New AE86?

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turbo lag
Did that say 2NZ-FE? Oh jeez. Yaris powered.
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I'm sure they would tune the engine to offer more power and better performance. It would still have the Yaris block but Toyota has the brains to make it more suitable for this car. And I'm sure there will be some tuning company out there that will shove a couple turbos bigger than the engine under there.
 
philly cheese
I'm sure they would tune the engine to offer more power and better performance. It would still have the Yaris block but Toyota has the brains to make it more suitable for this car. And I'm sure there will be some tuning company out there that will shove a couple turbos bigger than the engine under there.
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Yep true. Hopefully. But even if it is given a turbo, its still yaris powered :indiff:
 
turbo lag
Yep true. Hopefully. But even if it is given a turbo, its still yaris powered :indiff:
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The Elise is Corolla/Celica powered. The other cars the block comes from is not as important as the engine itself. Engine sharing is very common. You don't design three separate engines every time you design a car.
 
turbo lag
Yep true. Hopefully. But even if it is given a turbo, its still yaris powered :indiff:
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Yes, and they aim to sell it for about as much as a Yaris as well, just RWD. Fancier engines mean fancier prices.

I've read the drive train is a bit of the issue for power, which means some upgrading is going to be needed before you jam boost in that poor engine. Though, I do wonder about the engine mounts and such, thinking a 4e-fte might match up, but I am probably just crazy...

And what motor was in the turbo Yaris?
 
Jim Prower
Toy-yo-ba-WHAT?

*mixed feelings*

And why the 1.5? Can't they stuff something bigger in there? I mean, If it can't keep up with a Civic Si or Mini Cooper, forget it...
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Missed quite a few pages of discussion, but I feel that the above sentiment sums up the issues some people have with the proposed car quite succinctly.

Simply put, the original Trueno wasn't quite a rocket in a straight line. It was built as a simple, cheap, lightweight sports car. As such, it had a 1.6 liter engine that, though powerful for its time, can't quite get the Trueno to outrun your garden variety Civic Si.

I believe Toyota can meet the weight target, the MX-5 hits just above 1100 kgs, and it's got a much bigger engine.

The 1.5 liter engine in the Yaris is pretty good for its class. It's got decent torque and upper range pep, and is one of the best 1.5s on the market at the moment (the other being Honda's new L-series VTEC in the Fit).

Retuned for use in a modern "Trueno" with some exhaust and cam work, they could probably get 120 (it's reported that Honda is targetting this output for the second generation Fit) to 135 hp out of the small plant. It'll be weedy, yes, and probably gutless at low revs... but that's not what the Trueno is about... it's about being an affordable sports car for the masses.

Besides... the 1.8 fits in the Yaris... it's a fair bet it'll fit in the upcoming Trueno, too. :D

Like it or not... the next "Trueno" will not be a "bigger, better, more powerful, more technological, more expensive" exercise in the same vein as the ridiculous power war going on between the Germans and the Americans.

It'll be about the driving experience, period. Much like the original (and to some extent, the current) Miata.

Toyota may not be the company that comes to mind when you say "driving experience", but they understood it, for a time... hopefully, they can recapture that again.
 
Toronado
Because the MR2 was MR, which means less parts. And besides, the MR2 was designed nearly a decade ago. The fact that it was sold until quite recently doesn't mean it would be the same if it was designed quite recently.
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MR means less parts, but convertible means more weight. And the MR-S is no less refined, solid, safe, or stiff than any of Toyota's '08 lineup of small cars.
 
I could swear I've posted in a thread just like this one. Maybe even the same article, as that article also headlined 150man(I consider it $15,000).

I've always wished for hatchback Miata, I'd settle for this. :D I'm not too concerned about the horsepower either, as long as it got good fuel economy in return.
 
Wolfe
MR means less parts, but convertible means more weight. And the MR-S is no less refined, solid, safe, or stiff than any of Toyota's '08 lineup of small cars.
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The more weight rule generally only applies to cars that are normally sold as hard tops that they have chopped off. The MR-S weighed under 2200 lbs, and they aim to do about the same with this.
 
Note... the MR-S had a bigger engine.

The only added weight to this car versus the MR-S is the driveshaft... and it should be much stiffer while not weighing much more... despite the fact that the MR-S is designed as a soft-top, it still needs added reinforcement, which still adds weight.
 
niky
Note... the MR-S had a bigger engine.

The only added weight to this car versus the MR-S is the driveshaft... and it should be much stiffer while not weighing much more... despite the fact that the MR-S is designed as a soft-top, it still needs added reinforcement, which still adds weight.
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And note, this car is made 8 years later and sells for almost half as much, planned.

Its like saying "why can't an Elise cost 20 grand?" Because there are certain costs involved with various manufacturing processes and such.
 
Scion rD

I would love a RWD Yaris, actually.

Little gas sipping engine that won't mind if you wring it's neck in a light body, sounds fun to me.

I'm interested.
 
Azuremen
And note, this car is made 8 years later and sells for almost half as much, planned.

Its like saying "why can't an Elise cost 20 grand?" Because there are certain costs involved with various manufacturing processes and such.
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But, you pay a $25,000.00 premium for a Lotus badge and a $25.00 premium for a Toyota badge.
 
Actually, the Toyota premium is more like $1,000 versus the Koreans... ;)

It'll be fun to see this happen. The Mazda MX-5 has been, for the longest time, the most basic of sportscars, but still a little too upmarket for most... if Toyota can bring this car down to Fit or Yaris level pricing, that'll open up sportscar ownership to a group of people who'd otherwise be stuck with something else.

Only, please, dear Lord, let them put an actual steering rack in this thing and not some electric piece of crap... :lol:
 
JCE3000GT
But, you pay a $25,000.00 premium for a Lotus badge and a $25.00 premium for a Toyota badge.
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Well, I think most of it is the all aluminum frame and hand finished fiberglass body, just maybe on the Elise. Where as the MR-S was normal steels and such for construction, with a cheaper engine, transmission, and suspension components.

Other things to note about the AE86 and this current coupe idea...

The AE86, after inflation and such, is more like $18,000 USD in today's dollars. It also had a solid rear axle, which cut costs, and its frame was wet noodle like. I've driven them, ridden in them, and well, the Mk1 MR2 is so much better its funny.

But we will see the final product, if it even exists, at some point. And then we can debate more and more on whether its worth buying, etc. Given the current info, I see it being an awesome autocross platform and fun daily driver, given that it will be light and have some 40 MPG fuel economy.
 
(Front of Paseo) + (Rear of Gen 7 Celica) + (Roofline of Astra [for some reason]) + (Engine of Yaris) = Bland.
 
Front of a Paseo?

The car actually looks like a mutilated Honda Fit. The concept idea seems adequate, but the styling does not capture the 80s Trueno in any way. It doesn't even resemble the AE85 Levin! What I wouldn't give for some extra weight in pop-up headlights! The car is visually too tall, and lacks the crispness of the old design. The family resemblance should be saved for the Camry.
 
superberkut
Front of a Paseo?

The car actually looks like a mutilated Honda Fit. The concept idea seems adequate, but the styling does not capture the 80s Trueno in any way. It doesn't even resemble the AE85 Levin! What I wouldn't give for some extra weight in pop-up headlights! The car is visually too tall, and lacks the crispness of the old design. The family resemblance should be saved for the Camry.
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You mean AE86 Levin :p Or AE85, either were both Levins or Truenos.

Its not suppose to resemble it, people just associate small FR Toyota with the AE86... I doubt Toyota officially related it to the AE86 at any point.
 
Azuremen
You mean AE86 Levin :p Or AE85, either were both Levins or Truenos.

Its not suppose to resemble it, people just associate small FR Toyota with the AE86... I doubt Toyota officially related it to the AE86 at any point.
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Really? I never knew that. Cool.

And, that's an awful association then. The 1955 Corona was rear-wheel drive and somewhat small...

But then, I personally favoured the Trueno's styling, so it's just my inner self talking...
 
Rear drive? Toyota? Classic design?

No duh... the Corolla Sprinter it is:
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Seriously... the 80's was the absolute nadir for car styling, but everytime somebody says "rear-drive Toyota!", people get misty eyed over box-shaped pop-up headlighted Japanese goodness...

I mean, seriously...
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One of these things is not like the others...

One of these things just doesn't belong...

Can you guess which thing is not like the others...

Before I finish this song....

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Please, let's not bring back the 80's? I mean, the goodness of the Trueno has always been:

1. Cheap.

2. Light.

3. Rear wheel drive.

Not:

1. Stylish. (depends on who you ask)

2. Classy. (uh... it was cheap!)

3. Unique. (see pictures above...)
 
niky
Moderator edit of every single damn photo niky posted

One of these things is not like the others...

One of these things just doesn't belong...

Can you guess which thing is not like the others...

Before I finish this song....
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Dude that NX is soooo rear-wheel drive.
 
Is it weird that I always prefered the Levin notchback to the Trueno fastback? Oh, and didn't most of those cars have power and torque, whereas the Sprinter had niether (to guess which one isn't like the others)?
 
And I'm still a Celica-Supra guy... I'm kinda mad I didn't just scrape that money together and buy that one two years ago. The rust shouldn't have scared me!
 
Well, actually, Keef nailed the mechanical differences on the head a post or two ago. ;)

Personally, I like the S12, but that's only because we had one for a brief while. Nice car... but the digital dash was a bit too "80's" for me. :lol:

The whole point is: there were a ton of great sports cars in the 80's... but none of them were noted for originality in terms of looks... the Trueno wasn't the only "pop-up-headlight-boxy-sports-hatch" in the Universe... and it would be pointless to ask for Toyota to make a slavishly retro vehicle when the original wasn't very... errh... original, anyway.

Make it new. Make it unique. But please, oh Lord, don't make it look like the Spawn of Scion.

But I don't believe the actual car would look like that... I hope...
 
I don't know what you're talking about with '80s styling, niky. That photo-filled post of yours has the highest concentration of awesome that I've seen on GTP in a while. 👍

I understand your point about originality completely, though. Here's a little compilation I made months ago.
 
Don't get me wrong... I love most of those cars. I actually stop and double-take every time I see an Impulse (they're rare here), I was seriously eyeing a Celica Supra in a used car lot, and we did have an S12 at one time... drove nicely, SR20 swap, Advan A032R rubber, good car, that...

But the distinction of these cars lies in performance and driving satsfaction... not the looks. That's what I wanted to point out.

Pop-up headlights? Everyone was doing it. Angular body lines? Everyone was doing it. What's so special about making a car look like that?

I love designs like the concept Camaro and the Mini... they're not slavish reproductions, but they convey the spirit of the original quite nicely. I doubt Toyota would go that way, if they built a new cheap rear-driver.

Pop-up headlamps are kinda neat, but they're expensive and heavy and soooo 1989. And without those, the whole "AE86" look thing just falls apart.
 

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