no smoke

[core_drifter]

hey guys is there a way to make no smoke at all when drifting i like it when theres no smoke and my friend claims that it can be done so is there a way??

 

[BrykeSpike0086]

There is a way...

If you can recollect to the last eps of Initial D, God Of Hand's drift is very uh 'lite' and is like a mix of both grip and drift.

In that kind of drift, you won't be able to emit smoke. I do it at times also...

 

[Delphic Reason]

In that kind of drift, you won't be able to emit smoke. I do it at times also...

I doubt it...

That kind of "drift" is not a drift at all... There is no sliding...

The technique is called a "Four Wheel Drift", and it is an advanced GRIP racing technique... Not drifting... There is no smoke, because the tires aren't sliding at all... Visually it looks about like you are just grip driving, which in essence you are...

"Four Wheel Drifting" (not to be confused with AWD drifting) is a technique where you use the maximum amount of traction possible by utilizing a slight slip angle... This allows the tires traction to be fully maximized because to use a tires full grip, durring cornering, you need to have a slight slip angle... (BL, you might be able to better explain the physics behind this)...

Core_drifter...

Yes you can... To drift without smoke you just need to have less angle... There are quite a few spots in my clips (soon to be released) where there isn't any smoke, yet I am clearly drifting... I'm just not on the throttle enough to burn the tires....

 

[FaLLeNAn9eL]

FF drifting or "assdragging" has very little or no smoke, i think.

 

[Delphic Reason]

FF drifting or "assdragging" has very little or no smoke, i think.

Actually, they produce quite a bit of smoke...

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

I had a topic on this once but I know there's another way, if you have a used Silvia, set it up on N1's and learn how to bodyroll through corners instead of using the gas as the main tool to drift. You still should use the gas but because the car isn't reallly powerfull stock it wont give too much smoke.

This will let you float through the corners, I always did it on one part of Suzuka where the continuing left to right corners are.

I cant give you a vid since I dont have a cap card

 

[Boundary Layer]

Drift at High Speed Ring

case closed

"Four Wheel Drifting" (not to be confused with AWD drifting) is a technique where you use the maximum amount of traction possible by utilizing a slight slip angle... This allows the tires traction to be fully maximized because to use a tires full grip, durring cornering, you need to have a slight slip angle... (BL, you might be able to better explain the physics behind this)...

oh, do not tempt me.

At 2am I'm not sharp enough to piece it together by myself..., infact at 2pm I'd still be in a bind. But I think my old stress analysis texts and a table of material properties for rubber would be enough to get me started. I know of an automotive engineering BIBLE across the road from here in the engineering library that goes into excruciating detail to explain why this is true, fully supported by appropriate formulae of course. The Formula SAE guys never seem to put it down.

If I recall correctly, determining optimum slip angle for a single tire involved a lot of calculations involving roll center and roll stiffness of a vehicle [relative roll couple?], static and kinetic friction coefficients of the tire compound and road surface, tire dimensions and deflection/deformation, vehicle mass, steering input, velocity [memory getting fuzzy here], some constants related to the performance of the LSD... etc etc. anyways, I don't remember it being a trivial calculation.

Generally speaking, tires are at peak grip when a slip angle of 5% to 10% exists. For a steering input of 50*, you'd be looking somewhere around 2.5* to 5* of slip. Traditionally, the softer the tire compound, the lower the slip angle associated with peak grip. ie - R compound tires will perform at their best at a lower slip angle than N compound tires will.

I found the follwing links in my bookmarks that talks briefly about slip angles [author calls it grip angle, which, I agree is a more appropriate terminology].
http://www.miata.net/sport/Physics/07-Circle.html
http://www.miata.net/sport/Physics/10-GripAngle.html
I think it was Sukerkin who originally sent me those. From a purely theoretical standpoint these links are great, but I find them lacking a little bit in terms of providing all the necessary formulae to support/justify the theory.



Now that I've gone miles outside of the topic of smokeless drifting, I think it's time to call it a night.

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

http://www.miata.net/sport/Physics/07-Circle.html
http://www.miata.net/sport/Physics/10-GripAngle.html
I think it was Sukerkin who originally sent me those. From a purely theoretical standpoint these links are great, but I find them lacking a little bit in terms of providing all the necessary formulae to support/justify the theory.



Now that I've gone miles outside of the topic of smokeless drifting, I think it's time to call it a night.

I remember those links, I thought I'd read all of it just to increase my knowledge about cars in an early stage (me=16). But nah....nevermind

 

[Delphic Reason]

Drift at High Speed Ring

case closed



oh, do not tempt me.

At 2am I'm not sharp enough to piece it together by myself..., infact at 2pm I'd still be in a bind. But I think my old stress analysis texts and a table of material properties for rubber would be enough to get me started. I know of an automotive engineering BIBLE across the road from here in the engineering library that goes into excruciating detail to explain why this is true, fully supported by appropriate formulae of course. The Formula SAE guys never seem to put it down.

If I recall correctly, determining optimum slip angle for a single tire involved a lot of calculations involving roll center and roll stiffness of a vehicle [relative roll couple?], static and kinetic friction coefficients of the tire compound and road surface, tire dimensions and deflection/deformation, vehicle mass, steering input, velocity [memory getting fuzzy here], some constants related to the performance of the LSD... etc etc. anyways, I don't remember it being a trivial calculation.

Generally speaking, tires are at peak grip when a slip angle of 5% to 10% exists. For a steering input of 50*, you'd be looking somewhere around 2.5* to 5* of slip. Traditionally, the softer the tire compound, the lower the slip angle associated with peak grip. ie - R compound tires will perform at their best at a lower slip angle than N compound tires will.

I found the follwing links in my bookmarks that talks briefly about slip angles [author calls it grip angle, which, I agree is a more appropriate terminology].
http://www.miata.net/sport/Physics/07-Circle.html
http://www.miata.net/sport/Physics/10-GripAngle.html
I think it was Sukerkin who originally sent me those. From a purely theoretical standpoint these links are great, but I find them lacking a little bit in terms of providing all the necessary formulae to support/justify the theory.



Now that I've gone miles outside of the topic of smokeless drifting, I think it's time to call it a night.

That'll do it... Thanks, mate!...