Nissan vs. Toyota

[Paulie]

But you have to admit Paulie, that was one of the funniest ad's to come from Toyota in a LOOONG time.

Hmm, I don't know, the very notion that cats are ninjas is pretty laughable and that a tiny Yaris is comparable to an awesome ninja even more so. This withdrawn ad wasn't even their idea, if you read the article.

 

[homeforsummer]

That Yaris ad made me chuckle. Australia gets way better adverts than we do...

Did I not mention that I always view things from a performance car/car enthusiast point of view?

I don't know, did you? Also, IMO, proper car enthusiasts can appreciate non-performance cars too

 

[Paulie]

I don't know, did you? Also, IMO, proper car enthusiasts can appreciate non-performance cars too

I agree, that's why I put the "performance car/car enthusiast" bit in my post. I like the Cruze, great looking small cars.👍 It's hard not to see small/slow cars as anything but money makers to make fast cars though, even if that be faster versions of the slow cars. But Toyota's current small cars are less interesting than a microwave, same with Nissan I suppose.

 

[homeforsummer]

But Toyota's current small cars are less interesting than a microwave

The iQ? Really?

 

[McLaren]

Yes, I know the gearbox is covered under warranty......now. It wasn't when they brought it out and people were blowing them left right and centre and had to force court action to get Nissan to change their tune.

That's kind of beside the point. Niky did a good job of explaining in the past that every supercar can blow its gearboxes if you keep launching it to the same degree as some of the GT-Rs had done. Whether or not it was covered under warranty, some of these owners should have realized this.

 

[Jetboy.]

This will be a rather tough call for me.

I had a Toyota, via a Chevrolet Nova. It's still the most reliable car I had, running like new at 213,600 when I first got it ($150) and when we parked it because it couldn't pass inspection for rust (235,008) miles. I had it for another year and a half as our runabout derby car for the lane. All of us tried to kill it: Rev limiter for minutes on end (Until the noise was too much), running it on two quarts of oil, revving, launching, launching in air, "redline" shifting, leaving my brother drive it...

We think it eventually spun a bearing but after adding 3 quarts of oil it went back to just tapping. It was removed from our property a few months back, when I got The Brick.

On the other hand, my grandfather had a Datsun in the early 90's that you could see through the floor that also decided immortality was possible.

Performance/ driving enthusiasts cars were about a wash in the 70's-early 90's in my opinion. Now? Nissan for the Sentra SE-R, the '06 Altima SE-R for it's six-speed/LSD combo which was unheard of in it's class, dare I say it, the GT-R's.. It's a hard force to beat, especialy when Toyota dropped the ball by euthanizing the Supra after '97.

Toss in that I have no brand loyalties. All manufacturers make absolute crap, all make a stellar piece. Except Yugo. They prove the rule.


Not voting, too many contingencies to cover.


Cheers,
Jetboy

 

[mafia_boy]

That's kind of beside the point. Niky did a good job of explaining in the past that every supercar can blow its gearboxes if you keep launching it to the same degree as some of the GT-Rs had done. Whether or not it was covered under warranty, some of these owners should have realized this.

McLaren, it's the same whether it's a supercar or a Hyundai Getz. You try and launch it too hard on too many occasions and BAM, she's going to blow a gearbox, or differential, or tailshaft, or axle (or CV Joint for FF's), or any combination of them.....REGARDLESS of what the car is.

 

[Leonidae]

Ha. I broke Primera GTe's driveshaft right from the middle.. not from the joint. and all I did was go from fourth to third at 50mph, which is well within range of that gear.

 

[Jim Prower]

Was it factory or re-man. Reman driveshaft may have had crack from long use, then machining. That, and stuff like that happens, especially when it's cold.

 

[Lucas]

I picked Ford.

Same here. 👍 If Ford wasn't an option, then I would have obviously voted Ford. If that wasn't an option... then I would have to go with Nissan, but seriously, seriously considering to pick Ford.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I picked Mazda. :-"


But more seriously, Nissan got my pick here, they at least kind of bother with their cars today. Toyota on the other hand... Completely soulless.

 

[C-ZETA]

Well, it really depends on the rivalry of the cars they make. (This includes American brands Lexus and Infiniti which makes sense as their sister brands)

Aygo vs Pixo - Pixo is actually similarly priced in higher specs, but Aygo has better build quality and shares a platform with the C1 and 107. The Pixo? It shares one with the Suzuki Alto.
Winner - Aygo

iQ vs Micra - The Micra is ridiculously average, does what you need to, but very boringly...the iQ is smaller but more clever and quite obviously more modern. And yes, you CAN fit in it.
Winner - iQ

Yaris vs Note - The Note is just a bigger Micra without the back end which it better looking. And that's about it. The Yaris is also very much similar to the Micra in that it can do what you want it to but it's not the most fun car to ever exist. However, what it can do...it does better. Which means it also does better than the Note.
Winner - Yaris

Qashqai vs Auris - the Qashqai has so much space, and yet is still considered a hatchback. The Auris, on the other hand, is just dull.
Winner - Qashqai

GT-R vs (Lexus) LF-A - two very technical achievements, but the LF-A has a V10 vs the GT-R's V6. You should know which gets the better sound...
Winner - LF-A

X-Trail vs Rav4 - the X-Trail does have a not-as-large-as-it-should-be amount of space, but is a better offroader. The problem is that they can't compare to the Freelander (obvious leader of the class) The Rav4's styling scores it the marks, no matter how false it is, but aren't SUV's about offroading? No advice past that.
Winner - X-Trail

Pathfinder vs Land Cruiser - Pathfinder looks rather like a downmarket Discovery, but it isn't as able. The Land Cruiser is also a better offroader and has a 480 lb ft V8 which has great offroading ability with the torque.
Winner - Land Cruiser

Murano vs (Lexus) RX - The Murano is pretty clean on the inside but it really isn't very fast. The RX is better on the outside, but it isn't very fast...either. However the RX is only available as a hybrid which I have never and will never like.
Winner - Murano

(Infiniti) G37 vs (Lexus) IS - Two strong saloons, with Infiniti providing a far, far better convertible and Lexus providing the better hard top. However, there isn't a model to compete with the IS-F...
Winner - IS

Toyota - 6
Nissan - 3

 

[TheCracker]

GT-R vs (Lexus) LF-A - two very technical achievements, but the LF-A has a V10 vs the GT-R's V6. You should know which gets the better sound...
Winner - LF-A

Perhaps not the fairest of comparisons given that the LF-A will cost $300,000 more than a GT-R!

 

[TVC]

Toyota is much better. Some people are saying that Toyota doesn't offer anything that is a sports car? What about the IS-F and LF-A? Others are saying Toyota doesn't make any drivers cars? I think you can say basically the same for Nissan. Automatic rev-match downshifting and I think everyone has heard what people have said about the GT-R.

 

[Eric.]

Perhaps not the fairest of comparisons given that the LF-A will cost $300,000 more than a GT-R!

And that it was decided based on sound....

Toyota is much better. Some people are saying that Toyota doesn't offer anything that is a sports car? What about the IS-F and LF-A? Others are saying Toyota doesn't make any drivers cars? I think you can say basically the same for Nissan. Automatic rev-match downshifting and I think everyone has heard what people have said about the GT-R.

Just quit now...The IS-F is $70k. We won't mention the LF-A. Most people aren't going to spend much over $40k for a sports car. If you look around, most hover in that 20-40k range. STI, Evo, Z, Genesis Coupe, Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, Civic Si, Mazdaspeed3, GTI, R32, etc etc.

I know somebody on here recently bought a 370Z. Why not ask him if its a driver's car or not. I noticed Vaxen's avatar is of a GT-R in a driveway, I believe he owns one. Ask him how it drives. Or go read at www.nagtroc.com's forum and see if every person there doesn't love their GT-R, particularly the ones that track them. So enough GT-R trolling if you haven't driven it yourself.

 

[Eric.]

double post

 

[Slicks]

Nissan.

Both makers have in the past produced some great cars - I won't give the nod to either as to which is better there, as I know and recognise the former greatness of both companies.

In a modern context, Nissan all the way.

I work with cars for a living. I see and drive both makers' ranges on a continuing basis.

Subjectively, Nissan takes it without effort. Modern Toyotas are hideous. Modern Nissans are, with a couple exceptions, much better looking (In both interior and exterior design).

Nissan still makes drivers cars, while also progressing in efficiency (CVT and Hybrid technology, with the CVT being quite common in their newest generation of offerings). Toyotas, from my experience, drive poorly and only have a couple halo models for efficiency - I know that they get similar mileage in many cases, but for a small car without a clutch pedal, I'd take a Sentra with a CVT over a Corolla with an outdated 4 speed auto.

Nissan still makes performance cars for a reasonable budget, while Toyota will stick with their two Lexus halo cars.

I will concede that Toyota knows how to make a truck. Their Hilux has THE reputation among small trucks, although Nissan isn't that far behind. I'd still take a Nissan truck in the NA market, where we're stuck with the anemic Tacoma.

 

[homeforsummer]

Automatic rev-match downshifting and I think everyone has heard what people have said about the GT-R.

Oh, great. An elitist. Not welcome.

The system on the 370Z is supposed to be very good, actually. Not everyone in the world can heel and toe. This system is for them. It's just something that makes the driving experience better. For those who can heel and toe, it can be turned off. It's something for everyone.

 

[TVC]

And that it was decided based on sound....




Just quit now...The IS-F is $70k. We won't mention the LF-A. Most people aren't going to spend much over $40k for a sports car. If you look around, most hover in that 20-40k range. STI, Evo, Z, Genesis Coupe, Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, Civic Si, Mazdaspeed3, GTI, R32, etc etc.

I know somebody on here recently bought a 370Z. Why not ask him if its a driver's car or not. I noticed Vaxen's avatar is of a GT-R in a driveway, I believe he owns one. Ask him how it drives. Or go read at www.nagtroc.com's forum and see if every person there doesn't love their GT-R, particularly the ones that track them. So enough GT-R trolling if you haven't driven it yourself.

The base price for the IS-F is about $60,000 and I don't really understand what the price of the car has to do with anything. It is priced at about the same as the cars it competes with.

I didn't think I was trolling and I wasn't trying to. I was just posting in the thread and saying I think Toyota is better than Nissan. I am not sure what you're definition of a drivers car is but I think that means a car that does not have a lot of electronics managing the car. A lot of people what say Lotus Exige is a drivers car. It's small, light, and doesn't have a lot of features. The GT-R is basically the opposite. I am not saying it is a bad car to drive and I am sure it is nice to drive but that doesn't make it a drivers car.

Since that is a GT-R owners forum I would guess they would be happy about their purchase and like the GT-R. Just like if you go here:

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/

A lot of people don't like the GT-R.

Oh, great. An elitist. Not welcome.

The system on the 370Z is supposed to be very good, actually. Not everyone in the world can heel and toe. This system is for them. It's just something that makes the driving experience better. For those who can heel and toe, it can be turned off. It's something for everyone.

I never said it was bad feature. I never said it didn't help anyone. I never said it doesn't make the driving experience better. I simply said I think a car that has a lot of like that may not necessarily be a drivers car. A lot of Nissan's have features like that.

 

[killanite]

Oh yes, Because driver's cars are well known for having 8 speed AUTOMATIC gearboxes like the IS-F....

 

[TVC]

Oh yes, Because driver's cars are well known for having 8 speed AUTOMATIC gearboxes like the IS-F....

I never said the IS-F was a drivers car. I brought the IS-F up because some people were saying Toyota doesn't make any sports cars.

 

[killanite]

I never said the IS-F was a drivers car. I brought the IS-F up because some people were saying Toyota doesn't make any sports cars.

So would you like to enlighten us on which driver's cars toyota/lexus produce these days.. I have a hard time working it out. As far as I can see they are either focused on efficiency (Toyota) or luxury (Lexus), neither of those fall directly under the driver's car category.

 

[TVC]

So would you like to enlighten us on which driver's cars toyota/lexus produce these days.. I have a hard time working it out. As far as I can see they are either focused on efficiency (Toyota) or luxury (Lexus), neither of those fall directly under the driver's car category.

These days? For Toyota nothing really comes closer than a Toyota Matrix with AWD. For Lexus probably the LF-A. The IS-F is much more of a drivers car than the GT-R.

Other cars include with Supra, Celica, Corolla, 2000 GT, and MR2.

Yes Toyota is kind of boring (or really boring) but that is what they are about (making money). They make better economy cars than any other car company. As far as designs go I would also say Toyota is better than Nissan. I don't really think any car Nissan makes (excluding Infiniti) looks good. The 370Z is okay but it doesn't look very good. Not to mention Toyota doesn't copy other companies like Nissan.

 

[killanite]

These days? For Toyota nothing really comes closer than a Toyota Matrix with AWD. For Lexus probably the LF-A. The IS-F is much more of a drivers car than the GT-R.

Other cars include with Supra, Celica, Corolla, 2000 GT, and MR2. None of which are made anymore

Yes Toyota is kind of boring (or really boring) but that is what they are about (making money). They make better economy cars than any other car company. As far as designs go I would also say Toyota is better than Nissan. I don't really think any car Nissan makes (excluding Infiniti) looks good. The 370Z is okay but it doesn't look very good. Not to mention Toyota doesn't copy other companies like Nissan.

The GT-R isn't a driver's car, and wasn't designed to be so either, it was designed to be a performance car that is also quite civilized, and it does it better than any other supercar in the world.

The LF-A isn't a driver's car either, it doesn't have a manual gearbox, The steering is electronic and it's mostly made as a one of showpiece of what toyota COULD do, BUT it's way overpriced and in limited numbers.

The IS-F is hardly a driver's car especially when you can get a BMW M3 for around the same price which is about a million times better at doing just that.

 

[mafia_boy]

So would you like to enlighten us on which driver's cars toyota/lexus produce these days.. I have a hard time working it out. As far as I can see they are either focused on efficiency (Toyota) or luxury (Lexus), neither of those fall directly under the driver's car category.

In 2009 I would agree with you, the IS-F and LF-A would be the pinnacles of the Toyota/Lexus family and the IS-F is used in comparisons against the M3 and Audi S4 quite a fair bit. But if you look at RECENT history (past 15yrs) then you have the following:

Aristo (2JZ-GTE)
Soarer (1JZ-GTE)
Celsior (1UZ, 3UZ, 1UR)
Chaser (1JZ-GTE)
Cresta (1JZ-GTE)
Mark II (1JZ-GTE)
Verossa (1JZ-GTE)
Supra (2JZ-GTE)
RS200 (Altezza, 3S-GE VVTL-i)
Celica GT-Four (3S-GTE)

vs

Skyline GT-R (R33, R34)
Skyline GTS-t (R33)
Skyline GT-T (R34)
300ZX (Z32)
350Z (Z33)
Skyline 350GT/Infiniti G35 (V35)
GT-R (R35)
370Z

The biggest death nail for the 370Z is this quote I found in wikipedia:

Former Nissan executive Yutaka Katayama claimed he preferred driving a Nissan Versa (Tiida) over the new 370Z, because the 370Z is very heavy, and it is also very expensive, and failed to live up to the Japanese sports car legacy started by the 240Z.

Some drivers car, even Nissan execs didn't like it.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Some drivers car, even Nissan execs didn't like it.

He's 100 years old, probably still living in the past.

It's not heavy nor expensive by today's standards.

 

[killanite]

In 2009 I would agree with you, the IS-F and LF-A would be the pinnacles of the Toyota/Lexus family and the IS-F is used in comparisons against the M3 and Audi S4 quite a fair bit. But if you look at RECENT history (past 15yrs) then you have the following:

Aristo (2JZ-GTE)
Soarer (1JZ-GTE)
Celsior (1UZ, 3UZ, 1UR)
Chaser (1JZ-GTE)
Cresta (1JZ-GTE)
Mark II (1JZ-GTE)
Verossa (1JZ-GTE)
Supra (2JZ-GTE)
RS200 (Altezza, 3S-GE VVTL-i)
Celica GT-Four (3S-GTE)

vs

Skyline GT-R (R33, R34)
Skyline GTS-t (R33)
Skyline GT-T (R34)
300ZX (Z32)
350Z (Z33)
Skyline 350GT/Infiniti G35 (V35)
GT-R (R35)
370Z

The biggest death nail for the 370Z is this quote I found in wikipedia:



Some drivers car, even Nissan execs didn't like it.

The past is irrelevant. I'm talking of the present. and presently, Nissan are staying true to making affordable value for money sportcars and Toyota are just ... not. maybe the ft-86 will change that, but for now. Nissan are the winners.

 

[TVC]

The GT-R isn't a driver's car, and wasn't designed to be so either, it was designed to be a performance car that is also quite civilized, and it does it better than any other supercar in the world.

The LF-A isn't a driver's car either, it doesn't have a manual gearbox, The steering is electronic and it's mostly made as a one of showpiece of what toyota COULD do, BUT it's way overpriced and in limited numbers.

The IS-F is hardly a driver's car especially when you can get a BMW M3 for around the same price which is about a million times better at doing just that.

I don't think the GT-R does that better than any other supercar in the world but that is more of an opinion and besides the point.

Either way my point was never that Toyota makes drivers cars but instead it was Nissan doesn't.

I do agree with what you said besides the last sentence. An M3 may be faster than an IS-F but a RS4 or CTS-V is better than an M3.

 

[TVC]

The past is irrelevant. I'm talking of the present. and presently, Nissan are staying true to making affordable value for money sportcars and Toyota are just ... not. maybe the ft-86 will change that, but for now. Nissan are the winners.

They would be if the thread was about who makes better affordable sports cars but it's about which company is better. The first post talks about reliability but it never mentions which makes faster cars.

http://consumerist.com/2009/01/the-10-most-reliable-car-brands-vs-your-preconceived-notions.html

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2009/02/consumer-reports-most-reliable-used-cars-for-2009.html

http://www.caradvice.com.au/1436/top-10-reliable-brands/

 

[killanite]

They would be if the thread was about who makes better affordable sports cars but it's about which company is better. The first post talks about reliability but it never mentions which makes faster cars.

http://consumerist.com/2009/01/the-10-most-reliable-car-brands-vs-your-preconceived-notions.html

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2009/02/consumer-reports-most-reliable-used-cars-for-2009.html

http://www.caradvice.com.au/1436/top-10-reliable-brands/

This is an opinion-based poll.. and in MY opinion, it is the company that creates the more exciting cars that appeal to me which is better..

You first brought up "driver's cars" and I showed you where you were wrong to compare. I don't really care that you like Toyota more, I'm just saying, your reasons have to be more factual. and sure.. reliabilty and toyota goes hand in hand.