New computer...

Because A: keiren... a 500-700 watt power supply doesn't cost alot, and it'll allow for future changes without buying eve more parts.

Second we don't know what climate he's living in so the tempurate alone might make a low watt PS a waste...And I don't know about you...but PSU's are a gigantic waste of $ unless you've got sensative material that you have to be anal about it's security..Because unless his house gets hit with lightning...A decent surge will work fine...


1kW is overkill.. 700W..Not so much...

and remember, he wants to game, so chances are he'll have one game in prefferece he's playing at any given time..

meaning it's gonna be tedious to take the game in and out every time he wants to do/view/burn something else...

and why would you tell him it's useless and then turn around and say how cheap they are?

then in the event he wants to copy a CD..he can without making a image backup or doing track for track on an audio cd


He has a limit remember, but it's not as low as your price hording is implying it to be..
 
Driftster
Because A: keiren... a 500-700 watt power supply doesn't cost alot, and it'll allow for future changes without buying eve more parts.
Until recently I was running my PC - an Athlon64 with a 6600GT graphics card, DVD burner and 2 hard drives - off a 330W power supply. Granted it's not a top end system, but it ran like clockwork with a couple of hundred watts under the minimum you're recommending. I only replaced the PSU because the old one was about 4 years old and I was worried about it kicking the bucket because of old age and frying things like the mobo or hard driver on my system.

If you find one of those online wattage calculators for PC PSUs, you'll find that even if you dump a couple of 7800 graphics cards, a couple of hard drives, a top end CPU, etc., typically you'll find that if everything on your PC is running at max power simultaneously, you'll max out at well below 500W. And that's only the theoretical max power consumption of your PC - how often do you have your GPU, CPU, several hard drives, DVD burner, etc. running at max capacity simultaneously? I just don't see the advantage of adding several hundred extra watts of power to a PC that really doesn't need it. I don't see anything like 700W being required for PCs for a few years to come, considering that the current top end systems typically top out at well below 500W.

edit: I'd also be wary of very highly rated PSUs because they're likely to be cheap ones that are trying to impress with wattage. Either that or they're expensive ones designed for severs. You're likely to get either a crap one or an overly expensive one. I may have to concede this point though - I'm not really knowledgable on PSUs.

1kW is overkill.. 700W..Not so much...
Servers with RAID arrays and multiple CPUs run 700W+ power supplies. 700W is definitely overkill for a desktop PC.

and remember, he wants to game, so chances are he'll have one game in prefferece he's playing at any given time.. meaning it's gonna be tedious to take the game in and out every time he wants to do/view/burn something else...
I regularly game and burn and backup stuff to CD and DVD and I can't say that it's that much hassle to pop open my optical drive from time to time to remove my Half Life 2 disc or whatever in order to insert a blank disc to burn something. How lazy does someone have to be to get an extra disc drive specifically to avoid having to remove game discs from their drive when they wish to burn discs? You're going to have to open a disc drive and insert a disc anyway, can removing the existing disc and reinserting it later really justify an extra drive to avoid it?

and why would you tell him it's useless and then turn around and say how cheap they are?
Because buying an extra CD burner is a waste of money unless he needs it. Budgeting for a PC, like anything, is about deciding what you need and how much you're willing to pay for it. The extra $20-$40 for a second burner could be used on something else like a USB key drive, a higher capacity hard drive, etc. In my case, a second CD drive would sit there doing exactly nothing because I've never (or at least I can't remember tha last time I did it) any cause to directly copy CDs. That's why I said that unless he needs CD to CD copying it would be a waste of money. If he needs to regularly copy CDs directly, then it wouldn't be a waste of money.

then in the event he wants to copy a CD..he can without making a image backup or doing track for track on an audio cd
Yes he can do that. But an awful lot of people don't actually need or require CD to CD copying, like myself. Just about every single thing I burn to CD or DVD is coming from my hard driver and not another CD. I only ever burn off CDs so that I can make compilation CDs in which case the extra CD drive is a waste because I'm going to compiling my CDs from files on my hard drive that I've previously ripped from various CDs. Of course, YMMV, but I'm just thinking of the typical case where a second CD drive would just sit there unused.

Copying from CDs and then burning the resulting image is that fast these days (less than 10 minutes in total) that if it's done only rarely then the second drive would just be an extra device in your PC that sat there pretty much wasting space.

But seriously, I don't want to spend a bunch of posts defending the purcahse of only a single optical drive. I just think it's a waste of money for most people/. If he thinks it's worth his cash and wants disc to disc copying, he can go ahead and order a second optical drive. I'm just saying it's not necessarily a good idea.


KM.
 
ok..So..If you want a computer...and want to save....50 bucks..

don't get a second drive..

If you really don't care...and wouldn't mind a second drive....Get a second drive...

as for PS.

You could save another couple bucks by pinchin pennies and get a low wattage unit..

Or..you could be a man....and get excess...
 
Driftster
ok..So..If you want a computer...and want to save....50 bucks..

don't get a second drive..

If you really don't care...and wouldn't mind a second drive....Get a second drive...

as for PS.

You could save another couple bucks by pinchin pennies and get a low wattage unit..

Or..you could be a man....and get excess...

Do it once, do it right :)
 
ignore everything these guys have said

If you really know where to look, check out my comp

- amd 2600+ (1.6ghz but 64 bit...this outruns my 3.2ghz intel p4) and motherboard for $140
- nzxt case with decent cooling for $70
- dvd burner for $50
- 500 gigs storage (250 gig IDE and 250 gig SATA drives) for $200
- 1 gig of ram (kingston) for $90
- Logitech trackball, fellows mouse, and 19' flat panel moniter for $260

all for 810 dollars...hells yes! I use my computer for web design, homework, graphic design, counter strike, music, movies and well...its got a hell of a lot of braggin rights. (also 1.6ghz doesnt seem like much but keep in mind this is 64bit and its overclocked)

cheers (also if you live around michigan i can get you a deal..if you do PM me)
 
crazyazn7412
ignore everything these guys have said

If you really know where to look, check out my comp

- amd 2600+ (1.6ghz but 64 bit...this outruns my 3.2ghz intel p4) and motherboard for $140
- nzxt case with decent cooling for $70
- dvd burner for $50
- 500 gigs storage (250 gig IDE and 250 gig SATA drives) for $200
- 1 gig of ram (kingston) for $90
- Logitech trackball, fellows mouse, and 19' flat panel moniter for $260

all for 810 dollars...hells yes! I use my computer for web design, homework, graphic design, counter strike, music, movies and well...its got a hell of a lot of braggin rights. (also 1.6ghz doesnt seem like much but keep in mind this is 64bit and its overclocked)

cheers (also if you live around michigan i can get you a deal..if you do PM me)
Yes but I think the originator of this thread mentioned something about gaming, hell your PC doesn't even have a graphics card...



My setup is as follows
-Asus A8N-SLI Premium motherboard
-AMD Athlon 4000+ running at 2.6ghz
-2048mb DDR2 Ram
-2x 256mb nVidia 7800gtx
-Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 soundcard
-Tagan TG580-U15 580W ATX2.01 Easycon SLi Compliant Modular Silent PSU

My system is excellent for gaming as demonstrated by the fact that it was the first GTP member's PC to beat the 5000 mark in 3dmark 06 and it almost beat 6000.

A system like mine should give you plenty of performance for years to come but I woould recommend you get an Athlon X2 processor
 
oh yeah...i took cousins graphics card so i never thought about it lol...i knew i forgot something. it was a ati radeon 9800 my bad...but there are some generic 512 meg ones out now for about 100
 
It depends what you want really. You can get FAR more for your money with a desktop than a laptop, but that's obvious. I migrated from a desktop to a laptop, and i didn't notice a lot of difference to be honest. My laptop serves a dual purpose - it's my desktop at the moment (it's sitting on my desk on a cooling mat thing, and i have a wireless keyboard and mouse to type), but i often use it as a laptop if i want to switch rooms. It works just as well either way.

However, although it's fine for hard-ish everyday use (for me that means outlook, iTunes, Firefox, MSN, Photoshopa and skype usually all on at once), it doesn't like very many games. That's not because it's a laptop though - it's because they fitted it with some intel crapola graphics card.

If you've got a fair ammount of cash, go for a high spec laptop, but for the love of god make sure it's not using a P4. I'd also suggest investing in a wireless router and a cooling base/mat thing. The wireless is very handy, and the cooling base thing is great for keeping it cool on a flat surface.
 
Dude, you gotta relax... :)

All I'm saying is that a second CD drive is pointless for a lot of people. If you need it, then get it, but it's not necessarily a good thing.

I'm not suggesting he "pinch pennies" by buying a good quality 500W power supply which is well within what he needs and will likely survive several upgrades.

I'm just that adding unnecessary extras like an overkill PSU and a second CD drive is pointless. Sure it's not that much more expensive, but what's the point if you need neither?

He's free to add whatever he wants to his PC - go-faster stripes, DJ turntables, sniper's nest, etc. - but a 700W power supply isn't going to be any advantage and neither might a second CD drive, so why bother with them at all?

Just trying to offer some friendly advice. I'm not going to harp on about it any more.


KM.
 
Flame-returns
Yes but I think the originator of this thread mentioned something about gaming, hell your PC doesn't even have a graphics card...



My setup is as follows
-Asus A8N-SLI Premium motherboard
-AMD Athlon 4000+ running at 2.6ghz
-2048mb DDR2 Ram
-2x 256mb nVidia 7800gtx
-Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 soundcard
-Tagan TG580-U15 580W ATX2.01 Easycon SLi Compliant Modular Silent PSU

My system is excellent for gaming as demonstrated by the fact that it was the first GTP member's PC to beat the 5000 mark in 3dmark 06 and it almost beat 6000.

A system like mine should give you plenty of performance for years to come but I woould recommend you get an Athlon X2 processor
This is almost identical to my setup..
minus the second GTX....
but yeah dude a 4000 is FINE..if i ever do have the urge to dupe/burn..it can handle it fast enough on it's own and i'm patient enough that I don't need to multi-task...

but I would also sudgest a X2..considering they're great, and they're dropping in prices...
 
Go on newegg and throw a bunch of parts together that you like and see if they fit your budget.
 
crazyazn7412
oh yeah...i took cousins graphics card so i never thought about it lol...i knew i forgot something. it was a ati radeon 9800 my bad...but there are some generic 512 meg ones out now for about 100

The size dont really matter, usually those cards suck, since they lack support and drivers, so that a big no no.
 
Once again...

Asus a8n mobo
2gig ram..
256 GPU
4000+ CPU or an X2 depending on the $ you have to spend..
15"-17" flat screen or 19" CRT
7.1 speaker setup......

decent case...(whats your preference)
 
ROAD_DOGG33J
Are you going to overclock anything?

For some reason i dont find a point in overclocking a brand new system, that has some good specs. Maybe some time down the line, like when the pc becomes a bit slower, i would overclock then.
 
Lyke OMG!


YES!

No, case size isn't that important... so a Full Tower would be best. Something with good cooling. Looks don't hurt either.


And I have an idea of what I wanted Driftster, I'm not stupid when it comes to computers. I just wanted a second opinion. Last time I looked at computer stuff, the greatest stuff was the X2 processors and SLI... and now this stuff is affordable.
 
Driftster
SLi is so 2005...so is X2

The big thing is X5....and TSi

You're still thinking about SLi? dude don't waste your money

I would think its better just to get one badass card. X1900xtx or 7900GTX :)
 
I'm not considering SLI, doesn't seem practical to me.


I was just saying it's amazing how going away from the computer upgrades stuff for 3 months... and the prices for new technology just plummets.
 
standard235
I'm not considering SLI, doesn't seem practical to me.


I was just saying it's amazing how going away from the computer upgrades stuff for 3 months... and the prices for new technology just plummets.

Just do something you wont regret. If you can, hold off with the graphics card. Wait till Vista, and get a DX10 card :) That sounds like the smartest thing to do.
 
Well, now we are definitely getting a new computer. My om is going to have an at home job.


We can write it off as a tax deductible so price is LESS of an issue, but that $6500 Alienware with Quad SLI and dual core FX60's is retarded.


It supposedly has to be a wired computer but has to have fast Internet, not necessarily the computer though. I recommended reformatting this computer and getting a 2nd hard drive to save all of her OTHER stuff on it.


Now, this leaves me with a question. What should I get?

I wanna see a whole build with prices and stuff. I don't know everything as far as what's god. Corsair XMS memory... AMD X2 processor... Crossfire if I can with a X1900XT... Creative soundcard, and 2GB of RAM.
 
standard235
Well, now we are definitely getting a new computer. My om is going to have an at home job.


We can write it off as a tax deductible so price is LESS of an issue, but that $6500 Alienware with Quad SLI and dual core FX60's is retarded.


It supposedly has to be a wired computer but has to have fast Internet, not necessarily the computer though. I recommended reformatting this computer and getting a 2nd hard drive to save all of her OTHER stuff on it.


Now, this leaves me with a question. What should I get?

I wanna see a whole build with prices and stuff. I don't know everything as far as what's god. Corsair XMS memory... AMD X2 processor... Crossfire if I can with a X1900XT... Creative soundcard, and 2GB of RAM.

You really lucky, ATi just dropped prices on their cards :)
 
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