherhood is very similar to my experiences of UK drag racing culture, and I find it remarkable that you'd suggest US drag culture is more about nasty douchebaggery, given that the Brotherhood - which isn't - is part of US drag culture.I said people argue at US drag race and it can lead to a fight and you ignore the word can and talk about UK drag racing and the Brotherhood racing.
Not really. I pointed out that you can't be made to look like a hoop if you don't act like one:Or before when I said a reality tv show and it could scripted, staged or edited and you ignored part about it being scipted or staged and said it couldn't be edited to make them say something they didn't say or do.
If it's staged, it's not reality. If it's scripted, it's not reality. If it's edited, it's reality from a certain point of view and a chronological ignorance.Yes, it's the nature of "reality" TV shows to edit things to make them look more dramatic, or tense, or add an undercurrent of tension, but the fact is that no amount of editing can make you look like you said something horrible if you don't say horrible things.
Which is a completely different concept from "saying that thier car is fast and can beat other cars in a drag race" (sic).What? You said you didn't like people cause they were **** talking their opponents
You saw the bit in-between the two burnouts, right? When he started literally screaming at his buddy with the bucket, the officials and yelling "THIS IS :censored:ING BULL 🤬!". He messed up, suddenly it's everyone's fault but his.The van guy messing up his 1st burn out and put water down at the start, he made a mistake and is idiot for put water down in the wrong spot and doing 2nd burnout how does this make him a bad person?
Well... he did apologise when he said "Did I almost mow you down? I'm sorry.", but the fact that he launched his car with a human being in front of him is what - in that specific instance - makes him an asshole. Rule one of any racing is "Listen to what the officials tell you", and if the driver briefing didn't include "By the way, if I'm in front of you please don't drive at me" I'd be very surprised.The Lambo guy for jumping and not wearing gloves, his in idiot for not wearing gloves and he apologized to the guy for jumping and almost running him over how does that make a bad person?
You know the bit where he brought guns into a disagreement? That.The GMC guy for arguing cause his truck broken down when waiting, I said arguments in US drag racing how does this make bad person?
Not in isolation. Together with the comments about inspiring Tesla, being a pioneer, how rotary is petrol's attempt to copy electric, the smug snidey manner in which he said all of these things ("Ugh, that represents everything I hate in vehicles that pollute too much"), and then the bit where he crashed twice into the RX-2 (as Abel said, "He's been racing that car for a long time, he should have known. It happened for someone being irresponsible.") and in the immediate aftermath deflected onto anything and everything. He got out of the car and threw his hands up in the universal "What was that?" gesture.The guy with electric Datsun, the comment his car inspired Tesla was stuipd. He made a comment about diesel truck polluting he's an environmentalist so that makes him a bad person?
Nope. I said that he was talking crap about how much money was thrown at the truck ("Hey, it's Maloof. It's Hot Rod Hannah. You know those people? Super rich. Let the ****-talking begin") AND because of how they all treated the Huracan driver. Not that the Huracan driver should even have been there - it's not his car.Then you say guy in rat rod Dodge truck is a bad cause he said the girl in the truck was rich
The first words she said in the episode were "There's no other car like this car. I mean, the performance is unbelievable.". The first words of her to-camera interview were "Lamborghini was always on my bucket list. I remember having a poster I think it was a Countach - the white one that most car people had in their room - and I put it on the refrigerator as a goal, like 'This is what I want to get'."but then batgirl is good the first words out of her mouth was money.
She didn't say her car was better because it was worth a lot of money. She did say "it makes me pretty nervous because I'm pretty sure my car is worth more than their house", but that's hardly unreasonable either (especially for a realtor). It's worth more than mine.She said her car was better cause it was worth alot of money, her car was worth more money then the houses of the sleeper owners and then she won the race if she could crush the sleeper car.
Not really. Aside from the fact that ****-talking someone else because they have money is a very, very different thing from saying you made a lot of money and bought an expensive car you always wanted, they're almost all assholes.You say one person an a-hole for doing/saying something and other person is not.
Have you ever been to amateur drag race at a track or a street drag race in the US? I have. And people trash talk their opponent about their car and about the person. The people get into arguments about the race which can lead to fights in which someone gets hurt or killed.
Of the few that I've been to with my brother, there was little interaction in general. People just lined up against whatever was next to them, and took off. Outside of that, its just a bunch of people doing something in common, so while there are jabs like you said, nothing is overly serious.Granted I've only been to Brainerd here in Minnesota, but I've never seen anything more than friendly ribbing during drag nights (in fact, starting crap will likely get you banned). What you're saying seems to say more about the area than the actual activity.
I trying to show you it happens. What do you think the guy in the GMC meant by street racing and getting shot?Oh, hey, a fight in which someone got killed broke out in New York in 2016 after an illegal drag race. That must be US drag racing culture.
I guess killing children must be US gun culture. Oh wait, no, that's moronic.
Someone else experiences in UK drag racing could be different and if the show was shot in the UK it could be different then what you experienced in drag racingmy experiences of UK drag racing
Welcome to the world of reality tv, some of it is fake and some of it is edited to change the point of way of a situation.If it's staged, it's not reality. If it's scripted, it's not reality. If it's edited, it's reality from a certain point of view and a chronological ignorance.
@FamineThe whole episode was trashy and the entire time I was like "yup, that's racing culture in Michigan".
This what I been saying the show was bad and its just your typical US drag racing culture.
But you charged it to they are bad and worst people in drag racing scene cause they weren't like the people in your experience in UK drag racing.
And, either way, it seems that you're not getting much support for your notion that this is normal US drag racing culture...But you're missing the point rather wildly that if the show actually is how US drag racers behave, it's a terrible advert for US drag racing. And if it isn't, it's a terrible advert for US drag racing.
I wouldn't say "no-one", but I've never seen any bitterness, spite or bad blood. I've seen rivals lend each other parts and an actual helping hand to get both cars on the strip. The competition is friendly and lasts for however long it takes to get 1,320ft away. That's probably because in drag racing your only opponents are your car and the stopwatch - you're not dicing for track position with anyone and you're not affected by anything the other driver does. Unless they lose control and hit you.You are acting as if in UK drag racing no one **** talks, no one is a idiot, no one makes mistakes and no one gets in to an accident.