Number of (new aka not seen before) cars slightly underwhelming?

[TBR 427]

Perhaps what they meant with the whole 100-cars from PSP-to-PS3 was not just a limit on how many cars you can transfer, but how many cars are able to be transfered (ie are in both games)?

That would free up A LOT of space in our number crunching. And would make the whole 100-transfer thing make more sense (because really there's no other reason to cap the car transfer amount to 100).

 

[Nomino]

Over the last 4 years, what unique cars have come out that you think should be in the game??? I mean really, what kind of cars are you expecting? What NEW line of vehicles that was created over the last four years, is not already in the game?

Did you really need to ask the same question three different ways?

Anyway, to all those moaning at transfering cars over from GT PSP, and not having much new to look forward to, the answer is simple. Don't play GT PSP, and just wait for GT5...

 

[Lain]

Perhaps what they meant with the whole 100-cars from PSP-to-PS3 was not just a limit on how many cars you can transfer, but how many cars are able to be transfered (ie are in both games)?

That would free up A LOT of space in our number crunching. And would make the whole 100-transfer thing make more sense (because really there's no other reason to cap the car transfer amount to 100).

Agreed, it's probably just that there are 100 cars in GTPSP able to be transferred to GT5. Not an artificial 100-car transfer limit.

 

[Dave A]

I don't see there being only 100 cars that are in both, you're eliminating a hell of a lot of mainstream cars and cars that have been in every GT game so far or most of them.

 

[whatbrown]

I'm worried because in the most recent interview posted on the front page, Kaz says that cars in GT PSP are from the GT5 build. That means that all those cars will be in GT 5 and thus leaving less room for newer cars to the game (if the 950+ cars is accurate).

It doesn't make sense to me though that PD would go back out and visit the exact same cars as they did in GT 4 to remodel, update sound, model interior, etc. A lot of new and cool cars have come out in the last 5 years and I hope they will be represented well. Also, although GT 4's car list is impressive in quantity, it really is lacking in quality and it overlooked many, many great automobiles throughout history in favor of 100 Skylines, miatas, RX7s, etc.

 

[Dave A]

I think that's a mis-translation because some of the car modes in GT PSP are clearly not GT5 models. I can understand if the newer cars like the Ferrari's and Corvette ZR1 are downscaled models based on the GT5 models but not the models that were also in GT4. That would also explain why many reviews mentioned big differences in the quality of some of the models over others.

 

[whatbrown]

I think that's a mis-translation because some of the car modes in GT PSP are clearly not GT5 models. I can understand if the newer cars like the Ferrari's and Corvette ZR1 are downscaled models based on the GT5 models but not the models that were also in GT4. That would also explain why many reviews mentioned big differences in the qulity of some of the models over others.

That makes sense and I hope you're right.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Dave, next time quote me please:

No, the translation said "the models in GTPSP are ported from GT5", which wouldnt make any sense at all. I would guess that only the new cars, that werent in GT4 are ported from GT5. This would actually explain the "100" cars (because there are around 100 more in GTPSP than in GT4) and also why some people think cars like the ZR-1 and Veyron look better than the old, known cars.

 

[Dave A]

Yeah, I could have saved myself some typing 👍.

 

[reaperman]

Do you seriously believe we'll be driving around in the latest Japanease cars such as the 2009 Nissan GT-R V-Spec, while the premium European brands have a garage full of five plus year old cars?

wait, so we'll be getting the rest of the latest japanese cars too? The PSP folks didn't. most of their japanese cars are even looking pretty old.

I did a 'find' on the PSP car list for "09" and counted the results. I only got to freaking 5.
08 yielded 2. They should call GTPSP the 'used car simulator.'
it's not even like most are 'classics,' just obsolete.

 

[hoodrich902]

Ok, so I read the following bits of information over the last couple of days.

- ca. 950 cars in GT5 (don't crucify me on "more than...", that certainly doesn't mean "a lot more than")

- 830 cars in GT Mobile that we know of, with under a dozen new ones compared to GT4. The rest of the 100 cars more compared to GT4 are more variations of known cars.

- ca. 70 cars in GT5P. If you don't count the "/Tuned"-cars, because they are simply tuned base models, and the ones that are there in GT Mobile that makes about 60 unique to GT5P.


What does that tell us...? Assuming that you actually CAN transfer all your cars from GT Mobile to GT5 that means there'll be a whopping 60 or so new cars we haven't seen yet? Is it just me or is that slightly underwhelming?

So let me get this straight because gtpsp is gt4 with some cars from gt5p your assuming most of the cars from gt4 make up the list of cars in GT5. I also have heard somewhere have to post a link later that you can only transfer 100 cars from gtpsp to gt5

to answer jaguar1977
Doesnt GT have a partnership with nissan GT Academy something like that why wouldnt they have access to the GTR spec v when they helped design the GTR?

 

[ST-2]

Ok, I have a funny feeling that we will only see 100 cars from GT4/GTPSP in GT5. The rest, all 850+ of them will be new...

 

[balang_479]

One Million Cars!

ahahah i laughed so hard...

 

[Earth]

The official Forza 3 car list

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/ForzaMotorsport3/Carlist.aspx

Is this the list that everyone is claiming that is superior to GT4's and supposedly GT5's?

No offense, but to me that list looks like an expanded Need For Speed car list with more race cars.

I counted over 120 racecars on that list and hardly any 'every day' cars that was part of making the GT series so great.

That means Forza 3's car list is 30%+ racecars, Or roughly 1 in 3 cars are racecars.

I didn't even see any Group C Le Mans cars

Hardly the variety or depth GT4 offered. The only thing it has on GT4 is Lamborghini, Maserati, and Ferrari. And we know GT5 most likely will have those three

I'll take all the GT4 cars +250 new cars (=950 GT5 cars) anyday.

 

[Seismica]

Hardly the variety or depth GT4 offered. The only thing it has on GT4 is Lamborghini, Maserati, and Ferrari. And we know GT5 most likely will have those three

I'll take all the GT4 cars +250 new cars (=950 GT5 cars) anyday.

Not forgetting Porsche

Although i agree, GT4's car list is so much more appealing than that of Forza 3. Once you add the missing pieces (excluding Porsche, which will most likely not be in GT5) i think PD are onto a winner. Again.

 

[IsmokeGT]

The official Forza 3 car list

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/ForzaMotorsport3/Carlist.aspx

Im not going to hate on that list of cars. I dont drive slow cars much, and GT5 might not have that many fast cars, so I can see where some might say it is better. Also, we havent seen GT5's final car list, so it is sort of unfair to say, even subjectively, which game has a better car list.

 

[Earth]

Not forgetting Porsche

Although i agree, GT4's car list is so much more appealing than that of Forza 3. Once you add the missing pieces (excluding Porsche, which will most likely not be in GT5) i think PD are onto a winner. Again.

How did I forget Porsche

In the end it comes down to personal preference. Forza 3 appears to have only the mainstream classics, alot of premium sportscars or supercars, along with many modern racecars.

I believe they said the car list does not have any 'clunkers'

Of course that may appeal to alot of people. I'm very interested in all the modern racecars in Forza 3. However overall the GT4 car list was more interesting and had more variety for my personal tastes.

Im not going to hate on that list of cars. I dont drive slow cars much, and GT5 might not have that many fast cars, so I can see where some might say it is better. Also, we havent seen GT5's final car list, so it is sort of unfair to say, even subjectively, which game has a better car list.

Yes, we haven't seen GT5's car list. From what we've heard there is a good chance that a majority of cars from GT4 will be in GT5. So for now I am comparing Forza 3's car list to that of GT4's.

I've only said that if GT5's car list is just GT4 with Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati and 250 new cars I would prefer it over the Forza 3 list.

Which one is better is up to personal taste. Some people like Forza better then GT, some like the 360 better then the PS3. Although I am at the opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to those two choices that is their opinion.

 

[reaperman]

The official Forza 3 car list

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/ForzaMotorsport3/Carlist.aspx

Is this the list that everyone is claiming that is superior to GT4's and supposedly GT5's?

yep, that looks like a pretty slick lineup. lots of 2009's and 2010's and it's got pretty much all my new hot hatchbacks.
if gt5 has a list like that, I'd be pretty happy with it. *way* better than the oldies in the gt-psp list.

2010 Fiat 500 Abarth SS
2009 Ford Fiesta Zetec S
2009 Honda Fit Sport
2009 MINI John Cooper Works
2009 Renault Twingo Renault Sport Cup
2009 Vauxhall Corsa VXR

 

[cudadude2]

if i got F3s car list in GT5, I'd be pleased'

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[Earth]

yep, that looks like a pretty slick lineup. lots of 2009's and 2010's and it's got pretty much all my new hot hatchbacks.
if gt5 has a list like that, I'd be pretty happy with it. *way* better than the oldies in the gt-psp list.

2010 Fiat 500 Abarth SS
2009 Ford Fiesta Zetec S
2009 Honda Fit Sport
2009 MINI John Cooper Works
2009 Renault Twingo Renault Sport Cup
2009 Vauxhall Corsa VXR

I looked over the confirmed car list of GT5

There are 134 of 950+ cars confirmed, or 14%.

51 of the 134 confirmed cars (38%) are from the years 2010, 2009, 2008, and 2007.

2010 - 5 cars
2009 - 16 cars
2008 - 14 cars
2007 - 16 cars

If the ratio continues for the entire car count, Gran Turismo 5 will have around 350+ cars made during or after the year 2007.

Compare that to the Full Forza 3 car list, in which 127 of 400 cars (31%) are from the years 2010, 2009, 2008, and 2007.

2010 - 10 cars
2009 - 48 cars
2008 - 46 cars
2007 - 23 cars

In summary,

31% of Forza 3 cars were made during or after the yearr 2007
38% of confirmed GT5 cars were made during or after the year 2007

Only 14% of GT5's car list has been revealed yet it already has 40% the amount of cars made during or after 2007 that Forza 3 has.

 

[Seismica]

I looked over the confirmed car list of GT5

There are 134 of 950+ cars confirmed, or 14%.

51 of the 134 confirmed cars (38%) are from the years 2010, 2009, 2008, and 2007.

2010 - 5 cars
2009 - 16 cars
2008 - 14 cars
2007 - 16 cars

If the ratio continues for the entire car count, Gran Turismo 5 will have around 350+ cars made during or after the year 2007.

Compare that to the Full Forza 3 car list, in which 127 of 400 cars (31%) are from the years 2010, 2009, 2008, and 2007.

2010 - 10 cars
2009 - 48 cars
2008 - 46 cars
2007 - 23 cars

In summary,

31% of Forza 3 cars were made during or after the yearr 2007
38% of confirmed GT5 cars were made during or after the year 2007

Only 14% of GT5's car list has been revealed yet it already has 40% the amount of cars made during or after 2007 that Forza 3 has.

When you look at it like that, this thread is the wrong way around, GT5 will have too many new cars to fit in the showrooms

 

[chepe371]

Earth i need an accountant bro!

 

[reaperman]

Earth i need an accountant bro!

*lol* for what it's worth, I hope he's right too. I'm already pretty heavily invested in ps3/gt5.

but I'm about done giving pd credit for doing anything they haven't specifically and repeatedly said they'd be including. call it a way to deal with consistent disappointment after things like the lame gt-psp lineup (~5 cars from '09, none from '10), gt5 delays, etc. PD has said absolutely nothing to make me believe that *any* of the cars I'm interested in (mostly '09/'10 hatches&subcompacts) will be in the gt5 universe.

I'm buying a car game in 2010--whenever I do this there should be NO DOUBT that most of the sporty cars from 2009 and 2010 will be included. and there just is this doubt.

 

[787B-RX-7 Lover]

I only wish for GT5 to bring back Venturi I love the 400GT Atlantique, I also want the 1st generation RX7s back. Another great addition would be some GTU, and GTO class cars from the 80s such as have competed in IMSA series events and such which had many RX7s, Porsches, Camaros, Firebirds, and other production cars all in racing trim. Having regular porsches would be cool also having the Radical SR8 would be awesome to.

 

[snowgt]

I looked over the confirmed car list of GT5

There are 134 of 950+ cars confirmed, or 14%.

51 of the 134 confirmed cars (38%) are from the years 2010, 2009, 2008, and 2007.

2010 - 5 cars
2009 - 16 cars
2008 - 14 cars
2007 - 16 cars

If the ratio continues for the entire car count, Gran Turismo 5 will have around 350+ cars made during or after the year 2007.

Compare that to the Full Forza 3 car list, in which 127 of 400 cars (31%) are from the years 2010, 2009, 2008, and 2007.

2010 - 10 cars
2009 - 48 cars
2008 - 46 cars
2007 - 23 cars

In summary,

31% of Forza 3 cars were made during or after the yearr 2007
38% of confirmed GT5 cars were made during or after the year 2007

Only 14% of GT5's car list has been revealed yet it already has 40% the amount of cars made during or after 2007 that Forza 3 has.

 

[Earth]

I orginally reported that Forza 3 had ten 2010 cars and fourty eight 2009 cars

I'm currently going over it's car list again and it appears my numbers were correct, though misleading.

I simply scanned through the car list using control+f, not really paying attention to the cars that appeared as 2009 or 2010

After going through a good portion of the list again I found that almost half of the 2010 cars in Forza 3 are special edition cars, which appear to be just 2010 cars but with an official Turn 10 livery.

For example one of the cars is 2010 Audi R8 5.2. Yet another car on the list is called the 2010 Audi R8 5.2 "Community Edition". This is counted as another car.

It appears to be the same thing with a good portion of the 2009 cars. I found alot of the fourty eight 2009 cars to be the same car but with just differenty liveries by Turn 10

I'm currently looking through the list and will post my findings later.

 

[Seismica]

I orginally reported that Forza 3 had ten 2010 cars and fourty eight 2009 cars

I'm currently going over it's car list again and it appears my numbers were correct, though misleading.

I simply scanned through the car list using control+f, not really paying attention to the cars that appeared as 2009 or 2010

After going through a good portion of the list again I found that almost half of the 2010 cars in Forza 3 are special edition cars, which appear to be just 2010 cars but with an official Turn 10 livery.

For example one of the cars is 2010 Audi R8 5.2. Yet another car on the list is called the 2010 Audi R8 5.2 "Community Edition". This is counted as another car.

It appears to be the same thing with a good portion of the 2009 cars. I found alot of the fourty eight 2009 cars to be the same car but with just differenty liveries by Turn 10

I'm currently looking through the list and will post my findings later.

Both developers are doing that though, they beef up the car roster by adding custom unique cars. I bet half of the 2009/2010 cars confirmed for GT5 are unique or custom in some way. (Or they will be when the full car list is revealed)

 

[Tenacious D]

I'll take all the GT4 cars +250 new cars (=950 GT5 cars) anyday.

Same here. There are a number of cars in GT4 which I absolutely must have, like the 240SX hatchback. There's a lot more to motorsports than supercars and race cars.

 

[snowgt]

Latest (translated) quote from an interview with KY says, you'll be able to transfer your whole garage from GTPSP to GT5. So, if it's 950 total, 830 (850?) in GTPSP, you get between 50 and 100 new cars, depending if you count the cras first seen in GT5P as new, like I said.

Or maybe the 950 is just a lower bound and it's going to be more...