Oh NO... don't make me DRIVE that!!

  • Thread starter Thread starter Fade to Black
  • 86 comments
  • 4,144 views
Blackfish
I am not a big fan of small, Asian-style or Euro-style low-hp, low-speed cars. The Vitz is only one example of the style of car that simply does not appeal to me at all.

I a PRAYING that the "Used Car" option will include a broader range than it did in GT2. I PRAY that the option will exist to purchase an AMERICAN used car. If I have to drive around in a beater, I want it to be a Taurus, or an Intrepid or crappy 80's Mustang or the like. In other words, ANY other American car.

We love what we love, for better or worse. And I love American cars.
Click to expand...

The picture of the new Gran turismo world floating around here, I think it was either in the 10news scans thread, or the thread about the bible.
Showed
Asia used car centre
USA used car centre
European used car centre.
 
Since i got my Driving Force Pro, thers been an urge to race every car in gt prologue...even the crap autos, and i still find it entertaining and rewarding.
 
I find it interesting to drive low speed cars, it's a slightly different art to driving fast cars. It's quite easy, if you are driving on a flat course. If you are driving on a course with lots of gradient you really have to watch your gearchanges, and take extra care to keep as much momentum in the second half of the corner as you can. But really driving slow cars is all about keeping momentum. You can't be ragged like you can in higher powered cars.

When you are driving high grip, high powered cars, you have so much acceleration that you can quickly recover from a small loss in speed. You go more for the shortest route rather than the straightest route. In low powered cars the faster lines are often the ones that take you wider around the corner, that keep the speed up.

I think driving high speed/grip cars teaches you how to drive lower power/grip cars faster, but I imagine it doesn't usually work the other way round. When you change cars from a 787B to a Yaris it feels like everything is happening in slow motion - I guess it is. That's what I felt when, after spending all my time in GT3 driving 787Bs, Zondas and the like, I thought I'd give the Pro Vitz race a go. I never drove cars like the Vitz before, but I won every race in the championship on the first try. I just bought a 1.5 Yaris, tuned it to 272 hp, fitted some T6 soft tyres, and off I went. I didnt fiddle with the setup or anything, and it was just easy, I felt like I had an eternity to react to any little slide of the car. The only close race was Test Course because I had left the gearing as road gearing, and I had exactly the same top speed as the computer cars.

I think when you have dealt with a 900 hp monster, driving road cars close to the limit just follows easily, even if you have not done it before.
 
Okay, just to get the topic back on track a little... and clear up one or two points people didn't quite get :)

I WASN'T putting down cars just because they're slow... this is a "cars you hate" topic... and you can hate them for any reason... bad handling, lousy brakes, twitchy steering, or worse, steering that doesn't respond at all... and cars that look quick until you tune them, and find out that... well... they don't seem much better than when they were untuned! :D

Take the bigger of the Yaris's, the 1.5, for example. I tuned that, and it's little brother. Took them both on the 0-400 metre, timed them. The little brother was actually fractionally faster! Add to that, the fact it struggles to reach 300 even with it's 1.5 engine and well... dog. Get the idea? *warm grin*

Me, if I want an awesome small car, I'll take the suzuki alto works. That little 600cc engine might not sound so much, but tuned... 235 hp. 4WD with pin sharp handling, and great brakes. Top end of 270kph! It'd thrash the living bejesus out of a Yaris... not to mention give some far bigger engined cars a run for their money!

I also like the minis... and they're the slowest cars in GT3... AND the toyota pods... so I'm not phased by slow cars... just bad ones!

The Suzuki Pikes Peak could be described as a potentially bad car... yet i like it. 1881 HP, and handling that... well doesn't! Yet I like it because it's a totally insane car... taking tha PP round Laguna Sega doing lap times was a total trip... I managed to do it faster than an F1 car could manage... fun :D

So not all doglike cars are bad either. Just the ones that don't handle, accelerate and brake... or look like they should be fast but aren't (Mines race skylines as opposed to the road version... hmmm... 300hp less... not so good!)

Or how about the race NSX's... over 1,000hp, and can't even hit 400kph/240mph... not to mention that godawful engine note, even when tuned... compare it to say the 787B, with less than 1,0000 and over 420k... mind you, I still like the NSX's as they hande well, and have good mid range speed, so set fast lap times... but that's no excuse for being so darn weak in the top end!

Or even the race Zonda... 1,195 HP... amazing, until you find (a) it goes slower from 0-400 than the C12S (which has less HP) and (b) it's slower at the top end as well! :p

So it's what you like... or don't. For whatever reason... not just slow cars :)

Me... I just want to tune up a Pod, drive that alto again in GT4, and find me a slow, fun to drive car that handles and has just enough speed to win :D

Nuff said - FTB
 
the car I hated the most to drive in GT3 was the RUF CTR2.

It understeered like nothing else in the game. The fact that it looks so cool makes it even more frustrating.
 
kinigitt
the car I hated the most to drive in GT3 was the RUF CTR2.

It understeered like nothing else in the game. The fact that it looks so cool makes it even more frustrating.
Click to expand...

yep, that was a letdown. As is the Vanquish when you fully tune it. I dunno if it was just the way I set it up but that thing was a lawn mower.
 
Personnaly, any car below 100 bhp is a let down for me. But there are also some cars that underperform in some departments, like the Mustan SVT Cobra R in GT3. I was like WOW what a ride ( I love 'stangs ), it's gonna be a blast at 700hp but damn its has the handling of th Queen Mary and the brakes of the Flinstone's car.

I was disappointed a lot.

See ya
 
I prefer driving the 'slower' sub 300hp cars over Le mans cars & the like (Don't like the cubular Japanese cars though). I find them more satisfying & to me the driving characteristics seem more noticable, its also nice to relate to reality :)

The F1 car(s) in GT4 will just be a gimmick to me.
 
Personnaly, I didnt like VW beatle, that car had utterly crap performance (even when tuned), had a crap engine note, and finaly was crap looking. period.
 
DappaDaRealist
Personnaly, I didnt like VW beatle, that car had utterly crap performance (even when tuned), had a crap engine note, and finaly was crap looking. period.
Click to expand...

I drove it once. In the license tests. The "new beetle" 2.0l that is.

I do, however, appreciate the RSi and beetle cup cars. They were sharp.
 
Fade to Black
The Suzuki Pikes Peak could be described as a potentially bad car... yet i like it. 1881 HP, and handling that... well doesn't! Yet I like it because it's a totally insane car... taking tha PP round Laguna Sega doing lap times was a total trip... I managed to do it faster than an F1 car could manage... fun :D[/b]
Click to expand...

You make a few very good points in your post, but theres an option called settings to sort out acceleration and top speed problems, also race cars don't have to have as fast a top speed when they corner a hell of alot faster. As for this comment I've quoted, I smell bull**** at the end.
 
Civicbus
yep, that was a letdown. As is the Vanquish when you fully tune it. I dunno if it was just the way I set it up but that thing was a lawn mower.
Click to expand...
Mines a peach, it goes round corners like it's on rails sometimes. Next time I load GT3 I'll PM you my settings for it if want.
 
live4speed
Mines a peach, it goes round corners like it's on rails sometimes. Next time I load GT3 I'll PM you my settings for it if want.
Click to expand...

my vanquish is tweaked to deliciousness. It's actually one of the only cars I bothered to fiddle with obsessively, because the engine note is so sweet, and it looks sexy.
 
kx125z
The FIAT Panda. Unless it's FR. :sly: DRIFTING PANDA!
Click to expand...

Well they did do a 4x4 Panda. I wonder if you can still do idiotic amounts of tuning, that you could never do to the real life versions of the cars like in GT2.
 
kinigitt
I drove it once. In the license tests. The "new beetle" 2.0l that is.

I do, however, appreciate the RSi and beetle cup cars. They were sharp.
Click to expand...
The RSi was awesome. That is the ONLY beetle I ever drove aside from license tests and I loved it. BTW, this is coming from a beetle hater.
 
*laughs* Live4speed, you say how you agree with my comments, (without saying which ones!) and then promptly do nothing but moan about the ones you DO list... ummm, still think you're missing the point of this board... it's a CARS YOU HATE board... fidding around with the settings isn't going to make the damndest bit of difference, if the car is basically a dog... and isn't it smarter to tune up a car which is already good, and you like, instead of wasting time tuning up and tweaking something pretty damn awful to begin with...? Or are you just a masochist that way..? ;)

As for racecars faster corner V loss of top end... you missed the point again. In fact I praised the NSX's handling... said it was a great track car, but tell you what... you take that NSX on a test course with me. I'll pick the 787B. THEN tell me you're impressed with it's 1,000 horses being put to good use..! ;)

BTW Laguna Seca, I used the polyphony001, and the Pikes Peak, (top speed almost 500k)running at it's full 1881, and with every darn tweak to the steering I could think of. In a 0-400 race the Poly2 is only a few hundreds faster than the PP, over longer distances the PP is way faster... there's a few long stretches where the PP can get up serious speed... and even with the less-than-perfect handling, I managed to clock it one half second faster than the Poly2... though if I were obsessive about it, I'm sure I could beat the time, as the poly2's handling is far better than the PP... though you might feel differently, which is fair enough :)

Thanks for your comments though... it's always interesting to hear people who share a different view... just read what I posted a little more carefully next time, ok? *smiles*

Nuff said - FTB
 
I highly doubt that I''ll be keeping anything with the Daihatsu name on it in my garage... :lol: I think I'll be selling the Prius pretty quickly too if I somehow end up with one...
 
"Crawl before you walk." That's the way GT (except maybe GT Concept) has always been. You start slow, then you move up. Why start at the top and work your way down? I even prefer faster cars, but I'm not afraid to start slow. At one point, you're going to have to deal with these slower machines whether you like it or not. I know how you feel about dealing with slower cars first then stepping up. But it's like I say, you kind of have to grow respect for smaller and slower machines as much as you like larger and faster cars. As I said, I'd rather race a Castrol Toyota Supra than a stock Fiat 500R. If you think about it, in GT2, you had a choice of racing with a nice Kei/mini car, or a great used machine. My pick in GT2 would have to be the RX-7 Savanna from the early 1990s. You start with about 200+ horsepower, and it's rear-wheel drive. A Toyota Supra from 1990 or 1993 has 220 to 276 hp, also rear drive. Front-drive may be best left to rallying and touring car racing (just ask Alfa Romeo for touring cars), but it's good to want to race these machines even if this is all you can afford.

I'm pretty sure there will be used cars for more than just Japanese machines. Think about it like this. You want to be the best racer in Gran Turismo, but you have only so much money. So of course you want something good, even if it isn't fast. Things catch up in time. When you think you have the finances and skills to challenge greater levels, go for it, dude! Try to land those upsets on the higher levels. Then, you'll make more money to purchase faster and better machinery. I see it like an RPG and so this should be like one. After all, you start slow in Final Fantasy until you have all the firepower needed to beat the big evils including the final enemy. If it works for Final Fantasy, why not Gran Turismo? Dig me, man?
 
Maybe I have very few dislikes in terms of certain machines. I'm more of an enthusiast, so I'm not phased very much even if I have to race a hot pink VW New Beetle with Hello Kitty livery on it. against five other VW New Beetles modded the same way.
 
JohnBM01 Sure I dig you... but to save me repeating myself, I'd suggest you have a quick look at posting #64 which will answer your points about slow cars having validity quite nicely... :)

Nuff said - FTB
 
Amen to that, John! 👍 That's my strategy for beating GT4, and it's just like sex (;)), Start off slow, Be gentle at the beginning, and then when your ready, Go all out and show what skills you've really got!
As for my most hated car, it's the 1998 Dodge Viper GTS. I'd bet that a bicycle can handle the road better than that sorry exuse of a car. And the engine.... :grumpy: 8.0 Liter 450 horsepower v10? :lol: That engine is so big, the rear tires can hardly grip the road on exiting corners. 👎
 
live4speed
Mines a peach, it goes round corners like it's on rails sometimes. Next time I load GT3 I'll PM you my settings for it if want.
Click to expand...

sweeet, that'd be killer! Thanks in advance man! That's one of my favorite cars but it was a barge at times. :guilty:
 
If it has wheels, we can race it.
If it is in the game, we either have to race it or we get a chance for another car to be collected.
If it is not in your garage and you want to race it on-line, that means you either need to go get it NOW or you wait for the next race. You will not want to sell any GT4 car that you can use on-line.

Cheers,

MasterGT
 
For me, the cars that I hate are the FF with over 250HP. You really have to be at the very end of a corner to apply the power otherwise it will understeer like hell.

Also, I feel that the Model T will not be very suitable for tuning... Imagine a set of
28'' alloy wheels and a spoiler.. Great.
 
To be honest, I'd leave history alone. A stock Model T racing around sounds like fun. Speaking of classic cars, I wonder what it would be like if Bentley had some old cars from the first ten years of the 24 Hours of Le Mans. Of course, in the first ten years of the Le Mans enduro, how many times have they won? Five times.
 
I wonder how hard it'll be to drive those old cars? Especially with the DFP.. ye olde force feedback and all. It might take a bit of elbow-grease to turn them, and what about those wooden wheels? A track like Nürburgring could really cause problems.. hehe. I'm looking forward to it nonetheless, though.

I like the slow cars myself. Especially to start off with. I'm still learning the ins and outs of the DFP, so starting off with a slower car will be a plus.
 

Latest Posts

Back