The Devs confirmed they are working to increase the Garage limit for the next update, Which though a nice thing to have it isn't really necessary unless the plans are to eventually have more cars in the game then the current 750 car garage limit. So hopefully that means FH4 is getting several more months of updates pushing the car count past the 750 mark (currently 711 including the Owen's P1).
Fair enough. 👍
Good thing T10 and PD are both highly competent developers that churn out some pretty nice looking games. Although, with this generation I think power will be pretty useful too, especially with how we've been pretty stagnate with progress with racing games of these types. All those sacrifices and compromises that both had to make in the past will likely be non existent now.
"GT Sport still looked significantly better" in game? Hell no, not even close. In fact GTS was inferior in more ways than you think. The only parts where GTS was actually better are lighting, PBR and trees (most of the time not always), other than that things like shadows, reflections, textures, grass, car models, environment details and draw distance are much much higher quality in game in Forza Motorsport 7 than any GT so far so i don't see how its looks significantly better. And on consoles one runs native 4k60 without a drop with dynamic weather and half dynamic tod while to other one runs 1800p CB with 95% 60fps with locked tod and weather (wich is pushing more than 50% more pixels). As someone who plays them both back to back i can see big differences in visuals and cuts from both. And i play them both on there strongest platform (PS4 Pro and PC). And look what PG could do with the engine in FH4, it destroys every other racing game so far visualy speaking so the engine is icredibly capable and they are pushing it even further now with ray tracing.
The difference is Forza 7 still had to run at 1080p 60 fps on base Xbox One, both GT Sport and Forza 7 were developed with base specs in mind and most of optimization effort went there. Yeah Xbox X bumped it up to full 4k and slightly better settings here and there, but it's the same game. OG Xbox One wouldn't be able to run GT Sport at the same quality as PS 4, most likely they would have to set it at 900p and dial down some of the settings. We'll see if Lockhart throws a wrench into the situation. So far the "gameplay" shots from Forza 8 show no signs of Raytracing for example. We're already seeing a big difference in shader and lighting quality between Garage sequences and On track shots.
First off you are comparing 2 images with completely different angle, distance and lighting and than you make this bold claim "The difference is as large as between Scapes and gameplay in GT". GTS scape mode use 3 lods higher lod than the gameplay model and enhances the shadows, textures, tesselation and reflections while even in Forza 7 the Forzavista mode is using 1 lod higher wich the only difference between gameplay lod is the engine details and even then the shadows are lower resolution in Forzavista. And BTW Forza Motorsport 7 already does 4K 60 with massive tracks and 24 cars with weather on XBX. With the power of XSX i expect them to enhance the graphics with ray tracing and have fully dynamic tod and weather. And back to point one, here are examples of that "gameplay part where you didn't see ray tracing"The difference is Forza 7 still had to run at 1080p 60 fps on base Xbox One, both GT Sport and Forza 7 were developed with base specs in mind and most of optimization effort went there. Yeah Xbox X bumped it up to full 4k and slightly better settings here and there, but it's the same game. OG Xbox One wouldn't be able to run GT Sport at the same quality as PS 4, most likely they would have to set it at 900p and dial down some of the settings. We'll see if Lockhart throws a wrench into the situation. So far the "gameplay" shots from Forza 8 show no signs of Raytracing for example. We're already seeing a big difference in shader and lighting quality between Garage sequences and On track shots.
The difference is as large as between Scapes and gameplay in GT. When you throw 4k 60 fps, massive tracks, 24 opponents, detailed foliage, dynamic time and weather into the mix and I don't believe for a second that either console will have raytracing in actual on track gameplay.
This is just an "in engine" 30fps trailer, i don't think we should take it as rappresentative of the final gameFirst off you are comparing 2 images with completely different angle, distance and lighting and than you make this bold claim "The difference is as large as between Scapes and gameplay in GT". GTS scape mode use 3 lods higher lod than the gameplay model and enhances the shadows, textures, tesselation and reflections while even in Forza 7 the Forzavista mode is using 1 lod higher wich the only difference between gameplay lod is the engine details and even then the shadows are lower resolution in Forzavista. And BTW Forza Motorsport 7 already does 4K 60 with massive tracks and 24 cars with weather on XBX. With the power of XSX i expect them to enhance the graphics with ray tracing and have fully dynamic tod and weather. And back to point one, here are examples of that "gameplay part where you didn't see ray tracing"
Look at the inner side of the wing you can see self reflections (the green white are all reflections of the body because the wing itself is just carbon inside, its got even dirt etc)
and here its reflecting a little different from different angle
Here you can also see it very clearly, look at the reflection on the side window you can see the wing reflecting in it and you even see a part of the body (you can also see the wing is just black in the inner part wich proves the images here above)
again the same from little different angle and the same on the other window
I know but i was just pointing out to Simtourist that there was ray tracing in those parts of the video. Thats why i put the "the gameplay" part in "" because i know that its not gameplay. But the game gonna look close to that or even better regardless, the Forza engine got such a huge upgrades over time that what i saw in the trailer was believable and should be easily achievable. And don't forget, the base hardware for this game is not Xbox one but the Series X. This will be one of the true next gen games with no slwo hardware holding it back. But to keep it short yes its not gameplay or even running on Series X. Just a engine showcase and what they whant to achieve.
That's like using a game engine to create an animated film (an example would be that Disney Plus Star Wars show using Unreal Engine 4). If it were running on either the Series X or PC it should say "all in-game 4K (or whatever the highest possible graphics setting is) footage". Besides the Xbox Series X, they are also developing this on PC, with Windows 10 in mind.
It may have taken them time to get it in, but at the same time PD literally took it out. So how is that a plus? GT6 is an old game, lets compare what's out now to what's out now. Not things that they used to do that they just don't anymore.
You're really not coming off any better using that last comment I just pointed out. Don't let the odd post drag you down to the same level.
You actually quite literally doing exactly that.
It definitely had it's issues, but I don't really think it was outright "******." Just like PD, they both had their hurdles to overcome.
Sales don't make a game better than another game. They both apparently sell in the millions. If sales is the outright factor to determine what is the best, then the Toyota Corolla is the best car in the world, far better than anything ever because of how much it sells outright.*
Sorry child, but they actually both have their strengths. Even if there was other options, I would still likely play them both, just like I always have before.
I was mostly joking, but let’s be real. The reason people play GT is because it’s the best car collector sim on Playstation, and the reason people play FM is because it’s the best car collector sim on Xbox. If better options came along, people would drop GT and FM instantly. Just like with any other game. Only people who’d stay are rabid fanboy loyalists, but we only have to look at the deaths of games like PGR and Enthusia to see what little weight they hold in the grand scheme of game sales.
There are no equivalents to FM on PC, at least not without mods. Assetto Corsa with a Wangan mod and 6 pre-modded Japanese sports cars doesn’t really compare to 300+ individual models of 70s-90s sports cars each with the ability to upgrade and tune them as you wish.
But none are car collector sims. The last games that tried all got beat out of the market because FM and GT were simply better at it.
You can be bad at something and still be better than everyone else. The 1886 Benz Motorwagen was a terrible bit of transportation, but still a dramatic improvement over the competition.I was under the impression they were both terrible though?
Nope, but they are for other paintings that aren't the Mona Lisa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_paintings
Moving the goalposts this early on eh?
Never a good sign.
How is the fact people enjoy multiple interpretations an art form not helping my claim that people enjoy multiple interpretations of an art form?
I don’t play it because it’s a car collector sim. Nor do you get to decide what other people play it. I play it because it’s a track-based racer, it just happens to have a lot of cars. I also play other track based racers that have fewer cars. Car count, outright, doesn’t change how I’m playing a game. There are other options for me to choose and I still haven’t dropped Forza or GT.
I enjoy quite a bit different fighting games, actually. MK is not the top for me, whatsoever.
No, but Forza isn’t in a genre called car collecting. It’s a racing game. A track-based one at that. That it happens to have a large amount of cars doesn’t change that. That you only play to collect cars doesn’t change that. To collect the cars you have to race on the track, and Forza or GT are not the only games that do that.
Yes, you basically are. Why not just talk about fighting games in general. Why are you trying to be so specific? What is a MK knock off anyway?
You’re not aware of any track-based racers? No wonder you’re arguing the point.
