New Bond Film - "Spectre" - October / November 2015

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sems4arsenal
Valid points @prisonermonkeys still feel let down by it, I'm interested in where you'd rank it in the Craig Bond film movies.
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I would say it's about level with Casino Royale. I think the ultimate verdict will depend on Bond 25, because I felt that a large part of the film was sleight-of-hand, setting up the next chapter.
 
prisonermonkeys
I would say it's about level with Casino Royale. I think the ultimate verdict will depend on Bond 25, because I felt that a large part of the film was sleight-of-hand, setting up the next chapter.
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Felt the same about it being a set up for something grander. Also forgot to mention but man the theme song was a letdown.
 
Tbh, i feel like the theme song isn't as bad as i would imagine. But for a great Bond movie, the theme song isn't just good enough.
 
MatskiMonk
Bizarrely, I've not heard it yet... but can it really be worse than Die Another Day?
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Yes - because at least Madonna tried something different. Sam Smith's song sounds like an X Factor b-side where the contestants try to ape Shirley Bassey. It's supposedly about Bond opening up and showing a sensitive side, and starts moments after he kicks a guy out of a helicopter. Even Daniel Kleinmann knew it was a dud, since the title sequence is full of semi-nude women wrapped up in octopus tentacles.
 
Chameleon9000
Hmmm... What did you think of the skyfall theme then?
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It was fine. Sure, Adele does her best Bassey impersonation, but she has what it takes to pull it off. And where Smith tries to be profound (only to faceplant), Adele's theme is irreverent enough to fit the vibe of the old-school films.
 
prisonermonkeys
It was fine. Sure, Adele does her best Bassey impersonation, but she has what it takes to pull it off. And where Smith tries to be profound (only to faceplant), Adele's theme is irreverent enough to fit the vibe of the old-school films.
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Agreed. What is your favorite theme then?
 
Saw it on Sunday. All I can say is... *shrug*

I'm a big fan of Mendes, and he seems to be equally into Gravity, judging by the long opening cut. It felt long, and wasn't particularly smooth-flowing. It was nice to see Lea Seydoux get a bit meatier role than she enjoyed in MI4 (aside: is she the only actor to play a part in both film series?), but the ridiculously quick change in her character was disappointing. Waltz did a fantastic job – as expected really – but the motivations were muddled at best. Bautista puts up a fantastic bunch of fight scenes too.

  • Yep, that song really is awful.
  • Bellucci was criminally under-utilized. Both my girlfriend and I laughed at the idea she'd be in a dress sans-bra one scene, then in a full corset/thigh-highs in the next scene (which certainly seems to be post-sex).
  • Seydoux goes from "stay away from me" to "I love you" in a day. A day!
  • Waltz/Oppenhauser/Blofeld created the biggest secret organization in the world because of daddy issues?
  • The fight in the train was fantastic. So, points for that. Could've done without Hinx muttering a word, though.
  • Really a missed opportunity when M expanded on what "C" stood for. :lol:

I've no problem saying it: Mission Impossible 5 was a far more enjoyable film.
 
Yeah, though i liked Spectre, MI5 is more enjoyable.

the song itself isn't that bad imo. It's just that the damn lyrics and the vocal isn't suited for a Bond theme. If Adele sings it and the lyrics are changed, maybe it would sound better. Maybe.
 
SlipZtrEm
Waltz/Oppenhauser/Blofeld created the biggest secret organization in the world because of daddy issues?
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It's deliberately vague. Spectre is clearly trying to set up the next run of films, and its main concern is addressing how an organisation like SPECTRE could exist in today's world. It would be picked up pretty quickly by intelligence agencies, especially following on from Quantum, so the obvious solution was to make them into a private intelligence agency and give them access to all the intelligence. The difference between Spectre and Rogue Nation is that the Syndicate is pretty much finished while SPECTRE is just getting started. We know what the Syndicate want and why, whereas there is a lot that has gone unsaid about SPECTRE.
 
You know what, after my second viewing, i appreciate this movie a lot more. I don't know why people hate it. It's one of the Craig movie that feels like a Bond movie compared to Skyfall and Quantum. The fight on the train, Bond's attitude, the friggin Rolls Royce and the driver, the Q branch scene, it's all just screams classic Bond.
 
Finally saw it on Saturday (thankfully, something good happened after my gf lost her mind, she refused to watch it with me)...

During the Mexico Scene I was like "Whoaaaaaaah", absolutely loved it :D

Opening sequence was epic. I'd pay another ticket just to see it again. And I actually liked the song a lot, don't know what's the problem with it. :confused:
 
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Saw it last week and I really enjoyed it. The opening scene with the helicopter seemed a bit unrealistic and there was a couple of really unnecessary cheesy moments and the Sam Smith song is just plain awful.
I was most pleased that MI6 rebuilt his DB5 and the DB10 chase seemed a bit underwhelming. I thought it would go on for a bit longer and it was nice to see some gadgets return to the cars.
 
prisonermonkeys
It was filmed for real. The pilot is a guy named Chuck Aaron, one of the only people in the world certified to do barrel rolls and loop-the-loops in helicopters.
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I meant the fight scene where they're all hanging onto the side of it and keep falling in and out of it.
 
Finally got around to seeing this last night. I have to say, whilst it's not bad, I wasn't that impressed. My main criticisms are the same as usual for a Craig era film, but I also felt that this film was let down by the action sequences (it's not that I wanted more, I just don't think they did much with what they had), and I don't think Waltz lived up to his implied presence. I think I'll reserve further judgement until I've seen it a couple more times.
 
SVT Cobra GT
The opening scene with the helicopter seemed a bit unrealistic
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You've seen James Bond films before, right? I mean they took it to stupid levels by Die Another Day but up to then it's always been a series with unrealistic scenarios and actions scenes although as PM says, they've almost exclusively been shot with practical effects, not CGI.
 
Samus
You've seen James Bond films before, right? I mean they took it to stupid levels by Die Another Day but up to then it's always been a series with unrealistic scenarios and actions scenes although as PM says, they've almost exclusively been shot with practical effects, not CGI.
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Yes I have and those are things that annoy me.
 
The only thing that was digitally edited was inserting the helicopter into the scenes. The stunts were deemed too dangerous for an urban area, so they filmed them elsewhere through practical effects, then edited in to the city scenes. The crowd were also digitally edited to appear larger as there were only 1500 extras. But both are very basic digital editing techniques - up there with removing safety wires - so they're executed very well.
 
prisonermonkeys
The only thing that was digitally edited was inserting the helicopter into the scenes. The stunts were deemed too dangerous for an urban area, so they filmed them elsewhere through practical effects, then edited in to the city scenes. The crowd were also digitally edited to appear larger as there were only 1500 extras. But both are very basic digital editing techniques - up there with removing safety wires - so they're executed very well.
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I think they overdid a little bit that scene. I live in Mexico City and I visit the Zócalo very frequently and I have never seen in my lifetime such a gigantic crowd like the one in the movie :lol:
 

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