It's funny what people resort to posting when they have nothing to actually back up what they say. Ironically enough, that ET statement fits perfectly with what your whole argument stemmed from. Try not to project so much You wanted to dictate what people do with these games, I'm offering up evidence why you're clearly wrong - because you don't get to decide that, whatsoever. Forza Motorsport and Gran Turismo are track-based racing games - It is not the only racing game available to purchase, there are others but they just don't have the same amount of content as this game. That this game(and GT) does, doesn't take away from the fact that it's still a racing game first and foremost. We have other choices that do other things better than these two and that hasn't stopped me from playing them, like you stated everyone did. It's pretty simple. No it's not, and no they weren't GT always tends to hit the barain bin fairly quick, dropping it's prices indefinitely to a fraction of what they were at launch, and always usually pretty fast. Forza retains it's higher price for a much longer time. It's actually a pretty fitting comparison because. No they really don't. Sales numbers do nothing for consumers. A game can be great that sold way less than a game another game in it's genre, sales don't decide that. Drive Club didn't sell crazy in comparison to these giants, but it was arguably one of the best simcade racers as of late. Means absolutely nothing. You said outright sales determine what's good, and that sells the most. So by your argument, the Corolla trumps everything in the world, even cars in it's own category and class. Everything. Thing is, even for cars that are priced similarly, what is the best to you is, guess what, personal interpretation, not the amount it sold. There are going to be some cars that do other things better than the Corolla, and that makes for a good comparison to these games. They both offer something very good, and are both good in their own right no matter which one sold so much more. No, it fits pretty well. It's all about compromises, they overshot during the PS3 generation and those instances didn't pan out to good with the hardware they had available. They then seemingly targeted stability and performance when it came to the PS4. It makes sense exactly why they did it. No, that's exactly what you did. The latter of this comment doesn't change that. You brought in sales as to why it's better - that's a defense. You brought in features that don't even exist in GT anymore - that's a defense. I agree that FM4 was the high point of the series, but I feel it picked up with FM7. Now I'm just hoping the extra time they are putting into it for the next iteration turns out to be substantial and worthwhile. Did I ever say you did?