Okay, WTF is up with the GT Kart Championship 125 Shifter??

[Polsixe]

This one is beating me too. Also the 5 lap Kart Space one at the earlier level. The long track kart races were not too bad, just those dizzy short short tracks have me tossing the DS3.

 

[Jbaffoh]

This one is beating me too. Also the 5 lap Kart Space one at the earlier level. The long track kart races were not too bad, just those dizzy short short tracks have me tossing the DS3.

Kart Space was killing me until I golded it and started GT Arena. I always place second or third, but my best is about 0.2 seconds behind. I HATE it!

 

[Emmcee]

Kart Space was killing me until I golded it and started GT Arena. I always place second or third, but my best is about 0.2 seconds behind. I HATE it!

Technique seems to be the key, feather that throttle and do a few practise runs so you know at which point you loose traction at which point of the circuit. I still havnt won gold at the arena but iam closing in, ill get it.

 

[Emmcee]

I love karting and regularly race myself, could mean my love for this championship, they got the realism of the shifters spot on, even to the point of loosing traction, really enjoy it.

 

[DNW]

Technique seems to be the key, feather that throttle and do a few practise runs so you know at which point you loose traction at which point of the circuit. I still havnt won gold at the arena but iam closing in, ill get it.

Basically this. I struggled a bit with the shifter at first, so I just did some free running in it to get an idea of how to drive it. The throttle and the brakes are it really. The steering and gears are nothing out of the ordinary, it's just getting the most out of the two pedals. With the throttle it's just finding that sweet spot where you can drive the kart out of the corner, maybe sliding the rear a little in a controlled way, but without ending up facing the wrong way.

 

[Emmcee]

Basically this. I struggled a bit with the shifter at first, so I just did some free running in it to get an idea of how to drive it. The throttle and the brakes are it really. The steering and gears are nothing out of the ordinary, it's just getting the most out of the two pedals. With the throttle it's just finding that sweet spot where you can drive the kart out of the corner, maybe sliding the rear a little in a controlled way, but without ending up facing the wrong way.

Thats exactly it, feather the throttle and accelerate through the slide if it does slide out, like mentioned above, it's finding that sweet spot between nailing the gas pedal and spinning out, extremly late braking is also required, later than any other car in the game. You gets these two factors right, you'll find yourself at the front alot quicker.

 

[Jbaffoh]

Thats exactly it, feather the throttle and accelerate through the slide if it does slide out, like mentioned above, it's finding that sweet spot between nailing the gas pedal and spinning out, extremly late braking is also required, later than any other car in the game. You gets these two factors right, you'll find yourself at the front alot quicker.

Those tiny tires melt so fast, accelerating through slides at GT Arena will spin you into the wall.

 

[Emmcee]

Those tiny tires melt so fast, accelerating through slides at GT Arena will spin you into the wall.

Not of you have mastered the technique it won't, if you have ever driven one of these particular karts in real life, the some knowledge has to be applied here as it is unbelievably realistic, driving the shifter kart that is.

 

[Jbaffoh]

Not of you have mastered the technique it won't, if you have ever driven one of these particular karts in real life, the some knowledge has to be applied here as it is unbelievably realistic, driving the shifter kart that is.

Ok, they spin ME into the wall!

I'm always second at GT Arena, usually 0.5 seconds back. If only I could do a 9th lap!

 

[Emmcee]

Ok, they spin ME into the wall!

I'm always second at GT Arena, usually 0.5 seconds back. If only I could do a 9th lap!

The last turn must be taken as quick as possible as this will decide how quick you are down the sweeping straight, I lift slightly in the middle of the apex, once you lift, you can't hammer the throttle right away, feathering is required, try a few practise runs, you'll see what I mean.

 

[Jbaffoh]

The last turn must be taken as quick as possible as this will decide how quick you are down the sweeping straight, I lift slightly in the middle of the apex, once you lift, you can't hammer the throttle right away, feathering is required, try a few practise runs, you'll see what I mean.

That's how I do it, but exiting the last corner cleanly is difficult for me.

 

[Emmcee]

That's how I do it, but exiting the last corner cleanly is difficult for me.

I know, it's difficult for me to, there is an art to it, just wish gt would allow you to shift body weight, it would be a little bit easier to control. It's just down to practice mate, i honestly think IMO, that the sweeping right hander at brands hatch is more difficult than that turn at the arena.

 

[bongoplyr]

As someone who finally succeed, I know it's trite, but keep at it. I decided the hell with it, I just wouldn't earn those stars. But then I'd set little goals. Just finish. I started writing down my times and tried to do a little better each time. You'll get it, but as I said, I hope to never drive the karts again.

 

[DNW]

Those tiny tires melt so fast, accelerating through slides at GT Arena will spin you into the wall.

I would suggest just doing some free running around GT Arena. Just work on getting a feel for it on your own, without all the AI moving chicanes trying to take you out. You definitely can slide the rear around a bit, but yeah, push it too hard and you'll end up in the wall, or facing the wrong way, or bogged down on exit. Once you get a feel for it though, you can start taking it further. Not just sliding the rear a bit on exit, but using it a bit on entry and mid corner to get the car turning how you want. But in a race with other AI cars trying to kill you is IMO not the best place to learn the finer details of it.

 

[nursemorph]

Kart Space was killing me until I golded it and started GT Arena. I always place second or third, but my best is about 0.2 seconds behind. I HATE it!

I feel your pain I really do. I was the same....only managing second place and usually about a second behind but I persevered, adjusted my driving technique and in the space of 5 attempts went from over a second behind to winning it by 0.7 seconds. Given you are so close, you have got the technique and everything down, it's just that last bit. The only advice I really have is: Limit yourself to 3-5 attempts and then go do another race or something else entirely and then come back later. The more I tried, the worse I got. I hope you manage it as it is very satisfying to have achieved it

 

[Jbaffoh]

I feel your pain I really do. I was the same....only managing second place and usually about a second behind but I persevered, adjusted my driving technique and in the space of 5 attempts went from over a second behind to winning it by 0.7 seconds. Given you are so close, you have got the technique and everything down, it's just that last bit. The only advice I really have is: Limit yourself to 3-5 attempts and then go do another race or something else entirely and then come back later. The more I tried, the worse I got. I hope you manage it as it is very satisfying to have achieved it

I hear ya. Tried today after a few weeks off, and couldn't do more than one clean lap. Then I went back to the S4 license with the Aventador. Still .8 behind gold.

I suck.

But given my suckiness, why do I win all the RedBull crap by 10 seconds every time? Because I have the reflexes to muscle stuff around instead of finesse? Hmm, maybe I need sensitivity training.

 

[nursemorph]

I hear ya. Tried today after a few weeks off, and couldn't do more than one clean lap. Then I went back to the S4 license with the Aventador. Still .8 behind gold.

I suck.

But given my suckiness, why do I win all the RedBull crap by 10 seconds every time? Because I have the reflexes to muscle stuff around instead of finesse? Hmm, maybe I need sensitivity training.

No, you don't suck...the Shifters require a different technique to everything else. I also did the Red Bull stuff pretty easily but had to put in countless hours on the Shifter@GT Arena. Have you tried changing the controller sensitivity (easier than sensitivity training lol)? I know others have posted videos earlier in the thread but when I posted a video of my gold attempt in another thread, a few found it useful so I will post it here and hopefully it can help you too:

[youtube]

The settings I used are:

Ballast 13KG +50 (rear)
Speed: Max speed reduced to 86mph
Controller Sensitivity: 3

Make sure that the quality is set to 720 or else or gets very distorted

I hope that helps and I really hope you manage to get it. I use a DS3 and use x/square buttons for brake/accelerate. The main thing that helped me get it was feathering the throttle through turns by tapping the x button which helps the Kart to turn quicker without spinning the wheels.

 

[Jbaffoh]

No, you don't suck...the Shifters require a different technique to everything else. I also did the Red Bull stuff pretty easily but had to put in countless hours on the Shifter@GT Arena. Have you tried changing the controller sensitivity (easier than sensitivity training lol)? I know others have posted videos earlier in the thread but when I posted a video of my gold attempt in another thread, a few found it useful so I will post it here and hopefully it can help you too:

[youtube]

The settings I used are:

Ballast 13KG +50 (rear)
Speed: Max speed reduced to 86mph
Controller Sensitivity: 3

Make sure that the quality is set to 720 or else or gets very distorted

I hope that helps and I really hope you manage to get it. I use a DS3 and use x/square buttons for brake/accelerate. The main thing that helped me get it was feathering the throttle through turns by tapping the x button which helps the Kart to turn quicker without spinning the wheels.

LOL. Thanks. I could never use a controller. I have a G27. I've used your settings to get silver. But after a few weeks of grinding the RedBulls for the 20,000,000 classics, I need to unlearn some bad habits before I gold GT Arena and the last two S licenses.

 

[I-Runner]

IT's not easy the last race , expecially because the approach at this race is completely conditioned from the previous , compared, easy two ..
I did this championship four times, the first one (12/2013) was REAL PANIC , if i had recorded my imprecations to KAZU he would sent some yakuza to eliminate me !!!

But sunday (02/21/2014) i did this championship in three different profiles and wasn't so hard or impossible .. as the first one .

My suggestions:

Controller Sensitivity: 3 or 4

RACE 1
-Speed ratio 190 km/h (~118 mph)

RACE 2
-Speed ratio 190 km/h (~118 mph)

RACE 3
-make some free runs in test mode, untill you're capable to make the average lap time of 26.000÷26.900 .
-speed ratio 140 km/h (~87 mph), BETTER is 135km/h (~84mph) moving the final cursor to the right a little bit)
All races without ballast , best lap in the third race 25.9xx

I use DS3

IR

 

[nursemorph]

LOL. Thanks. I could never use a controller. I have a G27. I've used your settings to get silver. But after a few weeks of grinding the RedBulls for the 20,000,000 classics, I need to unlearn some bad habits before I gold GT Arena and the last two S licenses.

Ah, okay, for some reason thought you were using a controller. The same principle applies though regarding feathering. I can't advise beyond that as I don't use a wheel.....would love to but not physically possible. But, yeah, the Shifters are completely different to handle than the RB's.

Off the topic: The Aventador licence....I used TCS 3 on that one and it only took a few attempts but then I have always been good with Brands Hatch as I know it from real life (watched motor sport there and also walked the full length of the track some years ago). My main advice would be to not be afraid to chuck the car into corners as it can drift the corners quite well. Also, take full advantage of the concrete areas behind the rumble strips on the back section...you'd be surprised how much you can cut those corners.

 

[Jbaffoh]

Ah, okay, for some reason thought you were using a controller. The same principle applies though regarding feathering. I can't advise beyond that as I don't use a wheel.....would love to but not physically possible. But, yeah, the Shifters are completely different to handle than the RB's.

Off the topic: The Aventador licence....I used TCS 3 on that one and it only took a few attempts but then I have always been good with Brands Hatch as I know it from real life (watched motor sport there and also walked the full length of the track some years ago). My main advice would be to not be afraid to chuck the car into corners as it can drift the corners quite well. Also, take full advantage of the concrete areas behind the rumble strips on the back section...you'd be surprised how much you can cut those corners.

I'm good with Brands Hatch in other cars, and other games. But with the Lambo, I feel like I could get my sailboat around the track sooner. Seriously, I'm ready to give up.

 

[Soupturtle]

My advice for these events is oddly opposite to what other people recommend. Set the transmission to the maximum speed. For all three races.

Why? The main problem with these races is spinning on throttle. Apart from that, it's pretty doable because while the AI karts accelerate faster, your cornering speeds will be higher than theirs and you can brake later. Long gears may give you a bit less acceleration, but that acceleration is delivered much more smoothly. By setting my gears very long I got the required smoothness without having to feather the throttle all the time (which is hard to do consistently with a DS3). I also short shifted for the final corner in the GT arena, since that's even more sensitive to on throttle spinning.

I really don't understand why people would recommend not setting your speed to the max for the first two races, as both on Brands Hatch and on Willow Springs you can get a significant speed boost if you're in the right place for a draft, but you need a long enough gearbox to do so.

 

[Sarkazmo]

My advice for these events is oddly opposite to what other people recommend. Set the transmission to the maximum speed. For all three races.

Why? The main problem with these races is spinning on throttle. Apart from that, it's pretty doable because while the AI karts accelerate faster, your cornering speeds will be higher than theirs and you can brake later. Long gears may give you a bit less acceleration, but that acceleration is delivered much more smoothly. By setting my gears very long I got the required smoothness without having to feather the throttle all the time (which is hard to do consistently with a DS3). I also short shifted for the final corner in the GT arena, since that's even more sensitive to on throttle spinning.

I really don't understand why people would recommend not setting your speed to the max for the first two races, as both on Brands Hatch and on Willow Springs you can get a significant speed boost if you're in the right place for a draft, but you need a long enough gearbox to do so.

I understand your reasoning for doing this but I can't recommend the technique simply because it's a technique that doesn't make one a better driver and rewards bad driving technique. If one works on their throttle and brake control instead then one becomes a better driver overall, not just with Karts.

We all drive with a different purpose though. If all you want to do is get through the series of races then your described technique might work. But if one wants to become a better driver then one should avoid it.

Sark

 

[JCH8r]

I wish they were all this hard. Makes me think and work on being smooth and I get to try my bad tuning ideas. Don't get frustrated. Have fun with it.

 

[Soupturtle]

I understand your reasoning for doing this but I can't recommend the technique simply because it's a technique that doesn't make one a better driver and rewards bad driving technique. If one works on their throttle and brake control instead then one becomes a better driver overall, not just with Karts.

We all drive with a different purpose though. If all you want to do is get through the series of races then your described technique might work. But if one wants to become a better driver then one should avoid it.

Sark

Fair enough. But to me nothing else in the game seems to require the same kind of throttle control as this one shifter kart race in the GT arena. In most cars you can correct what you're doing as you're going through the corner. In these karts you have to get it right immediately, or you're off. As a DS3 user who doesn't use traction control, I felt I couldn't reliably do this, and I had no fun with this zero error margin. This is also why I hated the FGT in GT5, and all the red bull cars (except the kart and the junior). If there's no room to correct a slight mistake I'm just not having fun anymore. I love driving difficult cars on hard tires, and I had a lot of fun going through part of the offline mode in a Maserati Gran Turismo on Comfort Mediums, but when the room to correct a small mistake is zero I give up.

Added advantage was that I didn't have to shift as much. Shifting all the way up and down through 6 gears on such a tiny track also requires a lot of concentration, as shifting too late or too early costs you a lot of speed, and the combination of that and the huge smoothness required just made the whole thing too nerve-wrecking for me. Just having to shift from 2nd to 4th and back allowed me to concentrate on my driving line and cornering speed. In the end, what I did is probably no different to setting the gearbox to automatic and traction control to something like 3-5, but I can still claim to play with only ABS.

 

[DNW]

Fair enough. But to me nothing else in the game seems to require the same kind of throttle control as this one shifter kart race in the GT arena. In most cars you can correct what you're doing as you're going through the corner. In these karts you have to get it right immediately, or you're off.

To be fair though, there's not really much else like the kart in the game. Considerable power for its weight maybe, but normally cars like that are I guess formula-type cars (i.e. high downforce with fat grippy tyres). And what else has no suspension at all and only rear braking?

 

[Emmcee]

I wish they were all this hard. Makes me think and work on being smooth and I get to try my bad tuning ideas. Don't get frustrated. Have fun with it.

If only codies f1 games were this hard, you would actually feel like you earnt that win instead of blitzing the field Vettel style so early in the race.

 

[alex1369]

The GT series is on its 6th title now, and the AI is the same as in the first one...
they will never get/improve this right...
But at least youll have a great handling model with nice graphics