New Nintendo HD Console to be revealed at E3; Launches after April 2012

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Its seems like the perfect system for RPG's. By that the screen on the controller can be used for hot keys......


...still not interested in buying a Nintendo console or handheld. It seems they are sticking to the "generation" behind attitude. 3DS is slightly more powerful than the PSP, This thing is slightly more powerful than a 360. The Wii was slightly more powerful than the Xbox. I did not buy a large screen HD tv to enjoy gameplay before anyone brings that up :) I need to see a long list of features and games before I own more than 2 systems.
 
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Its no longer a rumor, Nintendo has officially confirmed the Wii's successor will arrive in 2012. A playable system will be shown at E3 this year. No other information on specs has been released.​

The press release from the official Japanese site...

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2011/110425_4e.pdf
 
Its no longer a rumor, Nintendo has officially confirmed the Wii's successor will arrive in 2012. A playable system will be shown at E3 this year. No other information on specs has been released.​

The press release from the official Japanese site...

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2011/110425_4e.pdf

Noted and the CEO later commented on the launch date as well.


Iwata reveals motive for Project Café

News by Fred Dutton
www.eurogamer.net

Nintendo is getting ready to introduce a new home console because its current hardware has lost the power to surprise, CEO Satoru Iwata has revealed.

Speaking at a press conference in Japan earlier today in which he confirmed that a new system was in development, Iwata said (as translated by Andriasang), "It became difficult for developers to surprise customers with the current Wii."

During the presentation Iwata also offered further clarification as to when the new console, thought to be codenamed Project Café, will hit the shelves.

Noting that Nintendo had not included sales of the Wii's successor in its forecast for the current fiscal year, which ends on 31st March 2012, Iwata confirmed that the system would not launch until after April 2012.

There's still no official word as to what the new platform might offer, but Digital Foundry has been picking through the rumours in search of answers.
 
:drool:

Now I believe it. not because it's been officially confirmed, but because they're going through with this because the Wii has lost the element of innovative surprise; which is exactly when they said they'd introduce a new system.
 
It will take a lot of effort for Nintendo to regain the hardcore market. To be perfectly honest I really doubt they will manage to do it, at least this coming generation. Sadly, they did a lot to position themselves as the console for young or casual gamers (whether they intended it or not) that I think it'll be very hard for them to revert it, they can't do it overnight.
 
Those controller designs look incredibly clunky, and the console looks like my router...
 
It will take a lot of effort for Nintendo to regain the hardcore market. To be perfectly honest I really doubt they will manage to do it, at least this coming generation. Sadly, they did a lot to position themselves as the console for young or casual gamers (whether they intended it or not) that I think it'll be very hard for them to revert it, they can't do it overnight.

Wouldn't say this but they didn't "age" with their original market IMO (and no I'm not referring to their playing card origins). I remember getting my NES (yeah, that dates me!) when I was younger, then I got out of video games for a while until a few years back.

Say what you (not directed at you) will, they are still clearly the leader in terms of longevity and overall success in the industry. My only bug with them is that they seem come out with new consoles/systems pretty quickly compared to the rest of the market.
 
It will take a lot of effort for Nintendo to regain the hardcore market. To be perfectly honest I really doubt they will manage to do it, at least this coming generation. Sadly, they did a lot to position themselves as the console for young or casual gamers (whether they intended it or not) that I think it'll be very hard for them to revert it, they can't do it overnight.
Sadly? They played it incredibly smart. They targeted the system to everyone, not just a small demographic of gamers (some of whom think they're better than everyone else). It had something for everyone. In the end it was what you made of it. Granted, I only brought a Wii for Twilight Princess, Other M (which I could care less about now thanks to a conversation I had a few months back), Prime 3, Skyward Sword, and a bunch of other games I can't remember right now. As long as they keep to that demographic with just that little bit of extra oomph they'll be just as dandy as they are now.

I remember when practically everyone and their mothers swore the Wii wouldn't go anywhere at all, that it was doomed against the likes of the 360 and PS3. And look where we are today. :lol:
 
It will take a lot of effort for Nintendo to regain the hardcore market. To be perfectly honest I really doubt they will manage to do it, at least this coming generation. Sadly, they did a lot to position themselves as the console for young or casual gamers (whether they intended it or not) that I think it'll be very hard for them to revert it, they can't do it overnight.

The money isn't in the hardcore market though; that is a very, very small slice of the pie. And most hardcore gamers are on the PC, XBOX and PS3 are still for those that are rather casual players.
 
The money isn't in the hardcore market though; that is a very, very small slice of the pie. And most hardcore gamers are on the PC, XBOX and PS3 are still for those that are rather casual players.

I would have to disagree that hardcore players are on the PC, the PC gaming market is a shadow of what it used to be and I would say its almost an extreme niche. PC's sales are tumbling as people buy laptops and tablets and switch to consoles for gaming which are affordable, have a better range of titles and last longer without upgrading.

Also developers are putting all their efforts into the console versions and the PC versions are cobbled together, sometimes by other dev's and are often buggy. Many games don't even get a PC release these days. All the hardcore gamers I know switched to console gaming ages ago especially because the online is so much better.

Call Of Duty Black Ops is considered a hardcore gamer game (its certainly not Wii Fit!) and its the one of the highest grossing games of all time so the money is very much in the hardcore market as well as the casual market.

Robin.
 
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Call Of Duty Black Ops is considered a hardcore gamer game (its certainly not Wii Fit!) and its the one of the highest grossing games of all time so the money is very much in the hardcore market as well as the casual market.

Robin.

Games?! Depending on how one does the maths it had the highest grossing individual entertainment release of all time (film, music, games, etc).

Ninty did very well for themselves with the Wii no doubt, but I completely agree that for one to suggest the only good money to be made lies in the "casual" market is a little off the mark.
 
Call Of Duty Black Ops is considered a hardcore gamer game (its certainly not Wii Fit!) and its the one of the highest grossing games of all time so the money is very much in the hardcore market as well as the casual market.

Robin.

I'd hardly call Black Ops "hardcore." It is a dumbed down tactical shooter that is just full of crap. Most CoD players are "bros" that honestly don't know much more about gaming that what was presented with the development of Halo and so on.

Though it could just be a difference in the definition of "hardcore," where I define it long standing gamers that have see generations of consoles and systems for the PC and more or less don't associate with the "bro" gamer mindset that Halo and CoD generated.

That, and the most money at the professional level of gaming is still tied up in PC games.
 

I'd hardly call Black Ops "hardcore." It is a dumbed down tactical shooter that is just full of crap. Most CoD players are "bros" that honestly don't know much more about gaming that what was presented with the development of Halo and so on.

Fair enough but from the viewpoint of the gaming analysts, who all seem to discuss video gaming as separated into one of two camps, seeing things through their eyes is CoD more "hardcore" or "casual?" Regarding the terms that perspective is more where I'm commenting from, and not that it is "right" just that it is the way it is.
 
I never liked the branding gaming has now. None of this crap was an issue in the 80's or 90's...it was just as simple as some people played more than others, or took on a more competitive role (pro gaming). Now it's all "If you don't play X and Y then this console isn't for you. Fun isn't enough to justify the asking price."

As for CoD, that went downhill for me after 2.
 
Well, we'll see what big N has to offer in its new system. I bought an NES on release, an N64 on release and a Gamecube on release and currently own an SNES(Super Castlevania IV, Contra III, Super Mario World and Yoshi Island still get playtime today). While the Wii has games I enjoy, it never struck me as a system I needed to purchase and definately not for the price they're asking(even til this day).

I used to be a big fan of Nintendo, I'm still somewhat of a fan(I enjoy seeing them succeed). I just lost interest in owning their hardware after the N64 and Gamecube. I wasn't impressed with the Wii overall and so far with the leaked information on the big N's new hardware/features, that hasn't changed.

June/E3 will indeed be intriguing.
 
Oh, there is no doubt that Nintendo hit the nail in the head with the Wii, I will not argue with that. They did play it incredibly smart, and although my opinion is that the Wii does not compete directly with neither the Xbox or PS3, they dominate the market they cater to whereas the Xbox and PS3 both fight for the same market.

And when I said sadly I meant for a gamer like myself. I too grew up with the original NES and that is what got me into gaming, I have some great (and also frustrating) memories with it, but like someone here very accurately said, the games felt increasingly stale as the industry evolved. I played awesome, challenging games like the original Mario Bros., Castlevania, Battletoads, you name it. I had an original brick Gameboy, NES and SNES, but when the Playstation came out, it was an obvious choice for me and I never looked back.

Having said that I do think that due to their recent strategies, products and niche markets, it will be difficult (at the very least) for Nintendo to regain the hardcore (or casual leaning to hardcore) market.

This is, of course, my opinion.
 
You could be on to something regardless. They could struggle with third-party support but is it really Nintendo's fault for said support not wanting to tap in to the potential the Wii had and still does? The way I'm looking at it the developers might have been intrigued by what the console has to offer but might have found it too gimmicky for their own good.

My solution would be this: have them (Nintendo) branch off into multiple in-house studios. If they won't come to you then do it yourself and make them come to you. Dreamcast may have pioneered online multiplayer for consoles, but the Xbox took it 2, 3 steps further. That's what Nintendo needs: something that sets them apart from the other two, something that's incredibly intriguing. They already have it...they just aren't doing right by it.
 
That's something I never gave any thought to... I don't think I've even heard of any Nintendo in-house studios. Do they have any? What kind of exclusives does Nintendo have? I can only think of the classics: Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, Punch-out, Metroid. Would be interesting to see if they ever release any exclusives a la Halo or Uncharted, but I just can't picture it.
 
Metroid is a fairly good exclusive title set aimed at older players. Honestly, Halo is so over rated it isn't even funny.
 
Was just an example. I don't particularly like it, but Halo is one of the biggest Xbox exclusives, as is Uncharted for the PS3.
 
That's something I never gave any thought to... I don't think I've even heard of any Nintendo in-house studios. Do they have any? What kind of exclusives does Nintendo have? I can only think of the classics: Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Star Fox, Punch-out, Metroid. Would be interesting to see if they ever release any exclusives a la Halo or Uncharted, but I just can't picture it.

Apparently they already have multiple in-house studios. (Taken from Wiki)


So now I feel like I'm faced with a quandary of sorts; they have enough to work with but they need to strengthen where these studios direct their efforts. Retro is fine as is (they should have been onboard for Other M), and looking at the rest there's plenty of potential there. I think they should take their idea of party games and make something new out of it.
 
Oh, there is no doubt that Nintendo hit the nail in the head with the Wii, I will not argue with that. They did play it incredibly smart, and although my opinion is that the Wii does not compete directly with neither the Xbox or PS3, they dominate the market they cater to whereas the Xbox and PS3 both fight for the same market.

And when I said sadly I meant for a gamer like myself. I too grew up with the original NES and that is what got me into gaming, I have some great (and also frustrating) memories with it, but like someone here very accurately said, the games felt increasingly stale as the industry evolved. I played awesome, challenging games like the original Mario Bros., Castlevania, Battletoads, you name it. I had an original brick Gameboy, NES and SNES, but when the Playstation came out, it was an obvious choice for me and I never looked back.

Having said that I do think that due to their recent strategies, products and niche markets, it will be difficult (at the very least) for Nintendo to regain the hardcore (or casual leaning to hardcore) market.

This is, of course, my opinion.

sure they had the hardcore gamer market - in the late 80's, early 90's. Then those kids went to high school and college. I think during the NES/SNES heyday the gamers were much more hardcore than the games that were available at the time. Tecmo Bowl got me and my friends worked up, sure, but I'd hardly call it hardcore.

I think Nintendo is content to stay within an age bracket (for the most part) instead of evolving with their original supporters.
 
I like Nintendo and I want this to be good. What I hate though is this HD thing that gets thrown around. HD is just a marketing name and before the name was thought up, HD gaming as it is known now was already available on the PC, and the current HD gaming on consoles is actually not very "high definition", flashy with cool effects but certaintly not highly defined.

In other words its all a load of ****.

/rant

As for Nintendo games, I don't think its that they aimed for a particular age market, I think its more that games evolved with time into more mature and violent or serious genres. Nintendo's biggest sellers are Mario, Pokemon and possibly Zelda, all of which are great games that can be enjoyed by all ages, I don't think they are really aimed at any particular age group.

Modern games like Call of Duty are aimed at the 18-30 age group, by because of that reason they are then attractive to younger audiences, my Nephew is 12 years old and has been playing the games aimed at older people for years.
 
HD is just a marketing name..

Except that it isn't.

...and before the name was thought up, HD gaming as it is known now was already available on the PC
You're confusing an actual digital standard with scalable resolutions. There's a difference.

and the current HD gaming on consoles is actually not very "high definition", flashy with cool effects but certaintly not highly defined.
What?

In other words its all a load of ****.
No, 3D is a load. High definition isn't a gimmick.
 
I like Nintendo and I want this to be good. What I hate though is this HD thing that gets thrown around. HD is just a marketing name and before the name was thought up, HD gaming as it is known now was already available on the PC, and the current HD gaming on consoles is actually not very "high definition", flashy with cool effects but certaintly not highly defined.

You realize HD just means the 720p and 1080p standards these days? It has nothing to do with the actual graphics used in game. My biggest with the Wii was it was 480p at best and thus looked like crap on any 1080p TV.
 
You realize HD just means the 720p and 1080p standards these days? It has nothing to do with the actual graphics used in game. My biggest with the Wii was it was 480p at best and thus looked like crap on any 1080p TV.

All you did was confirm what I said. Those resolutions were already available on the PC before the term HD was ever thrown around. Didnt see many people 10 years ago going around saying "hey bro you seen my HD computer?"

I know what the marketing term of HD is, which is exactly what my point is when talking about the graphics in a game. Console games run low resolutions with blurry images, pretty much the opposite of the literal meaning of high definition.



All the above posts have done is agree with me while trying to argue against me.
 
All you did was confirm what I said. Those resolutions were already available on the PC before the term HD was ever thrown around. Didnt see many people 10 years ago going around saying "hey bro you seen my HD computer?"

I know what the marketing term of HD is, which is exactly what my point is when talking about the graphics in a game. Console games run low resolutions with blurry images, pretty much the opposite of the literal meaning of high definition.



All the above posts have done is agree with me while trying to argue against me.

You sir, are right.
 
All you did was confirm what I said. Those resolutions were already available on the PC before the term HD was ever thrown around. Didnt see many people 10 years ago going around saying "hey bro you seen my HD computer?"

I know what the marketing term of HD is, which is exactly what my point is when talking about the graphics in a game. Console games run low resolutions with blurry images, pretty much the opposite of the literal meaning of high definition..

Umm, what in the hell are you on about? You talked about graphics at first, and the PS3 has numerous games that run at 1080p, which, you know, is 1920x1080 and thus the standard for all but 27" cinema displays. And those generally use IPS which has a slow refresh rate anyhow. Honestly, you sound like you have no idea what you are actually talking about if you think consoles are all running low resolution graphics.

PC gaming tends to cost more to maintain the same graphical levels. I've been system building for 15 years now and PC gaming for 20, and I honestly don't think the PC platform is the way to go anymore outside of a few games, and that is mostly because of how developers limit the use of the Mouse and Keyboard on consoles, rather than the graphics.
 
Umm, what in the hell are you on about? You talked about graphics at first, and the PS3 has numerous games that run at 1080p, which, you know, is 1920x1080 and thus the standard for all but 27" cinema displays. And those generally use IPS which has a slow refresh rate anyhow. Honestly, you sound like you have no idea what you are actually talking about if you think consoles are all running low resolution graphics.

PC gaming tends to cost more to maintain the same graphical levels. I've been system building for 15 years now and PC gaming for 20, and I honestly don't think the PC platform is the way to go anymore outside of a few games, and that is mostly because of how developers limit the use of the Mouse and Keyboard on consoles, rather than the graphics.

Consoles run upscaled images, stretching a low res image does not make it high res. Graphically if i compare 2 of the same games on a PC and console i can get a much cleaner clearer crisper picture from 1680x1050 than whatever my playstation 3 is outputting. PC's have been capable of higher than 1920x1080 with the right monitor for over 10 years.


My whole point is that HD is a marketing term used to sell products, its meaning is 720p/1080p as you have said but when used in the world of gaming it does not always point to high definition, especially when used in the world of consoles with their blurry images and low res graphics.

I bought my PS3 for Gran Turismo 5, a game that has been praised for its graphics, running it on a 24inch samsung gaming monitor with a HD port. I loved the detail on the cars but when I hit the track i had a slap in the face of the reality of console gaming, everything appeared blurred and I actually thought something was wrong, but after a bit of poking around it just seemed that my eyes needed to adjust to the difference after years of mostly PC gaming.

The same was true when my nephew brought his Xbox 360 to the house, he had that plugged in on the HD television in my front room, and just as I noticed with the playstation, he was playing COD Black ops and to me it had that same blurryness.


Now.. opinion here, you don't have to agree.


I think the whole HD thing is a load of nonsense, considering that years before HD was a marketed and common term the technology was available and in use in the world of PC's, it was never something you thought about because it didnt really matter, it only mattered when HD TV came out, consoles jumped on the marketing bandwagon. I don't like it because it doesn't mean anything, should I assume that "HD Console from Nintendo" is to mean they will release a console with blurry images much like the PS3 and Xbox?


With HD : TV i got it, for years we had the same quality television pictures and all of a sudden we had these new tv's showcasing video recorded specifically for it, where there was a massive different, crisp and vivid images that looked far better than what you saw on your non HD TV. But with games the only difference was another generation of consoles that were a lot better than the last generation but still nothing new as PC gaming was already ahead by time they had been released, and resolution wise some PC hardware and some games had supported it since the late 90s/early 00's.
 
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