Nissan vs. Toyota

[ANFD]

If you sell enough cars like they have, you can afford to spend bucketloads on motorsport. 👍


Yeah, they don't have much, apart from all the time spent on motorsport in the past 37 YEARS! and the numerous titles and races they've won in nearly all the different categories of motorsport. Nah, not much at all. Here's some info for you....the Toyota Corolla S2000 built by Neal Bates is the FIRST S2000 car in the world to win a national rally championship, something no other manufacturer has been able to accomplish.



I'll answer that with some quotes from wikipedia.





Yeah, they were really unsuccessful. They won both titles in both CART & IRL and were not responsible for the split as you suggested as the guy who created the IRL (ie. the guys at Indy) wouldn't let CART race there. Research your 🤬 first before you make claims like you have.



I wouldn't want to, people like yourself deserve to be stuck in Kia Rio's for the rest of their lives.

Oooooh Wikepedia, ooooh. I guess I struck a Toyota fanboy's nerve I won't go into too much detail in response. Suffice it to say, you did not mention the secret, behind closed doors meetings between Toyota and the CART management of the time. Toyota had been working on a normally aspirated engine for 2 years. Since they had no success up to that point in beating Honda, they convinced the CART management (in secret) to change the engine spec from the turbo engine to a spec that matched their engine. That was the only way they were ever going to beat Honda. When all the other manufacturers found out about it, they naturally bolted, Honda, Ford, Mercedes etc. CART management immediately reversed their decision and said they'd go back to the turbo spec, but by that time, it was too late. That is actually what led to the demise of the CART series. Toyota bought their way into Chip Ganasi's team after 4 championships with Hondas. They left CART because they got beat on a regular basis, they left the IRL because they got beat on a regular basis and they left Formula 1 because they got beat on a regular basis.

I didn't say that they had no history in racing. Granted, with the money they've spent, they've had some presence and some success. They just aren't my favorite as you can tell. Maybe you can tell me why Toyota pumped millions of dollars into Yamaha Marine when that industry was making the switch from the 2-stroke engines of yesteryear to the cleaner 4-stroke engines of today ? Simply because of their jealousy of Honda

Like most of what is posted in these forums, it represents personal opinion. There is no need to make personal attacks as you did on the individual.

 

[McLaren]

I picked Ford.

I picked Honda.

SRV2LOW4ME, did you just say that Nissan has reliable gearboxes??........ Tell the R35 owners that they have a reliable gearbox. Oooh, I can't use Launch Control because it will break my gearbox at WOT within 10 runs. Just today (well, now yesterday...it's 1am here), I got a call from a mate asking for my Nissan connections to source cheap driveline parts (clutch, gearbox) for an S15. A lot of drifters of S15's swap back to S14 gearboxes because the S15's is weak, very weak.

*Waits for niky to explain why this is utter nonsense again*

 

[Jim Prower]

Oooooh Wikepedia, ooooh. I guess I struck a Toyota fanboy's nerve I won't go into too much detail in response. Suffice it to say, you did not mention the secret, behind closed doors meetings between Toyota and the CART management of the time. Toyota had been working on a normally aspirated engine for 2 years. Since they had no success up to that point in beating Honda, they convinced the CART management (in secret) to change the engine spec from the turbo engine to a spec that matched their engine. That was the only way they were ever going to beat Honda. When all the other manufacturers found out about it, they naturally bolted, Honda, Ford, Mercedes etc. CART management immediately reversed their decision and said they'd go back to the turbo spec, but by that time, it was too late. That is actually what led to the demise of the CART series. Toyota bought their way into Chip Ganasi's team after 4 championships with Hondas. They left CART because they got beat on a regular basis, they left the IRL because they got beat on a regular basis and they left Formula 1 because they got beat on a regular basis.

I didn't say that they had no history in racing. Granted, with the money they've spent, they've had some presence and some success. They just aren't my favorite as you can tell. Maybe you can tell me why Toyota pumped millions of dollars into Yamaha Marine when that industry was making the switch from the 2-stroke engines of yesteryear to the cleaner 4-stroke engines of today ? Simply because of their jealousy of Honda

Like most of what is posted in these forums, it represents personal opinion. There is no need to make personal attacks as you did on the individual.

I'd be cautious about how you state your "opinion," especially about the CART/IRL split. If you weren't in the boardroom at that moment, and can't prove that Toyota was involved, then I'd suggest either adding "I think" to the start of a few paragraphs, or leaving your conspiracy theories for Fox News or something.

You DON'T want to end up like a certain member who was rather passionate about Audi/SEAT, claimed to have "Inside Sources," and once claimed the GT-R ran its Nurburgring lap on cut slicks.

 

[ANFD]

All of this dialog was reported years ago on SPEED by Robin Miller.

 

[Jim Prower]

Prove it.

 

[mafia_boy]

Not to mention WRC before the S2000 stuff...

When ever I think of Toyota motorsport I think of Rally and not this S2000 rubbish either.

I didn't mention WRC because Toyota hasn't been in there for the past 10yrs. The S2000 car is the car they've developed for the 2010 WRC.

Don't take peoples comments about a brand you like so personal

I love MOST cars, don't get me wrong Jay, but to hear that crap spewed about Toyota was a case of "give me a break!" and felt compelled to respond as such.

Oooooh Wikepedia, ooooh. I guess I struck a Toyota fanboy's nerve

No, I just respond to people who spew BS about Toyota's involvement in motor sports.

I won't go into too much detail in response. Suffice it to say, you did not mention the secret, behind closed doors meetings between Toyota and the CART management of the time. Toyota had been working on a normally aspirated engine for 2 years. Since they had no success up to that point in beating Honda, they convinced the CART management (in secret) to change the engine spec from the turbo engine to a spec that matched their engine. That was the only way they were ever going to beat Honda. When all the other manufacturers found out about it, they naturally bolted, Honda, Ford, Mercedes etc. CART management immediately reversed their decision and said they'd go back to the turbo spec, but by that time, it was too late. That is actually what led to the demise of the CART series. Toyota bought their way into Chip Ganasi's team after 4 championships with Hondas. They left CART because they got beat on a regular basis, they left the IRL because they got beat on a regular basis and they left Formula 1 because they got beat on a regular basis.

Like Jim Prower says, prove it.

I didn't say that they had no history in racing. Granted, with the money they've spent, they've had some presence and some success. They just aren't my favorite as you can tell.

If you look way back to when Ove Anderrson was racing back in the 1970's, Toyota pumped almost ZERO cash into his team. His commitment to Toyota was rewarded many years later by becoming the boss of TTE (Toyota Team Europe, the guys behind the WRC cars).

Maybe you can tell me why Toyota pumped millions of dollars into Yamaha Marine when that industry was making the switch from the 2-stroke engines of yesteryear to the cleaner 4-stroke engines of today ? Simply because of their jealousy of Honda

WRONG. Toyota & Yamaha have had a working relationship for nearly 40yrs! See most Toyota's with a -GE head?? That's because Yamaha designed a lot of the twin cam heads over the years (18R-G, 2T-G, 3T-G, 4A-GE, etc.) but you seem clouded to that fact...actually your response just reeks of Honda-fanboyism.

Like most of what is posted in these forums, it represents personal opinion. There is no need to make personal attacks as you did on the individual.

When did I do a PERSONAL attack?? If I did I would've called you a direct name which is in violation of the AUP and I didn't anything of the such.....read the AUP and learn it before you call me out on it.

*Waits for niky to explain why this is utter nonsense again*

Yes, I know the gearbox is covered under warranty......now. It wasn't when they brought it out and people were blowing them left right and centre and had to force court action to get Nissan to change their tune.

 

[Leonidae]

left, right and center? there were less than 20 of them in US.. unlike Porsche boxsters and their famous engine issues..

 

[Gil]

Look guys, it's cars. Not Sisters or Mammas.

My ten year old Toyota is a good car. Not a great one.

My nine year old Honda is a good car. Not a great one.

Frankly for the street, there are a LOT of very good cars.
Unfortunately there are very few great cars.

I'll take some heat for my opinion. But I realize it's just that. My opinion.
So Nissan made a very powerful car with a weak ass gear box. Damn-Good car that's a decent gearbox away from greatness.

So Toyota, stopped giving a damn about motorsports. They did have a lot of years of JD Power awards for making reliable cars.
They currently turn out daily commuter cars with no soul by the boat load. Again good cars, that are soulless. Greatness avoided once again.

I could go on and on....

 

[Murcie_LP640]

Never owned a Toyota but I've always seen them as dull and dreary cars, with of course the exception of the Supra, MR2, and Celica. And the mighty Sprinter Trueno. That opinion was accentuated further when I was tasked with driving my grandma's Avalon Advantage. Comfortable but absolutely rubbish to drive.

Have owned a fair few Nissans though, none of them seeked repair shops in the time we've owned them and were all pretty fun to drive. First we had a U13 Bluebird SSS/Altima, then a GQ Patrol/Ford Maverick, a later year GQ Patrol shortly after that, and finally a couple of years ago the R31 Skyline which I now own and use as my daily driver.

For long-distance cruisers Toyota is the better make, although the R31 is surprisingly comfortable on long trips and cruises effortlessly. Nissan make the better driver's cars though. Godzilla, the Z-Cars, the G-series, Pulsar SSS and GTi-R, 180/200SX, need I go on?

For the purpose of this poll though I chose Nissan because I prefer driver's cars over long-distance cruisers. And possibly because I own one....lol.

 

[mafia_boy]

Never owned a Toyota but I've always seen them as dull and dreary cars, with of course the exception of the Supra, MR2, and Celica. That opinion was accentuated further when I was tasked with driving my grandma's Avalon Advantage. Comfortable but absolutely rubbish to drive.

If you've driven an Avalon, I feel for you....even as a Toyota man, I consider them to be the worst atrocity that Toyota has EVER created!

Have owned a fair few Nissans though, none of them seeked repair shops in the time we've owned them and were all pretty fun to drive. First we had a U13 Bluebird SSS/Altima, then a GQ Patrol/Ford Maverick, a later year GQ Patrol shortly after that, and finally a couple of years ago the R31 Skyline which I now own and use as my daily driver.

Patrol = BORING but bulletproof, those motors run forever like Landcruisers do. 👍 Bluebird = ULTRA BORING.....unless you're talking about a proper U13 AWD version.

For long-distance cruisers Toyota is the better make, although the R31 is surprisingly comfortable on long trips and cruises effortlessly. Nissan make the better driver's cars though. Godzilla, the Z-Cars, the G-series, Pulsar SSS and GTi-R, 180/200SX, need I go on?

Pulsar SSS, a better drivers car than a Supra, Soarer, Chaser, Aristo, Celica or Corolla?? The R31 is only good when it's the GTS-R or GTS-X, otherwise it's as boring as a stock V6 Commodore. The S series (S13/14/15) are nothing but drift pigs that can't keep traction once 200Kw@wheels or more goes through them, the Z cars follow those same routes aswell (but need 300Kw@wheels for the same result) as the G series. And don't get me started about the 1000's of tools in GTS-t's that THINK that their cars are Godzilla's only to get spanked by any decent turbo car and the SSS is for all the 'fully sick yulleh' crowd that hang around Macca's acting like morons.

The only Nissan's I'll actually respect are Godzilla and baby Godzilla (GT-R & GTi-R).

 

[buickgnx88]

Guys guys guys (and gals if there are any here )...um...you're gonna get this thread locked if you keep fighting! (which you of course will) BTW, I voted Nissan. I've always had a soft spot for the 1st and 2nd gen (up to 2001) Pathfinders.

 

[Jay]

I love MOST cars, don't get me wrong Jay, but to hear that crap spewed about Toyota was a case of "give me a break!" and felt compelled to respond as such.

So you throw it on thick yourself in response?

 

[a6m5]

Many seems to be judging by what type of cars they produce today. If that was what I'm voting on, I'd go with Nissan without a hesitation. OK, I love Lexus, so I lied.

HOWEVER, since most of the vehicles mentioned in this argument in the original post are from the 70's, I'm gonna say that this is for all-time. I like both. Some of my favorite cars & trucks are from these two makes. 👍

 

[mafia_boy]

If we include the '70's, like I said previously....gimme a Datto 1600 and a TA22 Celica, one of each thanks. 👍 You can add Datto 1000 & 1200 + KE20 & KE30 Corolla to those lists. They are ALL icons and to tell you the truth, I love all of those that I just mentioned. It's the newer ones that cause the fanboyism between us as some people think Godzilla is the best thing since sliced bread.

And Jay, if it's laid as thick as it was, then yes I'm going to lay it back just as thick...and to tell you, I could've gone further but let it be at that. And buickgnx, we're ALL putting points down about why this and that is good (be it Nissan OR Toyota) for the entire subject at hand because it's actually pointing out the good (and sometimes the bad, ie. Avalon) about each brand.

 

[a6m5]

It's the newer ones that cause the fanboyism between us as some people think Godzilla is the best thing since sliced bread.

Don't get me wrong, I love my boys on the gtplanet. But when it comes to new Toyotas, some blatantly become one of those (really bad)fanboys from the console wars or something.

I remember, even when Toyota was kicking everybody's butts, because they made boring cars, guys here flamed Toyota. My stance has been that while I like some Toyotas like the xB/bB, Lexus LS, etc., they are getting boring, BUT, they are making bank. Isn't that the point? Yes, they can do better by pleasing the enthusiasts too, but they were financially responsible. Their cars have no souls? Please save it. Don't make me laugh.

If they should be hating on anybody, how about Chrysler? GM? Maybe even Ford. They make cool cars, oh, great. But two of them ran their companies into the ground, and while Ford came out OK, that's because they were only smart enough to hire Mulally, and LUCKY enough to make the move when they did. Just before the recession. They secured enough capital(borrowed a lot) before the banks started going out of business.

If enthusiasts feel betrayed by Toyota, that I can understand. But I could never understand posting so much hate on a car maker, an corporation, that's pushing their car sales.

 

[mafia_boy]

Don't get me wrong, I love my boys on the gtplanet. But when it comes to new Toyotas, some blatantly become one of those (really bad)fanboys from the console wars or something.

Touche. I can say the same for Nissan fans.

I remember, even when Toyota was kicking everybody's butts, because they made boring cars, guys here flamed Toyota. My stance has been that while I like some Toyotas like the xB/bB, Lexus LS, etc., they are getting boring, BUT, they are making bank. Isn't that the point? Yes, they can do better by pleasing the enthusiasts too, but they were financially responsible. Their cars have no souls? Please save it. Don't make me laugh.

That's what I'm getting at....they do have some soulless cars (like the Yaris and Camry), but the ones that grab your nuts and twist them off are what we should focus on and there are more than one or two around, it's just that people usually focus on the Supra and Celica.

If enthusiasts feel betrayed by Toyota, that I can understand. But I could never understand posting so much hate on a car maker, an corporation, that's pushing their car sales.

That's another thing, I don't feel betrayed by them because they are still the #2 car maker in the world behind VW (since VW took their title just recently) and they are bringing out one of the best cars for enthusiasts in years, the FT-86, but people seem to forget that little fact.

 

[Paulie]

Toyota Sports Cars > Nissan Sports Cars
What Toyota is today < What Nissan is today
Toyota Fanboys are more obnoxious than Nissan fanboys (you know, the whole Toyotas are the most reliable, unbreakable, awesome machines on Earth thing gets old really fast, especially coming from someone who owns a Corolla which has the bonnet up pretty much every day )
What Toyota is becoming again > What Nissan's immediate future looks like (Cars like the LF-A, FT86 vs rumours that the next gen GT-R will be a hybrid).

It's a tough call.

 

[homeforsummer]

I didn't mention WRC because Toyota hasn't been in there for the past 10yrs. The S2000 car is the car they've developed for the 2010 WRC.

True, but in a debate about all Toyotas versus all Nissans, the old WRC cars are still relevant 👍

Toyota Sports Cars > Nissan Sports Cars
What Toyota is today < What Nissan is today

At the moment out of the UK ranges, it'd be like this:

Small cars: Toyota (iQ, Aygo, Yaris all preferable to Pixo, Micra, Note)
Family cars: Toyota (begrudgingly pick the Auris, Urban Cruiser, Prius and Avensis over the automotive white good that is the Qashqai - Nissan has a pitiful family range at the moment, just two different variants of the Qashqai)
SUV/SAV: Draw (I really like Nissan's Murano, but their SUVs and pickups fail next to Toyota's Landcruiser and the Hilux pickups)
Sports: Nissan (Toyota don't offer anything sporty in the UK at the moment, so the 370Z and R35 win automatically)

I make that a win for Toyota overall, but from a car enthusiast point of view Nissan have to win. I still prefer Toyotas slightly though.

And as mentioned before, I'd not pick either brand over Mazda or Honda.

 

[Murcie_LP640]

If you've driven an Avalon, I feel for you....even as a Toyota man, I consider them to be the worst atrocity that Toyota has EVER created!

Completely agree. And from what I've read/heard of its replacement the Aurion wasn't much better either.

Patrol = BORING but bulletproof, those motors run forever like Landcruisers do. 👍 Bluebird = ULTRA BORING.....unless you're talking about a proper U13 AWD version.

Ah yes the ATTESA LTD. No sadly ours wasn't one and possibly even worse, it was burgandy , but it wasn't THAT bad.

Pulsar SSS, a better drivers car than a Supra, Soarer, Chaser, Aristo, Celica or Corolla??

Only really compares with the Corolla. And without bias towards either of them, which would you rather have?

The R31 is only good when it's the GTS-R or GTS-X, otherwise it's as boring as a stock V6 Commodore.

Agreed on the GTS-R/X, but I wasn't actually comparing my GXE against anything else. I was just stating that I own one.

The S series (S13/14/15) are nothing but drift pigs that can't keep traction once 200Kw@wheels or more goes through them, the Z cars follow those same routes aswell (but need 300Kw@wheels for the same result) as the G series.

So then just leave them stock. Simple.

And don't get me started about the 1000's of tools in GTS-t's that THINK that their cars are Godzilla's only to get spanked by any decent turbo car

Hehe, 'nuff said...

and the SSS is for all the 'fully sick yulleh' crowd that hang around Macca's acting like morons.

Nope, you seem to have them confused with JAFOC (aka Common-*****) owners. In fact there's one that lives just down the road from me who is trying to make me believe that he's a got a twin turbo system on his Berlina.

 

[mafia_boy]

Completely agree. And from what I've read/heard of its replacement the Aurion wasn't much better either.

Actually, the Aurion's a LOT better than the Avalon it replaced. I had one as a hire car for 4 days when I went to Brisbane a couple of months back, very smooth power delivery and can go pretty fast too (I won't say how fast, needless to say it was over 100km/h. ) I consider it a FWD Cressida though, with the worst "handbrake" position in the world, you actually used your foot to put it on.

Ah yes the ATTESA LTD. No sadly ours wasn't one and possibly even worse, it was burgandy , but it wasn't THAT bad.

My aunt owns one aswell, and I consider that to be a bucket...it was green though.

Only really compares with the Corolla. And without bias towards either of them, which would you rather have?

SSS vs Corolla Sportivo, I'd pick Sportivo ANY DAY!

Nope, you seem to have them confused with JAFOC (aka Common-*****) owners. In fact there's one that lives just down the road from me who is trying to make me believe that he's a got a twin turbo system on his Berlina.

Oh, the JAFOC's are common in Sydney too....but the SSS owners are 100 times worse. Usually driven by tools and packed full of tools, part of a convoy of three cars full of tools.

 

[Murcie_LP640]

Actually, the Aurion's a LOT better than the Avalon it replaced. I had one as a hire car for 4 days when I went to Brisbane a couple of months back, very smooth power delivery and can go pretty fast too (I won't say how fast, needless to say it was over 100km/h. ) I consider it a FWD Cressida though, with the worst "handbrake" position in the world, you actually used your foot to put it on.

Well yeah it's got 200kW so I'm not surprised that it goes quick. But the strange emergency brake placement was an Avalon thing as well. When I was driving the Avalon I kept on reaching down to where I'd normally find the S'Line's handbrake only to find that I was grabbing thin air. A very loud "WHAT THE ****?!?!" and frantic searching followed.

 

[Jim Prower]

Well, the Avalon IS an American-market car. As such, I'm not surprised it has the (STUPID, STUPID!) Foot-operated handbrake.

Sadly, we still have it. I think we'd enjoy the Aurion much more than the Camry or Avalon. Sounds like a FWD musclecar, particularly in TRD form.

 

[mafia_boy]

Well yeah it's got 200kW so I'm not surprised that it goes quick. But the strange emergency brake placement was an Avalon thing as well. When I was driving the Avalon I kept on reaching down to where I'd normally find the S'Line's handbrake only to find that I was grabbing thin air. A very loud "WHAT THE ****?!?!" and frantic searching followed.

I had the same experience when I left the hire car place. Took a couple of minutes because I'd never seen that crap before!

Jim, the Aurion is a decent car, much better than the Avalon or Camry. If it was RWD I might've traded the Cressida in on one.

 

[Eric.]

Hate current Toyota. Love current Nissan.

Loved 80's and 90's Toyota. Liked Nissans.


Basically, I really liked the Celica, loved the first gen MR2, and the third gen to an extent. And of course the Supra's got it's place. But now what have they got for an enthusiast? Some sort of Scion that needs quite a bit of work to start moving fast, a Corolla S (), or like a Camry Sport? Not to mention their quality has slacked off a lot from what I've heard. Not that it affects sales because the new buyers are the ones who had/heard about their friend's Corolla hitting 386k miles and finally wrecking it.

As for older Nissans, I've liked nearly every Z, really like a well-done 510, and I think that the KPGC10 GT-R (did I get that right this time?) is one of the coolest cars of its time (but I can't really count that because we don't have them or other Skylines here). Through the 80s and 90s they didn't do much for me. The Zs were okay, but they aren't something that jump to mind of a personal top ten list. Skip to today and Nissan's whole car lineup is very solid looking. The Sentra looks good, whether or not it is or not I'm not certain. The new Maxima has a very serious sports-sedan look. The Altima is getting a little dated, but it never looked bad anyhow. Both of their main sedans have a good chunk of power from the drop-in-anything VQ V6. And then there's the 370Z, which I'd love to have as my next car (or perhaps its successor - I'm secretly hoping that they get a 4.5L V8 in there with 400hp in the next 5-7 years). One of the few cars that has evolved to have more power and less weight in recent memory. Its also screaming classic Z much more than the 350Z ever did. To round it all up, the GT-R currently tops out my "I can probably afford these sports cars someday" wish list. Plenty of looks and performance anybody could ever ask for, yet almost perfectly suitable as a daily driver too. Nissan's version of the NSX formula, if you will.

Edit: And somehow left out 240s/Silvias, which I like in small enough doses. Not so much as drift cars, but cleanly modded track cars. Preferably an S13 hatch with the Type-X bodywork.

 

[Paulie]

At the moment out of the UK ranges, it'd be like this:

*snip*
Sports: Nissan (Toyota don't offer anything sporty in the UK at the moment, so the 370Z and R35 win automatically)

I make that a win for Toyota overall, but from a car enthusiast point of view Nissan have to win. I still prefer Toyotas slightly though.

And as mentioned before, I'd not pick either brand over Mazda or Honda.

Did I not mention that I always view things from a performance car/car enthusiast point of view?

I had the same experience when I left the hire car place. Took a couple of minutes because I'd never seen that crap before!

Jim, the Aurion is a decent car, much better than the Avalon or Camry. If it was RWD I might've traded the Cressida in on one.

First I saw one was in a Hyundai Grandeur, but have seen numerous more since on various Fords, including a Falcon wagon AU one time even.
Oh, if only the Aurion were RWD.

 

[mafia_boy]

First I saw one was in a Hyundai Grandeur, but have seen numerous more since on various Fords, including a Falcon wagon AU one time even.

Didn't the AU's have that same handbrake that had been there since the XD Falcon, that pull out push in one?? I seem to remember that in taxi's, but it's been so long since I've been in a cab.

Oh, if only the Aurion were RWD.

Quoted for truth. A TRD Aurion 3500SL in RWD would've been quite an awesome competitor to the Falcon XR6T. It still would've got whipped by an F6 though, and that's coming from a Toyota man, but to have that ability to change pulleys to give the supercharger somewhere near 14lbs. boost would've given it enough balls to keep up with the F6 I felt.

Too bad for you guys overseas that the Aurion's are sold exclusively in Australia, for once we get something cool that you guys don't.

 

[Paulie]

Didn't the AU's have that same handbrake that had been there since the XD Falcon, that pull out push in one?? I seem to remember that in taxi's, but it's been so long since I've been in a cab.



Quoted for truth. A TRD Aurion 3500SL in RWD would've been quite an awesome competitor to the Falcon XR6T. It still would've got whipped by an F6 though, and that's coming from a Toyota man, but to have that ability to change pulleys to give the supercharger somewhere near 14lbs. boost would've given it enough balls to keep up with the F6 I felt.

Too bad for you guys overseas that the Aurion's are sold exclusively in Australia, for once we get something cool that you guys don't.

I think AUs may have had all 3 types depending on which trim pack or what ever that you got. If it means that much to you I could look on the catalogue tomorrow?
The TRDs looked alright too, but the simple fact was that even 380s supposedly handled better than Aurions, and the TMR 380 was cooler than the TRD Aurion too.
The Aurion wasn't really exclusively sold here, it's just a V6 Camry with a different front bumper and maybe slightly altered suspension.
Plus, we get Commodores and Falcons, they don't.

 

[mafia_boy]

I just found this as you were posting Paulie on news.com.au.



Nissan marketing could NEVER top this.

*added bit* If it's against AUP, then take it down mods, but there's no swearing involved.

*added bit #2* Changed the link to a direct YouTube video.

 

[Paulie]

I just found this as you were posting Paulie on news.com.au.

Toyota puts brakes on 'incestuous' Yaris ad

Watch the video attached to the story and have a laugh. Nissan marketing could NEVER top this.

*added bit* If it's against AUP, then take it down mods, but there's no swearing involved.

I don't think that will be against the AUP, I've seen worse posted on these pages.....

But seriously, I didn't see the incestuous part of that, some people are wierd. But maybe it was a little bit too "adult" for the general prancy nancy population.

 

[mafia_boy]

But you have to admit Paulie, that was one of the funniest ad's to come from Toyota in a LOOONG time.