New AE86?

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Is there anyone who could roughly translate what's stated in here?
It doesn't come from a particularly reputable website ( /o/ ) but I reckon it looks legit...

Still looking for any sources on the interweb but really have no clue where to start.

So, what do we think, GTP?
 
Whoa, a Toyota that doesn't look boring. Im still a little skeptical but I think it has legitimacy. It looks like what the next-gen Celica should have been.

👍 In my book, especially if it proves to be true.

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However, on further examination...look at the small size of the front and rear disc brakes. Also, those wheels don't look like they would be a stock option. Unless those are ultra-lite wheels, I might have to take back my assumption.
 
I'll see it when I believe it, just as I have said in every other "AE86 is Back!" thread. Toyota just doesn't seem to want to be in the position of building sporty cars again, although, based on the styling of this vehicle, it looks slated to be a Scion/Dihatsu.
 
I'd say that's a RWD Scion TC if anything. :sly:
I wouldn't be suprised if Toyota really goes through with this sort of concept. With Toyota's efforts relating to NASCAR (American motorsports) it seems natural to bring a 21st century RWD Toyota to the market.
That's not to say I absolutely believe this sort of concept will go into production but I wouldn't be suprised if it did. :D
 
120 Hp and 14.8 N-m of Torque from a 1.5 liter engine, with a 1000 kg weight.

I remember reading about this and they want to try to get it to market for under 15 grand USD or something crazy. They are going to need a little more power I think though, but would still be fun even with those specs.

But that concept is a couple months old...
 
That car is boring as hell. It has none of the character of the 86. Looks more like a 101. If Toyota would pull a Ford/Chevy/Dodge and go retro, that would be awesome. They might even be able to use it in the new Busch series.
 
I have to say, I don't think Toyota can do it. But not because its Toyota, mind you. But because of what the AE86 was: A very lightweight, communicative car. At a time where the lightest Honda Civic is 1200 kilograms, I don't think any company can pull off "light weight" and "sporty" on the cheap any more.
 
Toronado
I have to say, I don't think Toyota can do it. But not because its Toyota, mind you. But because of what the AE86 was: A very lightweight, communicative car. At a time where the lightest Honda Civic is 1200 kilograms, I don't think any company can pull off "light weight" and "sporty" on the cheap any more.
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I agree about the Toyota portion of your post. However, I take issue with the bold. I think these qualify as "light weight" and "sporty".

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And lastly...my personal NEW favorite:

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The one that Tom Ford reviewed in last weeks Fifth Gear was brilliant. I want a 500 now...and I'm not talking about the Ford.
 
And quite a few of them are RWD, yes? Two of them weigh about a quarter of a ton more than the old AE86s, and the one that doesn't is anemic when it does have a similar weight. I understand that those are all very fun cars, but I have personally driven one of my friends' AE86s. And it was one of the most connected-to-the-road cars I have ever driven, most of which most likely being due to its nonexistent weight, the rest of it probably being because it was RWD and was that light.
 
How much do you think US spec Corolla GT-S's weighed Toronado? Because they are about 2200, 2300 pounds. They were about as much weight wise as the Mk1 MR2... which were between 2300 and 2450 from the solid top to t-top models.
 
Toronado
And quite a few of them are RWD, yes? Two of them weigh about a quarter of a ton more than the old AE86s, and the one that doesn't is anemic when it does have a similar weight.
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You said "lightweight" and "sporty", you didn't say "RWD". And these vehicles weigh less than 2500lbs, by today's standards with all of that extra safety crap that's lightweight in my book. And according to reviews the 500 (for which I'll assume you refer to as "anemic") actually performs very well on the road and is quite "chuckable" and "nippy". Look at the new Mini, that right there proves that you don't need to have RWD in a small car to have a fantastic fun car that handles like its on rails. And the new Mini has a curb weight of about 2700lbs--though you'd never know it by how it behaves itself on the road.
 
Toronado
And quite a few of them are RWD, yes? Two of them weigh about a quarter of a ton more than the old AE86s, and the one that doesn't is anemic when it does have a similar weight. I understand that those are all very fun cars, but I have personally driven one of my friends' AE86s. And it was one of the most connected-to-the-road cars I have ever driven, most of which most likely being due to its nonexistent weight, the rest of it probably being because it was RWD and was that light.
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Keep in mind that cars in general have increased in weight. I wouldn't be surprised if a modern-day AE86 true to the formula weighed significantly more than the original. And suspension tuning can really make a car a great drive. Not saying we shouldn't add lightness wherever possible, but it is much easier to go without it than it used to be.

JCE3000GT
You said "lightweight" and "sporty", you didn't say "RWD". And these vehicles weigh less than 2500lbs, by today's standards with all of that extra safety crap that's lightweight in my book. And according to reviews the 500 (for which I'll assume you refer to as "anemic") actually performs very well on the road and is quite "chuckable" and "nippy". Look at the new Mini, that right there proves that you don't need to have RWD in a small car to have a fantastic fun car that handles like its on rails. And the new Mini has a curb weight of about 2700lbs--though you'd never know it by how it behaves itself on the road.
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The GTI feels amazingly well connected to the road and a great drive - at 3300 lbs. I'm sure there are many cars that are significantly heavier that can provide the handling Toronado is looking for.
 
The first thing that popped into my mind when I saw that was how much it looks like the Euro Honda Civic, dont know why just did:confused:
 
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The first thing that popped into my mind when I saw that was how much it looks like the Euro Honda Civic, dont know why just did:confused:
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Probably the way the windshield is so flat and the hood so steep that they are almost in a line is a part of that.
 
Omnis
That car is boring as hell. It has none of the character of the 86. Looks more like a 101. If Toyota would pull a Ford/Chevy/Dodge and go retro, that would be awesome. They might even be able to use it in the new Busch series.
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I really like that idea. Toyota could then come out with a new sporty car and not have to risk losing or causing disgrace to what the original 86 was. Anyways, the car to me looks like a mix of Toyota's car out now, maybe a blend between the Solara, Corolla, and Camry. It doesn't look like a RWD should either, at first glance it seems more like a FWD Sport Compact and nothing else.
 
JCE3000GT
And according to reviews the 500 (for which I'll assume you refer to as "anemic") actually performs very well on the road and is quite "chuckable" and "nippy".
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I was referring to the 1.2L engine model, which is pretty much the same weight as the AE86 was.
JCE3000GT
And the new Mini has a curb weight of about 2700lbs--though you'd never know it by how it behaves itself on the road.
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Rock hard suspension and painfully low profile tires will do that to many cars.
JCE3000GT
Look at the new Mini, that right there proves that you don't need to have RWD in a small car to have a fantastic fun car that handles like its on rails.
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And if Toyota even thinks about making a "reborn AE86" FWD, fanboys will burn down the Toyota HQ. I'm not saying FWD cars can't be amazing driving machines (indeed, I have driven an Geo Storm, Honda Prelude and Toyota Celica, and dad has a Neon ACR). From what I've read, the E100 Levins were pretty good handling cars as well. But this "Neo-AE86" will need to be RWD.
philly cheese
Keep in mind that cars in general have increased in weight.
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I understand that. That was my point.
 
Toy-yo-ba-WHAT?

*mixed feelings*

And why the 1.5? Can't they stuff something bigger in there? I mean, If it can't keep up with a Civic Si or Mini Cooper, forget it...
 
Kent
I'd say that's a RWD Scion TC if anything. :sly:
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Agreed. Toyota will probably market this as a Scion if anything to the American people.
 
I think Toyota could have found a better company to get a rear drive platform than Subaru. Most of us don't really see scoobies as having some exceptional rear drive underpinnings. And an AWD platform doing rear-drive duty? Not feeling it.:indiff:

Putting a 2.0L turbo block under the hood would be a good move too. At least in a sport model of some kind. 200 hp plus 1100kg=lots of fun.

As of right now, I'm kinda meh on it. It seems like a great idea, but I will need to be convinced that it has been carried out correctly. And hopefully Toyota will step it up a bit because I would like to see this car before I die.
 
All of you are complaining about engine size and such. The thing is, they want to sell this for under 16 grand or something like that. Which means its not gonna have an amazing engine, etc. Perhaps higher trim models will be available, but they are focused on cutting costs and weight =/
 
Azuremen
All of you are complaining about engine size and such. The thing is, they want to sell this for under 16 grand or something like that. Which means its not gonna have an amazing engine, etc. Perhaps higher trim models will be available, but they are focused on cutting costs and weight =/
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+1 Seriously, the size of the engine shouldn't be an issue. The chassis and suspension will speak worlds on how this car will be. And what's to stop Toyota from putting a small turbo on the smaller displacement engine variants? Hell, a 3cyl Smart has forced induction for christ sakes. And even if they don't go forced unduction--small slow cars can still be great fun. *cough*Focus-Miata-Gen3MR2-Corolla*cough*
 
On top of that... I'd rather have feedback in a car. I got up to 90 mph in my sis's tC and didn't even know it. Makes me really hate the idea of giving up my 18 yr old car to these boring "modern" cars.
 
I can't read a lot of it, but price is listed at 150man en, or 1.5million yen, which comes out to around 13-14k USD. The headline reads something along the lines of "1.5 MILLION YEN TOYOTA FR SPORTS!!!" I can't read kanji yet...

Word has it that the car will be using the same powerplant as the Yaris (?), and make something like 112HP, RWD. It's supposed to weigh under 2400lb, but I personally think it needs more power, as this setup will make it heavier and less powerful than the ORIGINAL AE86. My strong suspicion is that this is because it's the only engine Toyota currently has that'll fit the requirements of light weight and small size, while passing current US emissions. (They've also got the tooling for it in operation, using something like the Celica's motor would require rebuilding the assembly line for that block, and I'm not sure it'd pass the newest CA emissions.)

My hope, and it wouldn't surprise me if this is true, is that while Toyota is going to use a motor from the same family as the Yaris, etc, which has been stated, they'll give us a retuned version, making more power with higher revs.
 
but the thing is that they could use engines from both manufacturers. 1.5 from subaru for base model, and 1.5 turbo from Yaris RS turbo with 150bhp etc, or just go for the new 138bhp 1.8l of the new Yaris T-Sport model.
 
Re: the weight discussion on the previous page...

If modern Toyota can build a 1.8L convertible that weighs 2200lbs., why would they be unable to build a 1.5L coupe that weighs about the same, or at least less than 2400lbs.?
 
Wolfe
If modern Toyota can build a 1.8L convertible that weighs 2200lbs., why would they be unable to build a 1.5L coupe that weighs about the same, or at least less than 2400lbs.?
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Because the MR2 was MR, which means less parts. And besides, the MR2 was designed nearly a decade ago. The fact that it was sold until quite recently doesn't mean it would be the same if it was designed quite recently.
 
Well, 1.5 million yen is less than $13,000 USD, so that could be part of it. I mean, consider how much a tC costs, or a Yaris, or the old MR-S, etc. Its absurdly cheap...

And on the matter of weight, Wolfe, adding a back seat, drive shaft, and other bits and pieces, regardless of what you may try, adds weight. And the MR-S was designed nearly a decade ago, so you need to consider that.
 

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