New lease on GT5 with Thrustmaster T500RS

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I have been a "GT'er" since the original game was released and was lucky enough to get GT5 a few days prior to release - been playing it ever since..
I haven't played the game with a DS3, but have been using a G27 the entire time(purchased for prologue) until yesterday. The difference was immediately noticable, picked up almost half a second around Suzuka in 3 laps of using the new wheel.

I purchased a Thrustmaster T500 RS and have to say it completely changed the "feel" of the game - aside from the HUGE difference in the wheel feedback, the biggest change being I am actually able to run cars without the ABS turned on w/o negative effect due to the fantastic pedal travel/feel. You can feel the individual corner's locking and really get an enhanced feel through the wheel. To try to put in words the difference in feel from the G27's wheel "feel" to the T500 RS - not in the same league so there is NO COMPETITION. 👎

Pedal's are far superior to the G27, wheel comfort and feeback are far superior to the G27 - T500 RS FTW !
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I have added a more "in depth review" of the wheel to my original post for ease of finding:

The feel through the steering wheel is very smooth, the “notchy” center/dead zone is completely absent with the T500 RS and no longer is the wheel prone to violent side to side movement on straightaways - added together result in the steadiest, most predictable turn in I’ve driven with to date with a peripheral. Moving the wheel “off center” has an immediate effect on the car, with a solid initial feeling that does not diminish and when quick opposite lock is required (let’s say snap over steer); the transition is smooth and without delay. There is almost no noise generated from the wheel assembly, only a faint electronic whir (noise) can be heard when the wheel is moved from center & also when what sounds like cooling fans (internal on assembly) come on after some run time. The force feedback is not only noticeably higher than the G27; it has a much smoother and responsive transition in FFB levels. The buttons have a very positive feel, with a noticeable “click” upon being depressed - this is nice when making rapid wheel adjustment as there is no accidental depression of buttons. Initially I thought the lack of the “manettino” was going to be a letdown, but it is easy to configure the buttons to replicate however you’d like (I used the D-pad & L2). The paddle shifters are firm and accidental gear changes should be able to be avoided due to this attribute. I can certainly the stationary paddle shifters took some getting used to, which I did not initially like – but now wish my M3 had rather than wheel mounted. Oh well.
The pedal assembly is approximately 16 pounds, so it is properly weighted and doesn’t have any unwanted movement while being used. With the pedal assembly in their self-dubbed “Rally” position (top hinged) – the entire pedal assembly loses some of its stability but can be gained back by placing it up against a flat surface and will then be as sturdy as when in “Formula” position (bottom hinged). The ability to invert the pedal assembly is a “cool” feature, and heel toe movement seems to be less obstructed. All of the pedals are adjustable vertically and in relation to each other horizontally. As the clutch pedal is currently “dead” with GT5 due to no gate pattern shifter, the only heel toe practice has been verified with movement of feet but with no reference available through the game (but is easily accomplished, feels fluid, and can be fine-tuned via orientation of pedals to one another). If you change between the two “pedal layouts” all you have to do is press the mode button on the wheel assembly base (and swap the pedal “faces” if you’d like, I’d recommend it). The pressure required to depress the clutch and gas pedals are very similar to the G27, with the gas pedal having a longer “throw.” The brake pedal has a noticeably larger amount of resistance in the out-of-the-box trim (compared to the G27’s which wasn’t bad), with approx. 10-15 lbs. more resistance able to be added via their “Realistic Brake Mod.” I personally didn’t like this extra addition when installed - as it decreased the brake pedal throw significantly – at least 50%.
 
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This is a question?

Naw, didn't pose it as one either. Just a little bit of feeback on a newer peripheral for the PS3(hence why I didn't pose it as a question). But I moved it to the correct place so you wouldn't have to make your next post a complaint. :sly:
 
lol. i have a g27 and it´s fantastic. the feedback is great. so i don´t see your point in mocking on it, seriously.

the t500 certainly is a nice wheel for gt5 (would be weird if it´d suck since it costs about 500€), and the feeling must be great since it´s the official one. but you can´t say the g27 is bad because of this. that´s just not true. you´re right about the pedal thing you said, though. it is nearly impossible to drive fast with ABS turned off.with abs set to 1 it´s great and doesn´t make you slower. btw. most (modern) race cars have abs in rL. so it´s not unrealistic or so :>

btw. what about support of other games and platforms? *cough* ;)
 
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There is a lot of talk about the T500R in the wheels forum already... I think it's been pretty well documented the G27 pedal failing is not a hardware one as much as a nerf/failure on PDs part becuase the pedal set has no such problem in other games.

Basically if you buy the T500R largely for the brake pedal functionality, I feel you have fallen prey to PD's plan to get you to buy their expensive licensed product by keeping another top quality product from functioning to it's fullest extent.
 
Wow, a fully supported $600 wheel works better with GT5 than $300 wheel that isn't fully supported. No one ever saw that coming. Thanks for educating us all captain obvious.
 
Wow, a fully supported $600 wheel works better with GT5 than $300 wheel that isn't fully supported. No one ever saw that coming. Thanks for educating us all captain obvious.

You're welcome captain douche

lol. i have a g27 and it´s fantastic. the feedback is great. so i don´t see your point in mocking on it, seriously.

the t500 certainly is a nice wheel for gt5 (would be weird if it´d suck since it costs about 500€), and the feeling must be great since it´s the official one. but you can´t say the g27 is bad because of this. that´s just not true. you´re right about the pedal thing you said, though. it is nearly impossible to drive fast with ABS turned off.with abs set to 1 it´s great and doesn´t make you slower. btw. most (modern) race cars have abs in rL. so it´s not unrealistic or so :>

btw. what about support of other games and platforms? *cough* ;)

Most "race cars" don't run ABS.... S2's, FF's, Star Mazda's, F1, Nascar, I could keep going....
 
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There is a lot of talk about the T500R in the wheels forum already... I think it's been pretty well documented the G27 pedal failing is not a hardware one as much as a nerf/failure on PDs part becuase the pedal set has no such problem in other games.

Basically if you buy the T500R largely for the brake pedal functionality, I feel you have fallen prey to PD's plan to get you to buy their expensive licensed product by keeping another top quality product from functioning to it's fullest extent.

The pedal is certainly not the only difference, the wheel has a much improved feel as well. I chose to "talk" about the pedal so much since I could not seem to manage running without ABS on either the G27 or the DFGT.

hahaha.... A little bitter are we? Any reason you're so anti-G27?

Probably since the T500 is so much better - and double the price isn't really that much "extra." I have owned the G27 since prologue - everything from the build quality to the feel of the game through the peripheral are far superior. It's probably what the G27 should have been.

EDIT: ;) Not bitter, just putting a "title" in there like you did - seemed appropriate.
 
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You guys are dicks! all i got from the post was, he had a g27(that he liked) but was suprised and thrilled with how much better the thrustmaster felt. I didnt take that as a downing g27 thread at all. I have a g25. its great. Untill I use somthing better, I will then come to the forums to tell those who might want to know first hand what the dfference is.

Bunch of babies around here.
 
$600 and you don't even get a shifter, sorry not for me.

Fair enough, to each their own. Since the gate shifter doesn't really function "smoothly" with the clutch pedal on the G27 - it was not a big deal to me at all as I hardly used the gate shifter unless I was playing around.
 
You guys are dicks! all i got from the post was, he had a g27(that he liked) but was suprised and thrilled with how much better the thrustmaster felt. I didnt take that as a downing g27 thread at all. I have a g25. its great. Untill I use somthing better, I will then come to the forums to tell those who might want to know first hand what the dfference is.

Bunch of babies around here.

+1 - but I get some enjoyment out of reading the "childish" posts :)

I will continue to give my opinions - especially when it's in regards to something that is expensive and others may not be as fortunate to be able to go buy it "to see what it's like."
 
Probably since the T500 is so much better - and double the price isn't really that much "extra." I have owned the G27 since prologue - everything from the build quality to the feel of the game through the peripheral are far superior. It's probably what the G27 should have been.

Obviously, the T500 does have some amazing quality equipment. However, IMHO, it simply lacks some of the features it should have had for the $600 Price, such as an H-Patter shifter included.

I can understand that it is targeted for a niche market. Nevertheless, the fact that G25/G27's are artificially nerfed make me really upset:mad: especially considering that you can get an H-patter shifter for it.

Btw: Remember to use the multi-quote button, the Moderators don't look really kindly upon double-posting:scared:
 
Naw, didn't pose it as one either. Just a little bit of feeback on a newer peripheral for the PS3(hence why I didn't pose it as a question). But I moved it to the correct place so you wouldn't have to make your next post a complaint. :sly:

I wasn't complaining, just saying.
 
I bought a Thrustmaster when I was still using GT5P. On the first try of using it the pedals didn't work, so I had to use the buttons on it to accelerate while the wheel was turning. That was the only time I used it.

The thing is, I am terrible with steering wheels, plus they cost considerable amounts of money, therefore I will never use one and I will stick to the old school, casual way.
 
btw. what about support of other games and platforms? *cough* ;)

Don't use other platforms, so that is the least of my concern - and as the G27 didn't have full functionality with GT, works much better with the T500RS. I kept on hoping they'd put the software into GT to make it a "supported" wheel but they didn't and I have no regrets. Other games that are to come with surely have support for the T500, so again not something I'm worried about. As it becomes harder to find a G27 at retailer's(Oregon), also seems to be another good route - and to pack a lifetime warranty, that's nice. Cheers.

I bought a Thrustmaster when I was still using GT5P. On the first try of using it the pedals didn't work, so I had to use the buttons on it to accelerate while the wheel was turning. That was the only time I used it.

The thing is, I am terrible with steering wheels, plus they cost considerable amounts of money, therefore I will never use one and I will stick to the old school, casual way.

I've used a couple other Thrustmaster wheels also, and they definitely do not compare to this one. 👍

I wasn't complaining, just saying.

Copy, it was accidentally put in the GT5 Q&A section - and it was a preventative "move." Copy on the wasn't complaining, but didn't want one to follow :)
 
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I agree with machine4321 all I got was "I have G27, I got T500, I prefer T500 for reasons X,Y & Z" there is no need to rag on the guy.

I use the G25 when I can, but use the DS3 99% of the time. I hope to get a full rig for sims once I move home. And I will be building round the T500, I have heard mainly good things so unless we get a G28 or other wheel that's better.

Any chance of anymore feedback compared to the G27?
 
I agree with machine4321 all I got was "I have G27, I got T500, I prefer T500 for reasons X,Y & Z" there is no need to rag on the guy.

I use the G25 when I can, but use the DS3 99% of the time. I hope to get a full rig for sims once I move home. And I will be building round the T500, I have heard mainly good things so unless we get a G28 or other wheel that's better.

Any chance of anymore feedback compared to the G27?

I am about to put some work in and get a bit more in depth yes. I was only able to put an hour and a half or so on it and was a bit taken away by the difference. More pros(and cons if/when I find them) to come - hoping to put some solid hours in today !
 
You're welcome captain douche

You guys are dicks!
Lets keep the insults to ourselves chaps.

Btw: Remember to use the multi-quote button, the Moderators don't look really kindly upon double-posting:scared:
And, scca_ziptie, please pay close attention to this. I'll merge your multi posts in this thread.

You have moved this thread already, but I'm going to move it to the correct forum.
 
hahaha.... A little bitter are we? Any reason you're so anti-G27?

I didn't realise he was, I just saw a comment about how he'd been a G27 user until now having played GT5 with a wheel he felt was superior and improved his times by 1/2 a second in three laps.
 
machine4321
You guys are dicks! all i got from the post was, he had a g27(that he liked) but was suprised and thrilled with how much better the thrustmaster felt. I didnt take that as a downing g27 thread at all. I have a g25. its great. Untill I use somthing better, I will then come to the forums to tell those who might want to know first hand what the dfference is.

Bunch of babies around here.

Agree...chill people.
 
No problem. The first post just sounded as if he felt the need to defend the Thrusmaster wheel and crap all over the G27 for some reason. If I took it wrong, my bad 👍

I use a DFGT, so my wheel sucks compared to both Im sure :lol:
 
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No problem. The first post just sounded as if he felt the need to defend the Thrusmaster wheel and crap all over the G27 for some reason. If I took it wrong, my bad 👍

I use a DFGT, so my wheel sucks compared to both Im sure :lol:

gracious of you to apologize to the OP! 👍

I want the T500RS! :) It is definitely winning the battle for my heart and mind over the Fanatec GT2 Kit. If the T500RS had Xbox360 support I would buy it in a heartbeat!
:)
 
gracious of you to apologize to the OP! 👍

I want the T500RS! :) It is definitely winning the battle for my heart and mind over the Fanatec GT2 Kit. If the T500RS had Xbox360 support I would buy it in a heartbeat!
:)

My thoughts exactly.
 
I agree with the OP, I am able the predict each cars behavior much more with assists turned off, resulting in cleaner driving, My lap times have reduced, Am on a mission to gold all licenses and Challenges, With this wheel I have a feeling if I drive well, I could. With my DFGT I just couldn't predict the cars reaction accurately.
 
The feel through the steering wheel is very smooth, the “notchy” center/dead zone is completely absent with the T500 RS and no longer is the wheel prone to violent side to side movement on straightaways - added together result in the steadiest, most predictable turn in I’ve driven with to date with a peripheral. Moving the wheel “off center” has an immediate effect on the car, with a solid initial feeling that does not diminish and when quick opposite lock is required (let’s say snap over steer); the transition is smooth and without delay. There is almost no noise generated from the wheel assembly, only a faint electronic whir (noise) can be heard when the wheel is moved from center & also when what sounds like cooling fans (internal on assembly) come on after some run time. The force feedback is not only noticeably higher than the G27; it has a much smoother and responsive transition in FFB levels. The buttons have a very positive feel, with a noticeable “click” upon being depressed - this is nice when making rapid wheel adjustment as there is no accidental depression of buttons. Initially I thought the lack of the “manettino” was going to be a letdown, but it is easy to configure the buttons to replicate however you’d like (I used the D-pad & L2). The paddle shifters are firm and accidental gear changes should be able to be avoided due to this attribute. I can certainly the stationary paddle shifters took some getting used to, which I did not initially like – but now wish my M3 had rather than wheel mounted. Oh well.
The pedal assembly is approximately 16 pounds, so it is properly weighted and doesn’t have any unwanted movement while being used. With the pedal assembly in their self-dubbed “Rally” position (top hinged) – the entire pedal assembly loses some of its stability but can be gained back by placing it up against a flat surface and will then be as sturdy as when in “Formula” position (bottom hinged). The ability to invert the pedal assembly is a “cool” feature, and heel toe movement seems to be less obstructed. All of the pedals are adjustable vertically and in relation to each other horizontally. As the clutch pedal is currently “dead” with GT5 due to no gate pattern shifter, the only heel toe practice has been verified with movement of feet but with no reference available through the game (but is easily accomplished, feels fluid, and can be fine-tuned via orientation of pedals to one another). If you change between the two “pedal layouts” all you have to do is press the mode button on the wheel assembly base (and swap the pedal “faces” if you’d like, I’d recommend it). The pressure required to depress the clutch and gas pedals are very similar to the G27, with the gas pedal having a longer “throw.” The brake pedal has a noticeably larger amount of resistance in the out-of-the-box trim (compared to the G27’s which wasn’t bad), with approx. 10-15 lbs. more resistance able to be added via their “Realistic Brake Mod.” I personally didn’t like this extra addition when installed - as it decreased the brake pedal throw significantly – at least 50%.
 
Fair enough, to each their own. Since the gate shifter doesn't really function "smoothly" with the clutch pedal on the G27 - it was not a big deal to me at all as I hardly used the gate shifter unless I was playing around.

I'm glad you're happy with your new wheel, but the gate shifter works perfectly smoothly with the clutch pedal on the G27.

I couldn't get used to those fixed paddles, even if I could get the AUD$800 price tag past the wife...

You're not alone though, from the bulk of reviews it sounds like the wheel itself is pretty amazing.
 
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