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Welcome and thanks for checking out Dead Nuts Even Racing. The thread should be up and active within the next few hours. We are a spin off group from the Parity Racing League, with full permission from Mike 5927, the originator of this unique concept, that allows drivers of all skill levels to compete on, well, a Dead Nuts Even basis!!

Dead Nuts Even Racing Club

Welcome to the Dead Nuts Even Racing Club! Thanks for checking us out. We’ll try and make it short and sweet because you’re looking to race, not read! If you want the Cliff Notes condensed version of what you see below go to [post=7812569]Post 2[/post]

The Dead Nuts Even Racing Club is a spinoff of the [post=7009913]Parity Racing League[/post] started in the spring of 2012 by Mike 5927. It is unlike any other Racing you have ever experienced on GT5, online or off. To create the closest possible racing, Mike devised a racing system where, on your honour, you take a car of your choosing and adjust the PP level of that particular vehicle so that you can run consistent laps within a certain target range. Absolutely any car is in play, so long as when you are racing at your race pace, you are very close to the lap time target. Here’s a little more detail to help you get a feel for how things work:

Tuning – At your discretion, tune or don’t, full tune or stock, completely up to you.
Race Car/Street Car/Tuner Car – Whatever you prefer, so long as you meet the target time. And you can choose a car someone else is using as well, there are simply no restrictions.
ABS/Cockpit View/Gated Shifter/AT or MT etc. – Completely up to you. Many of us run without ABS but you can run with or without. Several use the shifter and cockpit view but you can do whatever you like. Choose combinations that suit your own preferences so you can enjoy the racing even more.

This is a [post=7236352]Typical Week of Qualifying[/post] under the original Parity Racing League format. Here are some typical changes in finishes for some competitors in back to back races:

1st >>> 7th
9th >>> 2nd
1st >>> 6th
2nd >>> 8th

Yes, it really is that competitive and anyone can win or place well!!

On the track, a dead even field of cars, with a 4wd mini-van, FWD’s, RWD’s, sports cars, an electric car, a 40pp spread from top to bottom, and yet everyone qualified between 1:22.605 and 1:22.931!!!! Some cars are tuned and some are not, some are just better cars than others, and each driver has his own unique skill level and combination of choices in view, shifting style and braking setup that lead to the differing PP levels.

Where Do We Race and What are the Targets?

Each week, we’ll post a Track/Tire/Lap Time combination in the second post of this thread and you’ll have 7 days to post a car choice and lap time like this:

Tsukuba 1:07 Sports Hards

Pick any car, hit the track online, and fine tune it until you are just reaching, but not exceeding the target time. Bring your car to the DeadNutsEven Lounge and race, simple as that. A heat or two to fine tune your PP as necessary and at least 2 or 3 feature races. A little over an hour in total.

Choosing cars and arriving at your PP level isn’t as difficult, you get a feel for it after a couple of weeks. Whoever posts the time for the following week, will include the car and PP level he used to obtain the target and once you get a feel for the PP levels of the other drivers it won’t be difficult to translate someone else’s PP level to your own. If you’re familiar with a few cars, you can spend a half hour or less each week choosing a car, and while you’re fine tuning you are also learning the car/track/tire combination anyway.


Which Cars Are Best?

While you can choose any car, we suggest you choose cars you can run consistent laps with. It may be spectacular to drive the Yellowbird around a track on Comfort Softs, but unless you are Vettlesque, it’s not easy to run the same laps over and over with that particular car and chances are you’ll make a mistake or two during the race and fall back and be uncompetitive. We want everyone to be in the mix and have a shot at a podium or victory but at a bare minimum be able to mix it up in traffic with confidence and control.

What are the Racing Rules?

Good rules make for good racing so we generally follow the GTP OLR. In a nutshell, the OLR"s provide a standard set of rules for passing, blocking etc. and what to do in the case of contact. We are a courteous bunch. We race hard but we race fair and clean. If you cause contact and impact another driver’s race, we expect you to pull aside when it’s safe and let them regain their position. We’d also prefer you err on the side of caution to begin with and not make high risk passes where grip is limited or room is tight. Going three wide into the first corner on the first lap at Deep Forest Reverse on CS tires is spectacular if you pull it off without incident, but the odds of that are slim and none and slim has left town, even for the most highly skilled of drivers. There’s no harm in backing off a bit, allowing the field to get through the corner cleanly, and using the remaining laps to set up your pass attempts.

It’s also true that many of us are “mature” individuals, which sounds better than old, which also applies to many of us. Our main focus here is to compete and compete hard, not just to win. No one wins here at all costs, it just isn’t done. Fact is, you just can’t win repeatedly, the competition is just too good, the cars are just too even and gaining enough momentum to make a pass takes some planning, patience and a bit of luck. Most of the room chatter is about the competition, the close racing, the spectacular passes, going side by side for lap after lap without contact. That’s what we celebrate here, although we do still congratulate our winners…lol. And while you don’t have to be mature in years, you do have to be mature in attitude and in your approach to racing.


Racecraft is the Thing!!

When all the cars run the same lap times as they do here, your absolute level of skill, becomes meaningless. In 99% of GT5 races, the best driver/tuner for a given car/track/tire/tune combination wins the race and if that's what you prefer there is plenty of that around and most of us partake in that kind of racing too. In the Dead Nuts Even Racing Club, it's good racecraft that provides the most enjoyment and often leads to the podium. Good racecraft means knowing your limits and sticking to them, knowing when to pass and when to back off, searching for a weakness in an opponent and setting up a pass several corners ahead. In short, we eliminate your skill deficit allowing you to compete based on your ability to out guess and out think your fellow drivers, not on your innate or learned skill level.

All you have to do to get started is post in this thread, send an FR to the DeadNutsEven PSN ID through your PS3, find the track/laptime/tire combo for this week in the [post=7812569]Second Post[/post], pick a car and start driving!!

We look forward to seeing you on the track!!
 
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Target Lap Time for Monday November 19, 2012 is as follows:​
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Tsukuba 1:07.0 on Sports Hard Tires
Target was set by Johnnypenso in a Spec Premium Honda S2000 06' at 415PP​


Race Date/Time: Monday November 19, 2012, 8:00 pm - 9:15 pm at the Private Lounge DeadNutsEven

How to proceed:

1. Choose any car you like, take it online to your own lounge or ours, fine tune it in any way that prefer, and run a enough laps on warm tires to make sure you can meet, but not get under the target lap time.

2 Show up at the DeadNutsEven Lounge Monday evening at the posted time. We'll run a couple of shorter heats, usually 3-5 laps depending on the track, to do any last minute sorting of PP and to get a feel for how the cars run together. After that it's usually 3 longer feature races. We'll generally keep racing for as long as people are willing to, schedules permitting.

Post your laptimes like this:

PSN ID/Car/Premium or Standard/PP Level/Tuning level/ABS on or off​

Example:

Johnnypenso/Honda S2000 06'/Premium/415PP/Spec/No ABS​

Tuning levels should be limited to Spec, Lightly Tuned and Full Tune. It's for database and comparison purposes only, there are no tuning requirements.
 
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Johnny, thank you very much for putting this together, I am very proud to be part of this league. Looking forward to many competitive evening of racing online with you and the entire group of Parity Pace Racer.
 
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Ah yes, three wide @ Deep Forest. I remember that fondly, as if it was only a week ago... :dopey:

Ferraridude308 / Honda NSX '97 / Standard / 425 PP / Spec-ish

Edit: As I was testing my NSX further, I realized that drifting got me a faster time. I knew that smoking my way around corners wouldn't really work in a group format, so I did a tiny bit of suspension tuning (raised the rear 3mm), raised the PP, and I arrived at a much more neutral car. Its not anywhere near what I'd call "lightly tuned," but technically it is. Its the same NSX that I used at Deep Forest though, so at least I'm comfortable with it.

Oh, by the way, I could turn one of those pictures I took into a banner for the series, or something. I'm pretty good at that kind of thing. I could even work in that quote by Cote a while back.
 
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That would be great Ferrari, JP has a great concept, he could speak to you about it, I was thinking on helping with it but at this moment I have no time to spend on it.

As unfortunetly ( for me ) I am unable to race Monday, I was thinking on racing Thursday Nov 22nd, I realise it is Thanksgiving in the US, but not every one is into family gathering, so, who else is game for the 22nd at Tsukuba? same target, same time as Monday.
 
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Whew that was a lot of work!!!

For anyone taking a look at the OP and first few posts, it'll be updated a bit here and there over the next few days. DeadNutsEven is PSN ID that numerous people will have access to, to facilitate the acceptance of FR's in a timely fashion, and so this formula can continue indefinitely even if the main organizers move on to something else.

We consider this a true community effort. While someone has to make the tough decisions sometimes, we are the type of group that prefers a friendly, relaxed atmosphere. We listen to input, although we can't follow through on everything. First and foremost will always be good, close, competitive, fair, squeaky clean racing. There is just no tolerance for aggressive driving here that goes beyond the GTP OLR's. If we think you are a little too hot under the collar on the track, someone will PM you and talk to you about it and you'll be given plenty of opportunity to work things out, but you have to work it out. There have never been anything other than isolated incidents in over 50 races so far and we expect that to continue.

This will be somewhere in the OP at some point but the principles of the Club so far are:

Johnnypenso
Trackbound7
Cote Dazur


PM any one of them/us with any questions you have and we'll get back to you as soon as possible. I'm sure if you're looking at this for the first time it's a little confusing, but you get the hang of it real quick.

Good luck and we hope to see you on track!!!


CHUCK NORRIS EDIT: We'll take any help we can get Ferrari:tup:👍 I'm about to crash so I'll PM you about it tomorrow at the earliest.
 
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Nice job on the new thread JP! Hopefully the refreshed look will bring some much deserved attention to this group...
 
Thanks Nappy:) I hope so too, this concept make such close racing possible, I'm really hoping business picks up!!

I've been contacted by a GTP Moderator and there may be some techinical difficulties with this thread of my own making. I'm trying to work them out as best I can, but I may have to change some things later today, I'll keep you guys posted.
 
Looks good guys. Is race time in the North American time zone?
 
Hmmm. Thought so. That's 1am UK time, way past my bedtime!

That sucks:tdown:👎 It's an interesting concept, if you have some mates that want to try it out maybe organize something on your own. We can always brief you on the in's and out's:idea:
 
Hmmm. Thought so. That's 1am UK time, way past my bedtime!

It would be great to have a Euro time zone friendly event, I would be available to set it up on Monday's or Friday's. What time would you think would work best for you, let me know in GMT. 1 am in UK is 1 am gmt, right?
Within your GT5 friends, would you think a few might be interested?

JP, I had an idea for the OP: in the Dead Nuts Even League you are always fast enough, the only question left is; are you smart enough to win?,
Racing witht he Dead Nuts Even racer is a mind game. Might be over the top but it is the idea, I know from participating in most of the past 50 events that most of you have out smart me many times.:)
 
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question what is the limit on how much faster you can go during the race because if someone hits like a 106.8 is that to fast even though it might have happened in the draft?
 
question what is the limit on how much faster you can go during the race because if someone hits like a 106.8 is that to fast even though it might have happened in the draft?

The limit is 1.07.000, I suggest you join us on Monday with the car you have posted, and all will be revealed, we are a very friendly group, and we race like gentleman, I am sure you will have a great time.
I understand you concerns, but you have them only because you have not had the opportunity to participate yet.
It is even more fun than you think.
Yes with draft, emulation, following a better racer with better lines, adrenaline from the fierce competition, you might be faster than the pace during the event, we all do at one point or another, don't worry about it.:cool:
 
The limit is 1.07.000, I suggest you join us on Monday with the car you have posted, and all will be revealed, we are a very friendly group, and we race like gentleman, I am sure you will have a great time.
I understand you concerns, but you have them only because you have not had the opportunity to participate yet.
It is even more fun than you think.
Yes with draft, emulation, following a better racer with better lines, adrenaline from the fierce competition, you might be faster than the pace during the event, we all do at one point or another, don't worry about it.:cool:

ok thanks
 
Great OP Johnny.

Izzy, from time to time we have an issue with someone picking up too much speed for whatever reason. We have a tolerance for the occassional couple of tenths that get shaved on a given lap or two. The draft is certainly considered as well. The problem arises when a driver is half a second faster every lap. The key is your mindset of what you want to get out of this group. If winning is all that matters, you will probably find yourself pushing the boundaries of the target time and looking like a tool. If racing is what you are looking for and integrity comes before victory, then you will have a blast.
 
Bad news fellas, I have to recreate this thread under my own profile. Having two profiles is a violation of the GTP rules. My only purpose in doing so was so we could hand off the reigns and the OP with it at some point to have continuity with the league and it's members in case I or the other leaders of the group moved down the road at some point. GTP has the rule in place for good reason, to prevent scammers, spammers and various types of hooligans from running roughshod over everyone. Since my purpose in doing so was completely benign I never even thought about it.

So not to worry, I have to recreate the thread, unfortunately I can't just copy and paste because the bolds and italics and links and all that stuff don't go with it. I'll get to it tonight and the new thread should be up when you wake up in the morning...lol.
 
Ouch... Good luck! I'll be ready to drop my entry for Monday in by tomorrow.
 
Bad news fellas, I have to recreate this thread under my own profile. Having two profiles is a violation of the GTP rules. My only purpose in doing so was so we could hand off the reigns and the OP with it at some point to have continuity with the league and it's members in case I or the other leaders of the group moved down the road at some point. GTP has the rule in place for good reason, to prevent scammers, spammers and various types of hooligans from running roughshod over everyone. Since my purpose in doing so was completely benign I never even thought about it.

So not to worry, I have to recreate the thread, unfortunately I can't just copy and paste because the bolds and italics and links and all that stuff don't go with it. I'll get to it tonight and the new thread should be up when you wake up in the morning...lol.

why not use your other account and delete the first one
 
Let's try this again!!

Here is the new [post=7815134]OP[/post]

...please shift over there..this thread will be closed or deleted soon....
 
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