One disapointment in the info from Japan...

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I don't understand why people complain about Nitrous, it doesn't send you into "warp speed" as the NOS FAQ says, so what's the big deal? I don't have a problem with making my car faster! đź‘Ť
 
We dont have a problem with tuners its the new generation of asshats that get in to cars for the "bling factor" and dont know what the hell there doing. They usually end up crashing by street racing and screw it up for the rest of us. Insurance rates are sky rocketing. People use to pay 150dollars (canadian) a month for full coverage. Now its 4times as much for basic. This new generation spawned by F&F have ruined it for the rest of us.
 
I thought I remembered one of the guys with GT4 stating you had to select a 50hp or 100hp pill before the race when using nitrous. For any of you who have used N20 in your personal vehicles, you'll know that it's the initial "hit" that is the most benificial (usualy used as a torque boost to get the car going). The faster you're traveling when you push the button, the less of an impact it will have. A 50hp gain isn't going to do much for you if you're already traveling 150mph.

Obviously this is not true when using massive amounts of juice on drag cars, but that's not what we're dealing with here. If you're driving a 700hp car, slapping another 50 on top if it isn't going to send you streaking through the field of competators. On the other hand, if you have a 140hp can and you use a 100hp shot, then you will obviously notice a nice kick in the pants. Either way, we're still talking about fairly small hp numbers here though. I'd prefer to have kept N20 for drag racing only, but since that's not the case, at least it doesn't sound like PD went completely overboard with it.
 
Homer_SS kind of summed up what we're getting at. We've had discussions like this in the past on GTPlanet. All I'm saying is that this is going to be a good feature for some, but a bad one for others. Someone who'd defend NOS in GT4 is likely to agree with this sort of statement:

EXHIBIT A:
"The Burnout series emphasizes crashing cars and taking out others. Project Gotham emphasizes fancy sliding. NFS:U emphasizes on the style of car culture influenced by the tuner crowd. So you can't honestly tell me that NOS in GT4 is going to KILL or DISAPPOINT GT4."

That last paragraph wasn't my thoughts, it was an example of what someone MIGHT say in this situation. I think even without online play, we have a sense of community even if we don't race each other competitively. In my view, the Gran Turismo series is about the celebration and admiration of automobiles more than racing. Sure, racing is the big priority, but we have a sense of community here. Even on Speed Channel show "Car Crazy," Barry Meguiar gives the tuner crowd some love. A tricked out compact isn't a disgrace to the car community, but I see it more like a common bond with other car lovers. We love cars. Doesn't matter what cars you're into, as long as you're committed to the automotive culture and as long as you have fun in the automotive culture, I say "it's all good." It isn't like I'm going to use Nitrous Oxide in 90% of the races I run in GT4. But in the spirit of love and respect for the automobile, I'm not bothered about Nitrous Oxide in GT4. I'm not a tuner afficionado; I just respect the automobile. And I feel that's more important in Gran Turismo than being concerned with Nitrous.
 
So the big problem you guys have with Nitrous is that it's in The Fast & The Furious?

Seems like a stupid reason to hate a car upgrade to me.
 
I think the biggest problem is as mentioned above.. the ones who will stuff nitrous onto every car they own, and use it all the damn time like the "Boost" button in Burnout 3. To a lot of us, that's like cheating. A lap time isn't going to mean as much if you "boosted" your way to the finish line. The game isn't necessarily about speed as it is about skill. The "NOS RULEZ!!" crowd are the same ones who are complaining that PD put the Model T and Daimler Carriage into the game, when they could have put in something faster. For them, it's all about how fast you can go. And these people will miss out on 90% of the game because of it. They'll consider the game "finished" once they have a few LM cars and the F1 car. While the real GT'ers will be playing until GT5 trying to find some elusive 70's "crap car" that we really want to drive.

John said: "A tricked out compact isn't a disgrace to the car community..", which is partly true. But I think it depends on what kind of "tricking out" is done to the car. Cars that are all about the bling-bling are the ones that people tend to frown on (or in my case, laugh at). But there are other types of tricking-out.. there was a car in the parking lot here at my apartment the other day, parked right next to me. It was a Nissan of some sort, although it had no other name on it, so I'm not sure what model it was. And it was quite tricked-out.. BUT, not on the outside. There was no spoiler, no neon, no flashy stickers, no body kits, none of it. But, according to the small stickers on the window, the inside had been totally overhauled. There were half a dozen names on that car, and one of them was Nismo (it's a Japanese company, some of you may have heard of it.. hehe). What that told me was that this "ordinary" sedan could probably whoop just about anything you put next to it. This car wasn't built for looks, it was built for performance. And THAT I can appreciate.
 
Yeah, but if you use nitrous all the time in GT4 you're gonna slam into a wall, and you're pretty much ****ed. I don't see how it'll be useful in GT other than on straightaways anyway. It's overpowering in a game like NFSU or Burnout, because it's super easy to take a tight turn at 200+ MPH in those games.

You're gonna need some pretty heavy duty brakes to slow down a nitrous boosted Skyline to 60 MPH in GT4.
 
mmmm... brake fade...

*opens eyes, looks around*

Oh right, nitro kits ...

I think that PD should have held it for drag races only, and they certainly should not let this be used in races. Sites like GT3 Times depend on people sharing their best time in races/license tests and free runs. Using nitro would not have a positive influence on times posted there. You may all say: "Then learn to use it strategically." To which I have to disagree firmly.

Jedi2016 put it quite well:
"For them, it's all about how fast you can go. And these people will miss out on 90% of the game because of it. They'll consider the game "finished" once they have a few LM cars and the F1 car."

Also I don't think AI will use nitro in races, so I don't see a reason why people should use it then. If you crash, bad luck, try catching your adversaries and drive like you never driven before, but using a bottle of nitro to gain your position back would be kind of silly.

This post may make no sense - I've been up for almost 20 hours, so excuse me.
 
Let me try to explain without attacking anyone. I guess a lot of us like to categorize or stereotype things. I think that a big way we can really understand something is if we see it in the media. The more popular things get, the more we tend to really refer to that example for when some situation arises for a reference is made. How do you think people like to refer to Britney Spears when concerned parents talk about how their daughters are dressing in trashy, provocative clothes? Or if not Spears, then Christina Aguilera. People blame hip-hop for violence in the streets talking about violence and stuff. And that brings me to this. We just have a tendency of referring to things and making examples, and one of the biggest examples is the "Fast and Furious" series. I seen both movies, and I can tell why people like to refer to such movies like this for talking about the tuner culture. It probably made this underground scene hellishly overground. Now look at its popularity.

As far as GT4 goes, I don't think any tuner culture is being involved with the inclusion of Nitrous in the game. Hell, what if someone made an "Fast and Furious" type movie with muscle cars and pony cars? What if this such movie idea came before the FnF with mostly sport compacts (there are some nice muscle cars in the second movie)? People would blame Hollywood and muscle car tuners for coming out with this. The point I'm making is that while the movie did bring about this sort of deal, I'm sure this game did NOT influence PD to add Nitrous to cars per the game player's expense. I'll stop here so that I don't get this thread closed down for bringing up already-debated material.
 
I don't see how it can be a "bad feature" especially if playing mostly single player.(Any other places are going to be easily controlled, i.e. a LAN game you can monitor use of nitrous and online play if someone is using nitrous, don't play with them again).


As for Online time standings, most places that host content like that require a replay(especially if it's something record setting)
 

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