Number of (new aka not seen before) cars slightly underwhelming?

[Seismica]

I say again, not all cars from GT4 will be in GT5. Due to the upgrade in graphics, they would have had to re-model every single car.

I doubt they will have done that.

That is my opinion of course. Even 70 new cars would be excellent.

I also notice some seem to ignore the possibility that putting cars into the game doesn't necessarily mean they are new. GT5 could very well have more Classic cars than GT4. Infact its almost certain, because with the addition of Ferrari, Lamborghini and Bugatti, think of all the classic cars from those 3 manufacturers.

I am anticipating the day PD announces that 30+ ferraris will be in the game, seeing how FM3 has 29... That would be funny

 

[Earth]

I say again, not all cars from GT4 will be in GT5. Due to the upgrade in graphics, they would have had to re-model every single car.

I doubt they will have done that.

That is my opinion of course. Even 70 new cars would be excellent.

I also notice some seem to ignore the possibility that putting cars into the game doesn't necessarily mean they are new. GT5 could very well have more Classic cars than GT4. Infact its almost certain, because with the addition of Ferrari, Lamborghini and Bugatti, think of all the classic cars from those 3 manufacturers.

I am anticipating the day PD announces that 30+ ferraris will be in the game, seeing how FM3 has 29... That would be funny

Well, GT5 will have 950+ cars so I'm sure they had time to model all the GT4 cars for PS3 spec if they wanted to.

Good point about Ferrari Lamborghini and Bugatti. GT5 will have the most impressive car list of any of the GTs.

30 Ferraris is a possibility but I'm expecting around 20-25. 9 are already confirmed and there are many classics that most likely will get in as well

How many of us before PD announced the car list were expecting only three or four hundred cars? I know I was. When Amar212 said it would have 1,000 I didn't believe it. No

Heres the thing

Gran Turismo 4 had around 700 cars

Gran Turismo 5 has 950+

That's a difference of 250 cars

So even if they included every single GT4 car in GT5 that's 250 new cars to the Gran Turismo franchise.

 

[MoreTorque]

I'm not sure if anyone can answer this question, but is every car going to have an interior, or only certain cars? If every car is going to have its own interior I don't really care how many new cars there are even if it's only 60-70. That's still pretty impressive considering Shift only has what? 60 cars in total?

Also to be honest I thought GT5 was going to have about 300-400 cars because of the generation jump similar to GT3, but when it was announced that was was going to have nearly 1000 cars my jaw almost dropped.

Considering the fact that Forza has already been on this generation for a while, and the car number is a bit past halfway to GT4's.

 

[Seismica]

So even if they included every single GT4 car in GT5 that's 250 new cars to the Gran Turismo franchise.

Which is a great amount

I'm hoping the Ferrari Fxx will be in

 

[Earth]

I'm not sure if anyone can answer this question, but is every car going to have an interior, or only certain cars? If every car is going to have its own interior I don't really care how many new cars there are even if it's only 60-70. That's still pretty impressive considering Shift only has what? 60 cars in total?

Also to be honest I thought GT5 was going to have about 300-400 cars because of the generation jump similar to GT3, but when it was announced that was was going to have nearly 1000 cars my jaw almost dropped.

Considring the fact that Forza has already been on this generation for a while, and the car number is a bit past halfway to GT4's.

Kaz said in a recent interview all the cars have interiors. He said that the cars in GTPSP were stripped/scaled down GT5 cars. All the cars in GTPSP have stripped/scaled down cockpits.

Forza 3 only has 400 cars because after Forza 2 they started over from scratch to create Forza 3. PD has been working on GT5 some two years before Forza 2 was released

Which is a great amount

I'm hoping the Ferrari Fxx will be in

Also the new makes, Lamborghini, Ferrari, Maserati. Those makes have not been seen before in GT, so how is the car list underwhelming?

Would be surprised not to see the Fxx, F50, 333sp, 360, among others.

How many cars will GT6 have?

1,500?

 

[Freeman_Cruz]

In the interview published by gameblog.fr, Yamauchi said that only 100 cars of GT Mobile could transfer to GT5 at launch, so this post is meaningless.

Dès le jour du lancement : possibilité d'uploader une centaine de véhicules obtenus dans le GT sur PSP... vers Gran Turismo 5

http://www.gameblog.fr/news_11544_gran-turismo-5-toutes-nos-infos-exclusives

 

[cicohipe]

my take on variation would be only have the 2 top models of each car in the game...
ie Nissan Skyline R32 GTS-t
Nissan Skyline R32 GTR V Spec II

same for R33, R34, R35 etc and maybe one of the super limited different versions (ie R34 Z tune or R33 N400 spec cars) thats it.

suddenly 950 cars would have some sort of meaning not the 50 varients of sylvias, skylines,wrx etc

The thing is, it's easy to add these models. If you have two or more models that look almost identical cosmetically but they have differences in performance or have historical value than i see this as an advantage. If PD dropped similar models from there line up, they would not replace them with new cars, we would simply get less cars.

In the interview published by gameblog.fr, Yamauchi said that only 100 cars of GT Mobile could transfer to GT5 at launch, so this post is meaningless.



http://www.gameblog.fr/news_11544_gran-turismo-5-toutes-nos-infos-exclusives

First ive heard of this.

 

[Snaeper]

I say again, not all cars from GT4 will be in GT5. Due to the upgrade in graphics, they would have had to re-model every single car.

I doubt they will have done that.

That is my opinion of course. Even 70 new cars would be excellent.

I share this opinion. This is the chance for PD turn a new leaf and have a stronger presence from European and American Automakers.

With the up-playing of cars like the Corvette ZR-1, Merecedes SLS AMG and Ferrari 458. As well as inclusion of Bugatti, Lamborghini and possibly Maserati, we could at least see a slight reduction in the overwhelming numbers of Japanese cars (though I still expect GT to lean in their favour) with replacements from Europe and America.

And GTPSP shouldn't be (at this point) an indicator as to what cars are going to be in GT5. Essentially, they're GT4 cars, with a few new models, and interior views. Not hard to do considering what's been done/is going on in GT5.

 

[yeti]

I say again, not all cars from GT4 will be in GT5. Due to the upgrade in graphics, they would have had to re-model every single car.

I'm going to disagree with this - I'm sure at the time they made GT4 they said that they retreived more info than was requried for GT4 - so that they had the info for future games (which they knew were going to be on more powerful hardware)

Although - this may have only been done for exteriors - so interiors may have had to be revisited...

C.

 

[snowgt]

On the subject of "only 100 cars can be transfered from GTPSP to GT5"...

That specifically does NOT rule out that all GTPSP cars are in GT5. The only thing it says, is that you can only take 100 with you. Actually, it still makes me believe all GTPSP cars are in GT5. Because, imagine there's only 100 that are in GT5 - what happens when your garage in GTPSP consist of non-GT5 cars only. GT5 is released, you want to transfer, you get a message box saying "Sorry, can't transfer THOSE cars. You should have chosen the ones that are transferable, although it's not marked anywhere."

Come on.


Also, please note that the 830 car-list of GTPSP contains a) duplicates (Renault Clio/Lutetia) and b) additional varieties that can hardly be counted as new models. But it still boosts the ~730 from GT4 by almost a hundred cars. So...with that sort of "creative counting", who knows how many we actually will get?

 

[cudadude2]

I'm going to disagree with this - I'm sure at the time they made GT4 they said that they retreived more info than was requried for GT4 - so that they had the info for future games (which they knew were going to be on more powerful hardware)

Although - this may have only been done for exteriors - so interiors may have had to be revisited...

C.

I seem to remember that during the wait for GT4 there was much talk of getting much more info than was nesissary so that they could port to GT5.

b

 

[balang_479]

As far as I know the list of cars in GT5 is not available. Mabe you know something we don't? If you do have reliable information that what you said is true, then please share it with us. But if you don't and are just saying that based on your gut feeling, then please stop trolling the forums and giving as facts what you imagine is the truth.

Well by simple elimination...

950 cars, 830 so (im not sure exactly) from GT4, 70 from prologue, so theres about 50 cars of which we know a few (look in Master car list thread)...

so basically and very roughly there are about 30 cars we dont know... wow...

 

[ST-2]

Well by simple elimination...

950 cars, 830 so (im not sure exactly) from GT4, 70 from prologue, so theres about 50 cars of which we know a few (look in Master car list thread)...

so basically and very roughly there are about 30 cars we dont know... wow...

Yes, but consider that some of the cars from the PSP/GT4 won't be in GT5, I doubt we'll have all those Impreza's, Evo's, RX-7's, Skylines, NSX's, Supra's and Silva's. Honestly, I think we'll be suprised by the amount of cars we receive in GT5. I can see alot of new metal coming our way.

New Jaguars - XK-R, XF-R etc
New BMW's - M6, M5 Touring, M3 Saloon, Z4-M, 335i, 550i etc
New Mercedes - C63, CLK63 Black, SL63, SLK66 Black etc
New Audi's - TT-RS, RS4, RS6, S8 etc
New Ford's - Focus RS, Mustang GT500, Mondeo ST, Fiesta ST etc
New Vauxhalls - Astra VXR, Vectra VXR, Isignia VXR, Corsa VXR etc

Loads...

 

[Custer85]

The cars from Prologue are all in GT PSP aswell, exept for the tuned cars, they are just there to show off the visual tuning for GT5 i guess.

So there are "over" 830 cars in GT PSP, all the cars from Prologue are in there aswell and there are "over" 950 in Gran Turismo 5. That means there are over 120 unannounced cars and i guess many of them will be the new Rally and NASCAR vehicles.

Lets say GT5 features all the major Rally cars of the 2009 season:
11 Teams, 20 WRC drivers, 13 JWRC drivers and 23 PWRC drivers
I think we can safely say GT5 will feature the 20 WRC Drivers from the 11 Teams, so probably 20 "individual" cars.

Lets further assume that GT5 will feature all the major NASCAR Racecars of the 2009 season (nation wide series):
Full Time: 38 cars
Kazunori Ymauchi said they will not feature all of the NASCAR vehicles from the start (hint at DLC), so i guess we will see around 30 NASCAR cars.

30 (NASCAR) + 20 (WRC) = 50
120 (unannounced) - 50 (Rally+NASCAR) = 70 cars exclusive to Gran Turismo 5

We got 70 cars and probably 95 manufacturers (GT4 had 89 i guess), so ther would be less than one car per manufacturer. BUT I think there will be many "manufacturers", that will not be included in GT5, or will not get any new cars, like "Nike", "Jay Leno" and "Polyphony". Other than these, manufacturers like Spyker, Protoworks, Panoz, Auto Bianchi, Callaway, Jensen-Healey, McLaren, Caterham, Marcos, Lister, Isuzu, Hommell, Ginetta, Gillet, Dome, DMC, Cizeta, Chaparral, Caterham, Buick, Auto Union, ASL, Alpine and AC will probably get no new cars in GT5, because they released no new cars within the time between GT4 and GT5, or they dont exist anymore.
95 - 27 = 68 Manufacturers that probably get new cars. That means every manufacturer might have just one new car.

Sound bad, but i guess the "over" 950 cars should be taken into account. I gues right now PD is aiming for 950 but as soon as GT5 is released, it might as well be 960 or something.

Lets wait and see.

 

[cudadude2]

The cars from Prologue are all in GT PSP aswell, exept for the tuned cars, they are just there to show off the visual tuning for GT5 i guess.

So there are "over" 830 cars in GT PSP, all the cars from Prologue are in there aswell and there are "over" 950 in Gran Turismo 5. That means there are over 120 unannounced cars and i guess many of them will be the new Rally and NASCAR vehicles.

Lets say GT5 features all the major Rally cars of the 2009 season:
11 Teams, 20 WRC drivers, 13 JWRC drivers and 23 PWRC drivers
I think we can safely say GT5 will feature the 20 WRC Drivers from the 11 Teams, so probably 20 "individual" cars.

Lets further assume that GT5 will feature all the major NASCAR Racecars of the 2009 season (nation wide series):
Full Time: 38 cars
Kazunori Ymauchi said they will not feature all of the NASCAR vehicles from the start (hint at DLC), so i guess we will see around 30 NASCAR cars.

30 (NASCAR) + 20 (WRC) = 50
120 (unannounced) - 50 (Rally+NASCAR) = 70 cars exclusive to Gran Turismo 5

We got 70 cars and probably 95 manufacturers (GT4 had 89 i guess), so ther would be less than one car per manufacturer. BUT I think there will be many "manufacturers", that will not be included in GT5, or will not get any new cars, like "Nike", "Jay Leno" and "Polyphony". Other than these, manufacturers like Spyker, Protoworks, Panoz, Auto Bianchi, Callaway, Jensen-Healey, McLaren, Caterham, Marcos, Lister, Isuzu, Hommell, Ginetta, Gillet, Dome, DMC, Cizeta, Chaparral, Caterham, Buick, Auto Union, ASL, Alpine and AC will probably get no new cars in GT5, because they released no new cars within the time between GT4 and GT5, or they dont exist anymore.
95 - 27 = 68 Manufacturers that probably get new cars. That means every manufacturer might have just one new car.

Sound bad, but i guess the "over" 950 cars should be taken into account. I gues right now PD is aiming for 950 but as soon as GT5 is released, it might as well be 960 or something.

Lets wait and see.

Not to be arguementitive, but, Spyker, Panoz, Callaway, McLaren, Caterham, and Marcos all released new cars sense GT4.

b

and Gineta, tho its a they are racing cars

 

[snowgt]

The cars from Prologue are all in GT PSP aswell, exept for the tuned cars, they are just there to show off the visual tuning for GT5 i guess.

Where do you have that information from? The GTPSP-car list posted here on gtplanet doesn't show any of the Prologue cars as being part of GTPSP.

So there are "over" 830 cars in GT PSP, all the cars from Prologue are in there aswell and there are "over" 950 in Gran Turismo 5. That means there are over 120 unannounced cars and i guess many of them will be the new Rally and NASCAR vehicles.

...which makes your calculation somewhat shaky. 830 + ~50 original new ones in GT5P, and you're down to 70 new ones in GT5.

Lets say GT5 features all the major Rally cars of the 2009 season:
11 Teams, 20 WRC drivers, 13 JWRC drivers and 23 PWRC drivers
I think we can safely say GT5 will feature the 20 WRC Drivers from the 11 Teams, so probably 20 "individual" cars.

Lets further assume that GT5 will feature all the major NASCAR Racecars of the 2009 season (nation wide series):
Full Time: 38 cars
Kazunori Ymauchi said they will not feature all of the NASCAR vehicles from the start (hint at DLC), so i guess we will see around 30 NASCAR cars.

Uhm, apart from the fact that you are assuming a lot, you are counting every livery in NASCAR as 1 car model? That's the same as saying every colour should be counted as 1 car.

What I think will be included in NASCAR/WRC area are all manufacturers for NASCAR (how many are there...4? Dodge, Toyota, Ford, Chevy), and all the current WRC's, which, actually, we have already seen in the E3 trailer. Citroen, Ford and even the brands that have retreated since, i.e. Suzuki and Subaru. So, what we are looking at, is a grand total of 8 car models for these 2 series.

With the tracks being rumoured at 70, I can't imagine there are more than a handful for each series. Daytona is already there, Indianapolis will be used, but how many ovals do you think they will add? Not many more, I assure you. For WRC, I have no idea in which way they will implement it, but my suspicion is there won't be point-to-point racing, and not that many dirt tracks. (One can dream though)

 

[killanite]

If YOU personally think it's not enough, Simple, don't buy the game (most complaints are made as if people have alredy paid for their copy of GT5) and find a game with a more suited collection for you. No amount of number crunching can prove how many new cars will be in GT5 cause you simply don't know.

I personally think there are more than enough cars in GT5 and if anything it's overwhelming to try and have a go at all of them (which I like to do).

 

[G.T.Ace]

Kaz said in a recent interview all the cars have interiors. He said that the cars in GTPSP were stripped/scaled down GT5 cars. All the cars in GTPSP have stripped/scaled down cockpits.

No, the translation said "the models in GTPSP are ported from GT5", which wouldnt make any sense at all. I would guess that only the new cars, that werent in GT4 are ported from GT5. This would actually explain the "100" cars (because there are around 100 more in GTPSP than in GT4) and also why some people think cars like the ZR-1 and Veyron look better than the old, known cars.

 

[Custer85]

Where do you have that information from? The GTPSP-car list posted here on gtplanet doesn't show any of the Prologue cars as being part of GTPSP.

Cars, that are in GT PSP and GT5 Prologue:
Acura NSX
Alfa Romeo 147 2.0 TWIN SPARK
Amuse S2000 GT1
Audi TT Coupe 3.2 quattro
BMW Z4
Chevrolet Corvette Z06
GT by Citroën
Daihatsu Copen Active Top
Dodge VIPER GTS
Dodge VIPER SRT10
Ford GT
Ford Mustang
Honda INTEGRA TYPE R
Honda NSX Type R
Lancia Delta HF Integrale Evoluzione
Lotus Elise
Lotus Elise 111R
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A
Mazda RX-8 Type S
Mercedes-Benz SL 55 AMG
Mine’s BNR34 SKYLINE GT-R N1
MINI COOPER S
Nissan GT-R
Nissan Skyline GT-R V-spec II
Renault Clio Renault Sport V6 24V
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STI
Suzuki Cappuccino
TVR Tamora
TVR Tuscan Speed 6
Volkswagen Golf Mark IV GTI
Volkswagen Golf Mark V GTI
Ferrari F2007

Well i thought all of them were in GT PSP, but only half of them are in. BUT GTPSP carlist is not yet complete, on the GTPlanet News site it says:
"This doesn’t have all 850 vehicles- some of which will remain Polyphony Digital’s surprise"
So more can be expected.

 

[tibiquera]

Well by simple elimination...

950 cars, 830 so (im not sure exactly) from GT4, 70 from prologue, so theres about 50 cars of which we know a few (look in Master car list thread)...

so basically and very roughly there are about 30 cars we dont know... wow...

I said that before and will say it again, GT4 had 721 cars. So even though we don't know for sure how many of those will be brought to GT5, if we assume they all will, then we still have approximately 230 new cars added (which is more cars than the total sum of cars in GT3). I haven't bought Prologue so I don't know the answer to this question, but is there any car in Prologue that also was on GT4? Because if there is, then 70 might be a wrong number. But even if all 70 cars are new, there would still be the need for at least 150 new cars. That is I believe twice as many cars as Grid and NFS Shift had. And considering those cars range from WRC, to Nascar, to Formula 1, to Ferraris, Bugattis, and Lamborghinis, then you have the best you can possibly have.

 

[paulpg87]

Well by simple elimination...

950 cars, 830 so (im not sure exactly) from GT4, 70 from prologue, so theres about 50 cars of which we know a few (look in Master car list thread)...

so basically and very roughly there are about 30 cars we dont know... wow...

but there arent' 830 cars in gt4.

 

[Dave A]

I haven't bought Prologue so I don't know the answer to this question, but is there any car in Prologue that also was on GT4? Because if there is, then 70 might be a wrong number.

Yes, there's plenty of cars in GT5 that were also in GT4 like the Clio V6, Acrura NSX, R34 GT-4, Blitz Skyline, Skyline Coupe, TVR Typhon and TVR Tuscan Speed Six, Amuse S2000 GT1, Dodge Viper GTS and many more.

 

[JAGUAR1977]

There's a big difference between cars that have reached classic status such as the '80's Audi Quattro or 1993 Class 1 Merecedes 190 Evo II DTM car, and a 2004 Audi S4 and 2000 Mercedes CLK DTM car, which were included in GT4 as they were new(ish) cars at the time, not because they were classics.

If you are going to model cars from scratch, you model the latest cars, in addition to the classics.

Do you seriously believe we'll be driving around in the latest Japanease cars such as the 2009 Nissan GT-R V-Spec, while the premium European brands have a garage full of five plus year old cars?

 

[cudadude2]

Do you seriously believe we'll be driving around in the latest Japanease cars such as the 2009 Nissan GT-R V-Spec, while the premium European brands have a garage full of five plus year old cars?

theres a distinct possibility.

b

 

[Fredde_swe]

Do you seriously believe we'll be driving around in the latest Japanease cars such as the 2009 Nissan GT-R V-Spec, while the premium European brands have a garage full of five plus year old cars?

I wouldn't be surprised

 

[FLASH48]

As long as we get more race cars, i'm good to go!

 

[JToipa]

And don't you forget about NASCAR and WRC official cars that number has to be wrong D:

 

[STJ88]

Do you seriously believe we'll be driving around in the latest Japanease cars such as the 2009 Nissan GT-R V-Spec, while the premium European brands have a garage full of five plus year old cars?

Maybe, i wouldn't mind it.

 

[Clark]

How many cars will GT6 have?
1,500?

One Million Cars!

 

[rookiebalboa]

Am I the only one thinking that the quality of the cars(incl. which manufactor) is just as important as the quantity, I mean what would you rather have. 300 poorly made citroen berlingos, or 100 beautiful ferraris, lambos etc.