New Nintendo HD Console to be revealed at E3; Launches after April 2012

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Terronium-12
Let's all play "Guess who dat fool is!", shall we?

At no point, anywhere in that article, does is state the Stream would be more powerful than either the PS3 or 360. What it does state is that the R700-based GPU would be more powerful than the PS3's NV47, which would be true. Which would in turn mean that said GPU would also outclass the 360's R500-based GPU, which again, would be true. I've got to laugh at you for not reading properly.

There was this console released 5, going on 6 years ago; what was the name of it? Oh that's right, the Xbox 360. Look up the word 'contradiction' and then get back to me.

You mean like those incredibly innovative motion controllers both consoles now have? I bet you think Sony and Microsoft pulled that straight out of rear ends, don't you? Oh, and for the record, Nintendo has more experience in the market than both Sony and Microsoft, combined.

I suppose the financial issues Sega went through had nothing to do with their retirement from the active console market? And tell me, what's a serious gamer? I hope to God it isn't you...because everything you've just said is full of crap I'm surprised you were even able to get this far without saying something even more ignorant and devoid of any truth than what you've already said.
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Go read the OP

Playstation 3 released 2006, 5 years ago. Xbox 360 released 2005, 6 years ago. What's your point?

Motion controllers were being developed long before the Wii was concieved, do a bit of digging and you'll find that out. So they're not so innovative.

SEGA retired from the console market thanks to their terrible marketing of consoles such as the Saturn and Dreamcast which effectively handed the market to Sony, they quit because they simply couldn't compete and Sony were producing better products.

So the only one that's full of crap is you son. Now go back to gripping you Wii controller firmly in your hand because you seem to like that.
 
You realize that Nintendo made way more money than Sony and Microsoft for the duration current generation, right?
 
Go read the OP
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Once again, nowhere does it state that it's more powerful; it does, however, state that and I quote "IGN has heard..." Do you see the difference?
Playstation 3 released 2006, 5 years ago. Xbox 360 released 2005, 6 years ago. What's your point?
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If you don't see it, then I'm not going to point it out to you. And that's being polite.

Motion controllers were being developed long before the Wii was concieved, do a bit of digging and you'll find that out. So they're not so innovative.
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Again, not even going to bother.

SEGA retired from the console market thanks to their terrible marketing of consoles such as the Saturn and Dreamcast which effectively handed the market to Sony, they quit because they simply couldn't compete and Sony were producing better products.
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Read above. In fact, I'd wager Logan might chime in at some point.

So the only one that's full of crap is you son. Now go back to gripping you Wii controller firmly in your hand because you seem to like that.
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If that's you trying to be witty...then goddamn, how do I compete with that?
 
Stephen220378
SEGA retired from the console market thanks to their terrible marketing of consoles such as the Saturn and Dreamcast which effectively handed the market to Sony, they quit because they simply couldn't compete and Sony were producing better products.
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Sega retired from the console market because 6 years of truly astounding incompetence on the part of SoJ and Bernie Stolar, and nearly 10 years of spiteful corporate sabotage towards SoA by SoJ, had finally caught up with them to the point that they couldn't even get consumers or developers to trust them when they did everything right.
None of these things apply to Nintendo.

Stephen220378
As for Nintendo, why don't they just leave the console market to the companies who know what they're doing i.e Sony and Microsoft,
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Nintendo almost certainly made far more money on the Gamecube alone, which was by all but the most biased accounts a complete and total failure, then Microsoft has made in their entire 10 years in the industry. Sony lost so much money on the PS3 that it was at one point being reported that they had decimated every penny of profit they ever made on the PS2.
It seems to me that Nintendo knows damn well what they are doing.

Stephen220378
the last time they released a decent console was back in the early 90's with the SNES/Super Famicom,
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You know, for all of the problems the N64 had over the somewhat brief time it was on sale, I certainly don't remember anyone acting like it was the abomination you seem to be implying it was. In fact, when it became clear that the system was going to die before the Gamecube even made it out, I recall a lot more tears being broken up about it then when the PSX finally keeled over a few years later.

Stephen220378
I have never known or even heard of anyone who would be considered a gamer that only has a Wii or has various consoles but uses the Wii as their primary source of gaming.
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Then you clearly have made no effort whatsoever to claw your way out of your narrow-minded imaginary world.
 
Villain
You realize that Nintendo made way more money than Sony and Microsoft for the duration current generation, right?
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I at no point said they didn't, in fact I stated in an earlier post that it sold in it's millions. However, I also stated that the Wii can't be considered as a competitor to the PS3 and Xbox 360, it was considerably cheaper, nowhere near as advanced and aimed towards a broader market. Also take into account that the Wii was making money per console sale from day one due to Nintendo's low production costs while both the PS3 and Xbox were being sold at a loss for extended periods after their launch it's no surprise that Nintendo have made way more money. But when all's said and done, just because a product makes more money, it doesn't mean it's the best product of it's kind on the market.
 
Toronado
Sega retired from the console market because 6 years of truly astounding incompetence on the part of SoJ and Bernie Stolar, and nearly 10 years of spiteful corporate sabotage towards SoA by SoJ, had finally caught up with them to the point that they couldn't even get consumers or developers to trust them when they did everything right.
None of these things apply to Nintendo.


Nintendo almost certainly made far more money on the Gamecube alone, which was by all but the most biased accounts a complete and total failure, then Microsoft has made in their entire 10 years in the industry. Sony lost so much money on the PS3 that it was at one point being reported that they had decimated every penny of profit they ever made on the PS2.
It seems to me that Nintendo knows damn well what they are doing.


You know, for all of the problems the N64 had over the somewhat brief time it was on sale, I certainly don't remember anyone acting like it was the abomination you seem to be implying it was. In fact, when it became clear that the system was going to die before the Gamecube even made it out, I recall a lot more tears being broken up about it then when the PSX finally keeled over a few years later.


Then you clearly have made no effort whatsoever to claw your way out of your narrow-minded imaginary world.
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Why are people going back to the money argument? First the Wii and now the Gamecube, the money a product has made doesn't mean that it's better than other similar products on the market, usually it means that the company has found a way to optimise production costs and are happy that the product in question will make money from the start rather than selling at a loss. Unless you're a Nintendo shareholder this information is completely irrelevant.
 
Toronado
Probably because you brought it up in the first place by saying that Nintendo didn't know what they were doing.
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In relation to making a better console than the companies they regard as their competitors, Sony and Microsoft, they clearly don't.
 
Not to distract everyone by making a post on topic, but I'm gonna do it anyways ;).

Completely forgot to consider the online services aspect. Now I've never tried out w/e Ninty did with the Wii online experience, but I'm pretty certain I've read less than flattering things about it. At a minimum they are going to have to match PS3 I think, which in many ways shouldn't be too difficult, but I have a VERY hard time believing they will be able to come up with anything to rival Live. Although personally I despise the constant "in your face" advertising aspect of Live I do have to admit in just about every other regard it is a very smartly designed online interface.

So if they go the "free" route, ala Sony, I suppose as long as the graphics and 3rd party commitment to HC games are in place then the online just only needs to be minimally functional. However if they seriously have an eye on mimicking MS's "pay to play" model, they better show up with some seriously impressive networking and connectivity design.

Even with the fancy controller display, which sounds nice I do admit, I still think they have some significant hurdles to clear to entice the HC Sony & MS console owner... especially if they do in fact launch $150-$200 more expensive.
 
icelt
Not to distract everyone by making a post on topic, but I'm gonna do it anyways ;).

Completely forgot to consider the online services aspect. Now I've never tried out w/e Ninty did with the Wii online experience, but I'm pretty certain I've read less than flattering things about it. At a minimum they are going to have to match PS3 I think, which in many ways shouldn't be too difficult, but I have a VERY hard time believing they will be able to come up with anything to rival Live. Although personally I despise the constant "in your face" advertising aspect of Live I do have to admit in just about every other regard it is a very smartly designed online interface.

So if they go the "free" route, ala Sony, I suppose as long as the graphics and 3rd party commitment to HC games are in place then the online just only needs to be minimally functional. However if they seriously have an eye on mimicking MS's "pay to play" model, they better show up with some seriously impressive networking and connectivity design.

Even with the fancy controller display, which sounds nice I do admit, I still think they have some significant hurdles to clear to entice the HC Sony & MS console owner... especially if they do in fact launch $150-$200 more expensive.
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A valid point, but considering my personal preference I could honestly care less what online interactivity Stream has. As long as Metroid, LoZ, All of the classics, and MGS (to sone capacity), as well as some other games keep coming Nintendo's way I am good.
 
Stephen220378
I at no point said they didn't, in fact I stated in an earlier post that it sold in it's millions. However, I also stated that the Wii can't be considered as a competitor to the PS3 and Xbox 360, it was considerably cheaper, nowhere near as advanced and aimed towards a broader market. Also take into account that the Wii was making money per console sale from day one due to Nintendo's low production costs while both the PS3 and Xbox were being sold at a loss for extended periods after their launch it's no surprise that Nintendo have made way more money. But when all's said and done, just because a product makes more money, it doesn't mean it's the best product of it's kind on the market.
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So Toyota should stop making Camrys because they aren't as good as Ferraris and Lamborghinis?
 
Wii 2 controller sports 6.2-inch touch screen?
By Tom Magrino, GameSpot
Posted Apr 21, 2011 2:34 pm PT

Nintendo's as-yet-unannounced new console rumored to also feature input device with eight buttons, two analog sticks, and one camera.

Source: Consumer gaming blog Kotaku.

What we heard: With less than two months to go before the gaming industry convenes in Los Angeles for the 2011 Electronic Entertainment Expo, the Internet has been hemorrhaging Wii 2 rumors. One of those rumors concerned itself with the Wii 2's controller, which French gaming site 01net claimed would resemble an iPad.

Lending further credence to that rumor, Kotaku reports today that it has been informed by several sources that the Wii 2--which is possibly code-named Project Cafe--will indeed resemble a tablet device. According to the site, the controller will feature two analog sticks, eight buttons, and a camera.

Nintendo's new console might sync up to a tablet controller.

To the tablet tale, the device will reportedly feature a touch screen that measures 6.2 inches diagonally. As a point of comparison, Nintendo's DSi XL features a 4.2 inch touch screen, while the regular DS Lite's screen measures 3 inches of diagonal viewing area and the iPad's is 9.7 inches. The screen will reportedly receive data wirelessly, the content of which is open for developers to decide.

However, it would appear as if the tablet device won't be the Wii 2's only method of input. According to Kotaku, the Wii 2 will also support motion controllers akin to those of the Wii. In fact, the website's sources indicate that motion-controller gaming will remain a core emphasis with the new console.

The official story: "Nintendo does not comment on rumors or speculation."--A Nintendo of America representative.

Bogus or not bogus: Looking not bogus that Nintendo will once again be innovating in the controller department for its newest console. However, gamers aren't likely to get reliable particulars until the publisher announces the device.
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Ok... hmmm, all sounds "neato" but now I'm having a pricing problem.

Box list:
*1 - Console: 3xcore CPU, R700 based GPU, (all assumpts now) 2 USB 2.0 ports, 300W PS, 120GB HD, wifi, ethernet port
*1 - Controller: 2 analog stick, 8 buttons, wireless, 3-4" touchscreen
*1 - Motion Cntlr: Improved Wii like wand
*1 - A/V cable (RGB or Component depending on how Ninty feels about it)
*1 - Power cable

Only $400?

Is the wand that cheap and is the touchscreen controller that cheap too all fit in one package? And if not, what gets sacrificed? 'Cause as we all know, developers like to know what devices their market will vs might own. If it keeps the Wii moniker, then there's gotta be no way they drop the wand. So then, does the touchscreen controller become a $50+ dollar accessory? Also then what about the nunchuck?

And surely this tablet thingy can't fit in the initial package. I mean hell, what kind of adder is that thing gonna be?
 
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If so, they might stand to lose a bit on every console purchased. However, there's the 3DS and the Wii and they'll likely supplant any actual loses.
 
Villain
So Toyota should stop making Camrys because they aren't as good as Ferraris and Lamborghinis?
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Toyota aren't trying to compete with Ferrari or Lamborghini. Plus it's a bit of a silly comparison when you consider the massive price difference between a Toyota Camry and any Ferrari compared to the price difference of a Wii and a PS3. My point was that Nintendo, for years now, have been trying to compete in the video games market with a sub-standard console, for all the money it makes Nintendo it can't take away the fact that it's just plain and simply a poor console which sold because it was cheap, aimed at families and young kids and played off the motion control gimmick which in itself was a bit false since you could lay on your couch and play games with a flick of the wrist rather than jumping about your livingroom like an idiot which was the intention of it in the first place. There's really not much good you can say about the Wii unless you're a Nintendo shareholder.
 
Response appears to be futile. "Better" is largely subjective anyways. To say that they should leave the console market is just a complete joke considering they are the most successful video game brand by far. Have fun hating, though.
 
As Nintendo officially admits development of its next-generation home console, more unofficial details transpire. Apparently, the console due late in 2012 carries code-name "Cafe" and will be based on IBM Power microprocessor, ATI DirectX 11-class graphics engine as well as a new motion-sensing controller with built-in screen.

The next-generation console from Nintendo is internally called "Cafe" and architecturally resembles Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox 360, but sports higher amount of compute power, reports 01.net web-site. In fact, the Cafe reportedly resembles Xbox 360 even "anatomically": it is based on custom triple-core IBM Power microprocessor and features ATI R700-like (Evergreen) custom graphics engine. The system will have 512MB or higher amount of memory.

The specifications are likely to be very preliminary and exact levels of performance are unknown. Still, DirectX 11-like graphics capabilities seem to be up-to-date, but in 2012 will rather be outdated. Nonetheless, specifically tailored games running on a triple-core processors and with DirectX 11-class graphics at even 720p resolutions should look significantly better than present. It is expected that Nintendo will show off the console at the E3 trade-show in June, 2011, and will therefore unveil at least basic technical specs.

The choice of architecture is rather logical as Nintendo will need to ensure that its new console will not only be able to play popular high-definition cross-platform games that are already available, but will also be quickly adopted by game-developers currently designing games due in 2012 and later.

The console will also feature a rather innovative game controller, which will feature a large touch-screen as well as traditional gamepad controls. Since the information seems to come from two sources (01.net, Neogaf), it looks like Nintendo is at least considering such a hybrid controller. Given the fact that Nintendo has vast experience in with dual-screen games and game consoles (DS, 3DS, etc.), the company may be interested in creation of such controller for its home consoles too.

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Nintendo did not comment on the news-story.
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Seems Nintendo might have licensed DirectX afterall. Way to go, Ninty. Cheaper than developing an in-house API, and is arguably more plentiful than OpenGL at this point. Can't wait to see if this is 100% true or not. 👍
 
Interesting that they have gone with a Wii esque look for the console in those leaked shots (I know nothing is final), suppose it makes sense for brand identity and I'm nearly 100% sure the new name will still have 'Wii' in it. I was hoping for something more like a cube like the GC except taking 12cm disks.

I don't really see the point of a screen on the controller, yes you can use it as a mini-map or a dashboard but Dreamcast tried it and really wasn't all that, bit of a gimmick. I would have thought Nintendo would want to implement some sort of kinect style gameplay to still please the casual motion crowd seeing as wands are really old hat.

They are going to need something seriously unique because its risky to launch a console in the mid cycle of your competitors (seeing as they are aiming hardcore). The PS2 only managed to pull it off because it had a DVD drive and the same trick didn't work with the PS3's Blu Ray which was a launch disaster.

Robin.
 
If they are truly going the combo route on the controller by stuffing Wii like motion sensing into a standard controller I think that is a bad idea. Sony initially tried this with the 6 axis, still has it in the DS3 and although I understand Ninty's will be much more precise in comparison it still is a pretty uncomfortable design solution. The only game with 6 axis controls that hasn't felt uncomfortable for me is bowling, so at least in that game you could use the controller in 1 hand. Anytime I've had to go the 2 hand route I just didn't like it.

For motion controls a "wand" like design has already proven the most effective means to go about things, unless you're going sans controller like MS. Undoubtedly it makes sense from a pricing and mfr'ing standpoint, but I just don't see it being functional for "motion" gaming.

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Terronium-12
If so, they might stand to lose a bit on every console purchased. However, there's the 3DS and the Wii and they'll likely supplant any actual loses.
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Fair point. A strategy they could also support with the oodles of cash they've already made off the Wii. However, Sony thought the same thing with the PS2 cash they made and the PS3 almost turned that plan into a disaster. I'm sure Ninty took good notes though and if they decide to go the "absorb some initial losses" route it will be a much more modest figure... like $50-$100 per console.
 
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Does anyone know if Nintendo hinted at when they'd want to release this? Fall 2012? Sooner?

Edit: Nevermind, saw it said 2012. Just in time for the world to end? :lol:
 
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Fair point. A strategy they could also support with the oodles of cash they've already made off the Wii. However, Sony thought the same thing with the PS2 cash they made and the PS3 almost turned that plan into a disaster. I'm sure Ninty took good notes though and if they decide to go the "absorb some initial losses" route it will be a much more modest figure... like $50-$100 per console.
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Remember though, Nintendo practically owns the handheld market and the 3DS has already sold, what, 3, 400k (?) units in it's first week. Whether or not they've yet to make an actual profit from those sales I can't really tell you (haven't checked) but considering the 3DS will continue to sell in such a fashion and with all of the profit made from the Wii they'd have to seriously screw something up, or having someone on the production team that futzed up the quarterly projections at some point or another. I wouldn't be surprised if it released late next year, that way 3DS sales should be close to at least 700,000 units sold and the Wii somewhere near 90 or perhaps 91 million sold. If it releases this year they might choke for a few months.

Worse case scenario? This becomes the contemporary 64DD and gets canned, and becomes something else entirely.
 
Terronium-12
Remember though, Nintendo practically owns the handheld market and the 3DS has already sold, what, 3, 400k (?) units in it's first week. Whether or not they've yet to make an actual profit from those sales I can't really tell you (haven't checked) but considering the 3DS will continue to sell in such a fashion and with all of the profit made from the Wii they'd have to seriously screw something up, or having someone on the production team that futzed up the quarterly projections at some point or another. I wouldn't be surprised if it released late next year, that way 3DS sales should be close to at least 700,000 units sold and the Wii somewhere near 90 or perhaps 91 million sold. If it releases this year they might choke for a few months.

Worse case scenario? This becomes the contemporary 64DD and gets canned, and becomes something else entirely.
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I hear ya man, I think we are in agreement :)
 
Villain
Does anyone know if Nintendo hinted at when they'd want to release this? Fall 2012? Sooner?

Edit: Nevermind, saw it said 2012. Just in time for the world to end? :lol:
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When is that again? December 21st? I can never remember such an important date. :nervous:
 
Terronium-12
Remember though, Nintendo practically owns the handheld market and the 3DS has already sold, what, 3, 400k (?) units in it's first week.
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I can't speak for the US but in the UK the 3DS launch has been somewhat of a PR disaster and it could be dead here before its even got off the ground.

Loads of people have complained it makes them feel sick and gives them headaches, when they went to return them the retailers would not offer refunds. Now the price has dropped £50 which is huge reduction considering the short amount of time its been out. Sales have been quite poor.

The Wii did wonders for Nintendo's reputation and the 3DS seems to be hindering rather than helping at the moment.

Robin.
 
Robin.
I can't speak for the US but in the UK the 3DS launch has been somewhat of a PR disaster and it could be dead here before its even got off the ground.

Loads of people have complained it makes them feel sick and gives them headaches, when they went to return them the retailers would not offer refunds. Now the price has dropped £50 which is huge reduction considering the short amount of time its been out. Sales have been quite poor.

The Wii did wonders for Nintendo's reputation and the 3DS seems to be hindering rather than helping at the moment.

Robin.
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LOVE to hear that. That's what you get for selling dreamcast tech for 250 euros.
 
A few websites are saying that all these project cafe images are fakes done by the same guy making them look like they were taken undercover. Also they are saying its slightly suspicious that every rumor about the system so far has been complied in to the specs listed in the images making it seem to good to be true. So we really have to take all this with a pinch of salt.

Robin.
 
Wait, what? "Easy portability from the Xbox 360."

What? Is that referring to software portability?

Again, what?
 
Terronium-12
Wait, what? "Easy portability from the Xbox 360."

What? Is that referring to software portability?

Again, what?
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That's because its probably been written by some kid as a joke, no official documents or presentations would be so badly worded.
 

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