Oh dear. I'm making one of those "Pick me out a car" threads.

[a6m5]

"OMG DO U DRIFT?!"

True. It would still be worth it to me, but true.

 

[harrytuttle]

But the issue is insurance. I cannot afford to INSURE a Viper. $1500 includes insurance. And for an 18 year old male, it's going to be expensive.


What I've Consitered (In no order):

E36 M3
Nissan 300ZX
Mitsubishi 3000GT
Mitsubishi Starion
Chrysler Conquest
Pontiac Firebird WS6 (and no less, WS6 or nothing)
Toyota Supra MKIII
Toyota MR2 Turbo
Pontiac GTO (Brand new, didn't look up insurance but payments were $600/month.)
Mustang Cobra (If it's not a Cobra, it will not be consitered)
Honda S2000

The E36 M3.

You said you had a Camaro, and the Firebird & Cobra will be too similar. The GTO 6.0 will probably be too expensive when taking insurance into account. The S2000 is a convertible only. The 300ZX, MR2 Turbo, and Supra are nice, but not really something for a new driver. The Conquest and Starion aren't going to be found in great condition when you find one.

The E36 M3 is plentiful, has lots of great dealer support, fast but not scary, relatively easy to learn to drive well, it's built extremely well, and it will make a great daily commuter/driver. And it's depreciation should be just about done by now, meaning resale (should you wish) will be good.

I would buy and E30 M3, but that's because, well, it's an original. Technically the E36 is faster, stronger, more reliable, and "better" overall. But it can't match the event of driving an E30. Nor can it match the thrill of really getting every last inch of ability from an E30.

Yes, I live with my parents, yes, they know what I'm doing, and one of the two supports this idea. The one that doesn't support it doesn't condem it, but thinks I should get a crapbox for a few months and then do this, even though that doesn't make sense because it's prolonging the inevitable.

One of them is right, the other thinks you should get a sports car.

 

[GT4_Rule]

How about a Mitsubishi Eclipse? I think they were available in 4WD.

But I'd stick with the E36 M3.

 

[ExigeEvan]

If you get a 300ZX I'll stop calling you a hick. I will. I promise.

But serious, I like the 300ZX. There's a couple in my area and they look the biznitch.

 

[Tornado]

But the insurance on them will put him out of buisiness, unless of course he get's a N/A one (which would still meet the performance criteria).

 

[Jim Prower]

'68-70 Mopar "B" body with 383
'67-69 Chevelle SS 396
'67-'69 Camaro
Cosworth Vega

Any other older car you can think of.

Just consider come collectable automobiles. They're a bit more work, but their value goes UP over time.

 

[ExigeEvan]

But the insurance on them will put him out of buisiness, unless of course he get's a N/A one (which would still meet the performance criteria).

Would it really be that much worse than the other cars on the list or suggested?

Plus I would have thought the cheaper retail price would outweigh the insurance. The best examples are only £8K.

 

[Jim Prower]

Would it really be that much worse than the other cars on the list or suggested?

Plus I would have thought the cheaper retail price would outweigh the insurance. The best examples are only £8K.

He's in the U.S., not the U.K. they're a bit more expensive over here.

 

[ExigeEvan]

He's in the U.S., not the U.K. they're a bit more expensive over here.

I know he's in the US, I was pointing out they were generally cheap-ish, full stop. And a quick check on Autotrader.com shows you can pick them up for about $15,000, while alot of the other cars are a hell of alot more expensive from what I've seen.

And actually only just more expensive in the US as opposed to the UK, but that's probably because alot of ours are grey imports from Japan.

 

[Roo]

What about an old Porsche? 928, 944, 968, something like that? Cheap to buy, not sure about running costs.

(Bear in mind I know diddily squat about American insurance companies and the 2nd hand car market. But it was just a thought.)

 

[Max_DC]

Well, I'd recommend the STi... depending on insurence costs either a new one or a used one. Very very fast and easy to tune. The whole car is a lot more solid than the Evo's ( my car dealer is both a official Subaru and official Mitsibishi dealer ) and they really have little to no mechanical problems whatsoever... and you have a nice individual boxer sound ( especially with the right exhaust system )

 

[MistaX]

But the insurance on them will put him out of buisiness, unless of course he get's a N/A one (which would still meet the performance criteria).

Insurance is strange.. It's cheaper for me to insure a 2001 Honda S2000 than a 1997 BMW M3 Coupe. I really have to look up quotes on every single car I'm consitering. I'd only consiter the TT version, since I know if I bought the N/A one I'd be kicking myself for not buying the proper one.

'68-70 Mopar "B" body with 383
'67-69 Chevelle SS 396
'67-'69 Camaro
Cosworth Vega

Any other older car you can think of.

Just consider come collectable automobiles. They're a bit more work, but their value goes UP over time.

And what do I do if something breaks? Where am I going to get the parts for it without having the car sit there while they get shipped to my house?
On top of that, I don't want to pay so much money for something thats going to need work.

What about an old Porsche? 928, 944, 968, something like that? Cheap to buy, not sure about running costs.

(Bear in mind I know diddily squat about American insurance companies and the 2nd hand car market. But it was just a thought.)

All of those are in the range, but 928 manuals are extremely rare. 944's are expensive for a Turbo, and 968's are a bit.. lame.

Well, I'd recommend the STi... depending on insurence costs either a new one or a used one. Very very fast and easy to tune. The whole car is a lot more solid than the Evo's ( my car dealer is both a official Subaru and official Mitsibishi dealer ) and they really have little to no mechanical problems whatsoever... and you have a nice individual boxer sound ( especially with the right exhaust system )

Just like the Evo, it'll be hell to insure.

 

[JCE]

Insurance is strange.. It's cheaper for me to insure a 2001 Honda S2000 than a 1997 BMW M3 Coupe. I really have to look up quotes on every single car I'm consitering. I'd only consiter the TT version, since I know if I bought the N/A one I'd be kicking myself for not buying the proper one.



And what do I do if something breaks? Where am I going to get the parts for it without having the car sit there while they get shipped to my house?
On top of that, I don't want to pay so much money for something thats going to need work.



All of those are in the range, but 928 manuals are extremely rare. 944's are expensive for a Turbo, and 968's are a bit.. lame.



Just like the Evo, it'll be hell to insure.

Read the first post to fully understand how car insurance premiums work if you are unaware. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=82807&highlight=insurance I also include a few of the symbol ratings of some cars you were looking at.

Oh I'm sorry. I should have instead listed a bunch of cars that no insurance company on earth will insure to an 18 year-old.

MistaX, do you still live with your parents? Nobody I know who lives on their own would even consider spending $1500 each month on a car (except those with six-figure incomes).

I have a couple of friends who spent an insane percentage of their income on a car, and they both immediately regretted it, and had to give up the car a short time later.

Also, it's naive to think that a car dealership is going to let you drive an RS4/STi/Evo/etc. off the lot without putting at least 15% down.

Reality bites, but you might want to start getting in touch with it.

+rep (*edit* it won't let me give you rep) I don't care how rich he or his parents are NO 18 yearold should drive any of the cars on his list with exception to the Starion/Conquest. Period. No kid needs to have that much power without YEARS of adult experience driving them. Driving from age 15-20 does not count as 90% of young drivers are irresponsible and hibitual traffic law violators.

MistaX don't take anything I'm saying personally, I'm directing my disapproval of ALL people your age who either start out with or drives something that has too much power or is too much vehicle (ie. M3 or Boxster etc) or both. It happens thousands of times each year, minors driving too much car and having an accident (or accidents)--with alot of them or the other occupants dying. There's nothing wrong with getting a sweet little Japanese econobox that's quick and reliable that has cheap insurance. But on your list I'd get the Starion or an older Z car that's not turbo. You might want to consider a non-Turbo MR2 either 1st gen or 2nd gen. Or a 240SX might be ok, not sure what the symbol rating is but I remember when I had mine at age 20 (with tickets) and the insurance was cheap enough...but that was 6 years ago and before The Fast and the Furiously Stupid, and way before the drifting scene in the US so don't count on it still being cheap. Again, don't take my comments as personal attacks towards you because they are not.

I speak with wisdom in all of this, my first car was a 1989 Dodge Daytona hatch. It wasn't fast, but it was a great first car. When someone drove into my lane @ 55~60mph and hit me head on and totalled the car my VERY next car that I bought with my own money was a 3000GT VR4 and trust me the speed will grab a hold of you and you will get tickets.

And finally, if you do make more than the $1500 a month why don't you be smart with the money and get some cheap car and save the money for something important like college or when you are older and more experienced take the saved money and pay cash for something awsome. You're 18, if you saved at least $500/mo until you were 25 years old you'd have $42000 that not counting interest. THEN could you imagine what kind of car you could put that kind of down payment on? Think about this...that's nearly 30~40% of the cost of a decent enough house.

*EDIT*

OH MY GOD SORRY I NEGLECTED TO MENTION THAT MY POST WAS INTENDED FOR AMERICAN TEENAGERS AND NOT THE REST OF THE WORLD. SORRY FOR THE CONFUSSION. THANK YOU THAT IS ALL.

 

[xXSilencerXx]

Read the first post to fully understand how car insurance premiums work if you are unaware. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=82807&highlight=insurance I also include a few of the symbol ratings of some cars you were looking at.



+rep (*edit* it won't let me give you rep) I don't care how rich he or his parents are NO 18 yearold should drive any of the cars on his list with exception to the Starion/Conquest. Period. No kid needs to have that much power without YEARS of adult experience driving them. Driving from age 15-20 does not count as 90% of young drivers are irresponsible and hibitual traffic law violators.

MistaX don't take anything I'm saying personally, I'm directing my disapproval of ALL people your age who either start out with or drives something that has too much power or is too much vehicle (ie. M3 or Boxster etc) or both. It happens thousands of times each year, minors driving too much car and having an accident (or accidents)--with alot of them or the other occupants dying. There's nothing wrong with getting a sweet little Japanese econobox that's quick and reliable that has cheap insurance. But on your list I'd get the Starion or an older Z car that's not turbo. You might want to consider a non-Turbo MR2 either 1st gen or 2nd gen. Or a 240SX might be ok, not sure what the symbol rating is but I remember when I had mine at age 20 (with tickets) and the insurance was cheap enough...but that was 6 years ago and before The Fast and the Furiously Stupid, and way before the drifting scene in the US so don't count on it still being cheap. Again, don't take my comments as personal attacks towards you because they are not.

I speak with wisdom in all of this, my first car was a 1989 Dodge Daytona hatch. It wasn't fast, but it was a great first car. When someone drove into my lane @ 55~60mph and hit me head on and totalled the car my VERY next car that I bought with my own money was a 3000GT VR4 and trust me the speed will grab a hold of you and you will get tickets.

And finally, if you do make more than the $1500 a month why don't you be smart with the money and get some cheap car and save the money for something important like college or when you are older and more experienced take the saved money and pay cash for something awsome. You're 18, if you saved at least $500/mo until you were 25 years old you'd have $42000 that not counting interest. THEN could you imagine what kind of car you could put that kind of down payment on? Think about this...that's nearly 30~40% of the cost of a decent enough house.

I got a 98' Trans AM and have a clean record, and don't find myself in too many dangerous situations.

 

[JCE]

Do you drive more than 5mph over the speed limit? Step on the gas when the intersection redlight light turns yellow? Not use a turn signal correctly (or at all) when changing lanes and or turning? Being in a dangerious situation is more than just driving wrecklessly. My point is MOST young people lack real experience and don't have the mature decision making skills needed for a higher performance car. If you truely drive the speed limit and obey all traffic laws then you are in the 10% of young people I excluded in my post for being unsafe/unexperienced.

 

[xXSilencerXx]

Do you drive more than 5mph over the speed limit? Step on the gas when the intersection redlight light turns yellow? Not use a turn signal correctly (or at all) when changing lanes and or turning? Being in a dangerious situation is more than just driving wrecklessly. My point is MOST young people lack real experience and don't have the mature decision making skills needed for a higher performance car. If you truely drive the speed limit and obey all traffic laws then you are in the 10% of young people I excluded in my post for being unsafe/unexperienced.

Sometimes depends on road and traffic flow. I don't step on it but I don't stop if I know I'll make it by far. I use it most of the time, but I admit sometimes I don't.

Ok I see your point. I'll respect it.

 

[Small_Fryz]

i just find it quite funny that most of the best drivers in the world are all young... Ferando alonso 24yrs old, F1 world champion. If you have the training and practise then by all means you can have these cars. If you havnt, then get some, otherwise buy something more sensabile.

 

[Dougboy]

i just find it quite funny that most of the best drivers in the world are all young... Ferando alonso 24yrs old,

Young people are not the best drivers, they are just the fastest. They are fast because reaction time, learning capabilities etc... gets worse as they age.

A fast driver is not necessarily a good driver. Fernando might be fast on the track but hes probly not a very good daily driver. Most f1 drivers tend to be bad on the road...fisichella speeding...ralf backing into someone else' car...etc...etc

 

[Max_DC]

Read the first post to fully understand how car insurance premiums work if you are unaware. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=82807&highlight=insurance I also include a few of the symbol ratings of some cars you were looking at.



+rep (*edit* it won't let me give you rep) I don't care how rich he or his parents are NO 18 yearold should drive any of the cars on his list with exception to the Starion/Conquest. Period. No kid needs to have that much power without YEARS of adult experience driving them. Driving from age 15-20 does not count as 90% of young drivers are irresponsible and hibitual traffic law violators.

MistaX don't take anything I'm saying personally, I'm directing my disapproval of ALL people your age who either start out with or drives something that has too much power or is too much vehicle (ie. M3 or Boxster etc) or both. It happens thousands of times each year, minors driving too much car and having an accident (or accidents)--with alot of them or the other occupants dying. There's nothing wrong with getting a sweet little Japanese econobox that's quick and reliable that has cheap insurance. But on your list I'd get the Starion or an older Z car that's not turbo. You might want to consider a non-Turbo MR2 either 1st gen or 2nd gen. Or a 240SX might be ok, not sure what the symbol rating is but I remember when I had mine at age 20 (with tickets) and the insurance was cheap enough...but that was 6 years ago and before The Fast and the Furiously Stupid, and way before the drifting scene in the US so don't count on it still being cheap. Again, don't take my comments as personal attacks towards you because they are not.

I speak with wisdom in all of this, my first car was a 1989 Dodge Daytona hatch. It wasn't fast, but it was a great first car. When someone drove into my lane @ 55~60mph and hit me head on and totalled the car my VERY next car that I bought with my own money was a 3000GT VR4 and trust me the speed will grab a hold of you and you will get tickets.

And finally, if you do make more than the $1500 a month why don't you be smart with the money and get some cheap car and save the money for something important like college or when you are older and more experienced take the saved money and pay cash for something awsome. You're 18, if you saved at least $500/mo until you were 25 years old you'd have $42000 that not counting interest. THEN could you imagine what kind of car you could put that kind of down payment on? Think about this...that's nearly 30~40% of the cost of a decent enough house.

Sorry, that is BS. Why is that so ? Whyt qualifies you to judge ? Don't take your own driver qualities and skills and set them as standart.

I live in Germany, and you know the Autobahn, right ? As I got my driving licence, my father donated me a Mercedes Benz C32 AMG with 343 hp for one day, since my own car, the Subaru Impreza WRX STi was no released yet. ... that was 3 days after I got my licence, and guess what, I hit Vmax of this car this day, not only once. Now, the fact that I did prooves nothing, it could just mean that my father is irresponsible and I am a lucky bastard, because I survived. Fact is however, that I am and always was a very good driver, I had and have a natural feeling for what a specific car can do at any given situation, in corners with FF,FR AWD, in rain, on snow. Although I've had no experience with carts or whatsoever before, I just had it. I was a lot better than my friends who also just got their licence. 6 months later I got my own Subaru Impreza WRX STi with now 300 hp, about 270 at that time. I race that car, on the Autobahn as well on the country side. But I drive save and in my 5 years of driving with everything from S-classes over Civic Type R and Porsche Boxter, BMW z1, Audi S4, Triumph TR6 or a rental car drifting through the touges of Japan ... whatever... I always drove fast and save, at least as save as possible. And it was not just by luck, that I didn't have a single accident.

I never got a ticket by the way, let's call it "instincts", since several country roads have seen me with "allowed vmax * factor 2,5 " at certain times...

I am no street racer, though, just to make that clear. I just love cars and driving them at the limits every now and then.

So I say it again, you are not qualified to judge in this case. You are not the center of the world, if I would do the same as you did with your post, I'd say :
Young people out there, after picking up your new driving licenc,e go to the next Porsche dealer, buy a 911 GT2 and have fun at vmax, which would be just as wrong as your statement.

Not everybody needs to save money, wants an own house or to wait the whole life for a great car. I say, if he can afford driving a fast car now, he should do it. especially because he is rather young, since you appreciate it even more.

Back to MistaX : Ask your local insurence company with the STi, maybe it's not even as bad as you think...imo you also have to consider that the car is very fast for a fair price tag... also, do you have the possibility to set your mum/dad/grandfather as main owner of the car, at least for the insurence company ? That's how I did it with the STi as I was 18, since the car would have cost me about 14000 $ a year... now we pay not even 2000 $....

 

[MistaX]

Back to MistaX : Ask your local insurence company with the STi, maybe it's not even as bad as you think...imo you also have to consider that the car is very fast for a fair price tag... also, do you have the possibility to set your mum/dad/grandfather as main owner of the car, at least for the insurence company ? That's how I did it with the STi as I was 18, since the car would have cost me about 14000 $ a year... now we pay not even 2000 $....

I'm thinking of doing that, because I've checked insurance on 3 cars I'm consitering, and each is over $10,000 a year. That doesn't put me over budget, but that doesn't change the fact that it's absolutely rediculous.

But getting my parents to agree to that.. well, that'll take some work.

The Z28 wasn't in my name, but I didn't buy the car. Insurance for that was around, oh, $1000 a year.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Fernando might be fast on the track but hes probly not a very good daily driver.

your right,he does seem to struggle with a megane

 

[Jay]

your right,he does seem to struggle with a megane

And now put an 'old man' like Motoharu "Gan-san" Kurosawa in the car.... 👍

 

[Diego440]

how the hell can you drive max speed on a Mercedes with 343hp and on street tyres, and still call it safe? That's just absurd.

What would happen if you're going the max speed and you fall in a pothole, or someone who's going 50 kph below you (and still in the fast lane) pulls up in front of you?

You say you're a great driver, I think you're incredibly lucky or incredibly stupid. Both of which don't count as being a good driver.

I've known many kids like you, who assume they're a better driver than most people on the street, and it's something very common with 18-year-olds; I was like that too. But it's only as you get older and wiser that you notice what a dumbass you've been, so nothing I say will make you change your mind, until you either have an accident, kill someone, or (hopefuly) just mature a bit.

Your post was amazingly stupid, and unfrtunately, I can't minus rep you since I gave you rep some time ago.

 

[Max_DC]

how the hell can you drive max speed on a Mercedes with 343hp and on street tyres, and still call it safe? That's just absurd.

What would happen if you're going the max speed and you fall in a pothole, or someone who's going 50 kph below you (and still in the fast lane) pulls up in front of you?

You say you're a great driver, I think you're incredibly lucky or incredibly stupid. Both of which don't count as being a good driver.

I've known many kids like you, who assume they're a better driver than most people on the street, and it's something very common with 18-year-olds; I was like that too. But it's only as you get older and wiser that you notice what a dumbass you've been, so nothing I say will make you change your mind, until you either have an accident, kill someone, or (hopefuly) just mature a bit.

Your post was amazingly stupid, and unfrtunately, I can't minus rep you since I gave you rep some time ago.

I always drove fast and save, at least as save as possible

That is simple physics, of course it would be a lot safer to drive slow, no doubt about that. Nevertheless it makes a huge difference if you are either a skilled driver or a poser without skills. Driving fast is sth everybody with an healthy right foot can do, driving your car fast and safe ( I say it again, as safe as possible ) is another story.

Also you missed my point. Driving at 280 km/h is debatable, ok, but the question was, if you should only drive a car like this when you are old. I say : no, every driver is different, and to say that ONLY years of driving qualify you for driving a fast car is just wrong imo.

If one should drive fast at all is another story and neither a topic of this thread nor of my post.

As it seems you are not very familir with the German Autobahn, although from what I know of you, you've seen many countries of this planet...
Driving 200-250 km/h is absolutly common here in Germany, and we have as much or even less accidents than most other countries on this planet.
Gaining a german driving licence is hard compared to most other countries and
we follow certain rules in order to prevent high speed accidents.

Well you mentioned a pothole, I'm not familar with that word, but if you talk about bad roads, our Autobahns are in excellent conditions, so that can't happen. Well I experienced some incidents and of course higher speed means higher risk, but in general drivers here in Germany are aware of high speed left line cars, so that is not a huge problem. And I have 4 brakes and the ability to control the cars I drive.
My Sti in particular is an extremly stable ride, with AWD one of the best brake systems availibe for street cars ( they stop my car as fast a lighter Porsche 911 turbo ). Still I know the laws of physics and that my brakes won't create miracle stops...

Well you judge my driving abilities and my IQ simply by a 30 line post ? Doesn't sound that intelligent aswell
I am no kid, I am 23 years old,driving my STi since I'm 18, I study medicine, my father, who payed a huge part of my STi, is a doctor aswell and he has seen many heavy car and Autobahn accidents in his life. Still he and even my mother have no problem with that car, since they know that I am responsible and skilled enough for it.

I don't drink, I don't party, I sleep enough and therefor there is no reason why I can't drive a sports car.
Of course it envolves certain risks, but racing my Impreza on empty country roads is by far safer for the community than a drunken 19 year old who wants to impress his girlfriend at 2 am when returning from a club...
I have good reflexes, I know how cars react, especially because I race them every now and then. I had some dangerous situations and with skills, the right reactions and luck I always got away.

So no, you won't change my mind, and I won't change it in future. And hopefully I don't kill anybody, but honestly, who can say that ? **** happens and I minimize the risks as good as possible. I don't drive fast in urban areas, so...

I mean calling me immature, stupid.. even incredibly stuid and a dumbass...That is not very nice .. based on some little facts I presented you...
...

 

[Pupik]

Four non-car-related questions to ask first:

1. Planning on living at home for the next five years?
2. Planning on dating anyone?
3. Planning to go to college?
4. Any other expenses (hobbies, savings, charities, Fabrege Egg addiction)?

Many 18-year-olds have a lot they want to do with their life at this stage, chances are that 3 or 4 of these are going apply to you, and they'll be more important than your car. Maybe your have some sort of assistance, but never count on it for long. There's always numerous expenses, both expected and unexpected, especially if you don't live with mom and dad. If your independence is more important than anything else, then plan "where to live and how to afford to do so" first.

Anyways:

You don't want anything with an insurance payment over $150-200/month. One or two speeding tickets or another accident, and those rates will increase another $25-50 (or more) at your age level.

Thus, at 18...don't buy a tragic heap of automotive problems no matter how cool it might look, don't tie yourself down to 5 years of car payments of a car you mind get bored of after a few years, and keep in mind that all cars depreciate to the point of near-worthlessness. They make a decent down payment if you buy something nicer each time you step up to a nicer car. I'd wager that 95% of all used sports cars are bound to have been driven madly by the previous owner, specially if a 18-to-30-year old male driver had it first.

Anyways, you're at a point where you have to make serious monetary decisions, and trust a lot of us, maxing out credit lines and credit cards is a terrible idea, just to keep up with the Joneses. You'll be paying off debt forever.

Seriously, $1500 a month isn't a lot when you have multiple expenses, unless that's entirely what you can spend on a car, maintenance, insurance, etc...then you have quite a bit of free reign. If you don't have a lot of money, then reliable transportation is the way to go: You can't get a rental car at 18, you don't want a serious expense (let's say, an A/C failure) taking a chunk out of your food and shelter budget, either.

Also, why do you need us to validate your purchase? Can't you just drive what you like to drive, the heck with what anyone else thinks (whether you're a drifter or not, people think you're a hick, an old granny, a show-off, geek, bum, wannabe, ricer, or what-have-you?)

Just some thoughts. I know I didn't recommend a single car, but I think you know where I'm going with this. In the real world, nobody really makes fun of you for having your priorities straight.

 

[Diego440]

er.... you think you're smart because you study medicine?

I know the Autobahn, I once drove 230kph in a BMW 525i in it... for about 3 seconds

The little facts you presented to me would qualify as a dumbass, especially since you justified driving fast with the excuse of being from Germany and knowing the autobahn. Still, I assume you're not a dumbass since those aren't your only traits.

No potholes? How about a defective lug in your wheel, or driving over some piece of metal a crazy Spaniard left while driving his Seat at 160kph? More speed means more risk, as you said it. And you may or may not be the greatest driver on the Autobahn, but I guarantee you not everyone is, and you can't be assuming everyone else will drive perfectly when you're going at such high speeds.

Which brings us full circle to the issue at hand. Will MistaX drive 250kph? Hell no! Maybe 110, tops... as long as there are no trains around. In that case he'll do 375, in reverse.

I'd suggest a good, speedy-ish reliable car. Older BMW, not necessarily M3... 325s are pretty reliable and I believe they came out good. It's a tad below the M3, but it's still a really nice car.

 

[Max_DC]

er.... you think you're smart because you study medicine?

Well, all a matter of definition. You can be brilliant at anything from maths to languages and still be an "idiot"...so what I wanted to say with "studying medicine" is that I know what a human can do and what he can't, what my car can do and what not ( had to learn a lot of different sciences ) and that I am responsible. I am not out there to kill people so to say.

The little facts you presented to me would qualify as a dumbass, especially since you justified driving fast with the excuse of being from Germany and knowing the autobahn. Still, I assume you're not a dumbass since those aren't your only traits.

Well, it was not my intention to make anybody think that being from Germany and knowing the Autobahn makes me an awesome driver... And I don't think I wrote it that way...but I think you would agree that driving over 200 km/h in Germany ( allowed and common, with drivers who know that fast cars will pass and with roads which are made for high speed ) is sth differnt than driving 200 km/h in the States...

No potholes? How about a defective lug in your wheel, or driving over some piece of metal a crazy Spaniard left while driving his Seat at 160kph? More speed means more risk, as you said it.

Well of course you can find a lot of things that will kill me. Like the piece of metal you mentioned... could however aswell be soem random idiot on any road on this planet. Ok there is an increased percentage... are you drinking? Are you smoking ? Are you driving a mountain bike ? I also don't want to die and driving fast doesn't mean dangerous driving - it can, but doesn't have to....

And you may or may not be the greatest driver on the Autobahn, but I guarantee you not everyone is, and you can't be assuming everyone else will drive perfectly when you're going at such high speeds.

Well first of all, thank you, I am indeed the.... ... no, well of course, that is right... but I tell you sth... driving at mid speed caused me more dangerous situations, because the other driver thinks : well he is going to pass, or not, or is he...oh well let's drive on the left lane...if I arrive with 200 km/h he knows that he should stay left. And have a look at EU statistics. If it would be that dangerous, why aren't there more accidents? I tell you why, because people around here are more careful...why? because they know that a fast car can arrive from behind every second...

Which brings us full circle to the issue at hand. Will MistaX drive 250kph? Hell no! Maybe 110, tops... as long as there are no trains around. In that case he'll do 375, in reverse.

Oh I remember that thread, well... tbh I prefer driving fast on small country roads, more fun than just blasting down a wide and straight Autobahn.

 

[MistaX]

Four non-car-related questions to ask first:

1. Planning on living at home for the next five years?
2. Planning on dating anyone?
3. Planning to go to college?
4. Any other expenses (hobbies, savings, charities, Fabrege Egg addiction)?

#1: Yes
#2: Have a Fiance, who's into cars and supports me getting a car. (But only a car she likes, of course. She doesn't want me to get an S2K because they're too "girly", or an Evo because they're too "Overloaded with flamboyant crap.")
#3: No, planning to devote my life to UPS (And it seems to be a good idea. Their career oppertunities are endless, if you work hard enough.)
#4: Car = Hobbie

 

[Nøz]

the new mazda MX5? it's a convertible but you can get with a hard top

 

[Tornado]

All of those are in the range, but 928 manuals are extremely rare. 944's are expensive for a Turbo, and 968's are a bit.. lame.

968's are faster than 944 Turbo's. They are a lot rarer though. On the plus side, you can trick people into thinking you have a 928, but it will be cheaper to run.