Online racers so uptight

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Justin_L_311
Was running a shuffle race this evening on the 'Ring 24hr track. Was attempting to get past a guy but couldn't pull it off because he was right in the middle of the track and wasn't accommodating to the faster car.

Decided to take things into my own hands and put 2 wheels in the grass the next time I had a run on him and walked right by him.

I end up placing 2nd in the race and immediately get the boot once the race ends.

My fault??
 
Not really, but if the guy was the host you don't mess with him, no matter how cheap or hypocritical he is.
 
Exorcet
Unless he was outright blocking, you deserved to be kicked (or maybe more realistically, warned).
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A warning would've been more appropriate, but the host usually fails to do such things, and goes straight to KICK. Sadly this happens far too much.
 
Exorcet
Sounds like it. You cut the track to pass. Doesn't matter if you're faster. Unless he was outright blocking, you deserved to be kicked (or maybe more realistically, warned).
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I didnt cut a corner, I passed on a straight where I had a clear speed advantage.
 
If you had 2 wheels on the pavement then it should have been ok. Sure beats the usual punt into the sand traps people normally give in shuffle lobbies.
 
savage388
If you had 2 wheels on the pavement then it should have been ok. Sure beats the usual punt into the sand traps people normally give in shuffle lobbies.
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Yep, been on the receiving end of those.

Had the track been wider it would not have been an issue. But it was the Ring, its narrow.
 
mindspin311
I didnt cut a corner, I passed on a straight where I had a clear speed advantage.
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mindspin311
Decided to take things into my own hands and put 2 wheels in the grass the next time I had a run on him
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Intentionally putting wheels on the grass isn't usually a legal move.

Still, it really depends on if he was blocking or not. What I get from your post is that you couldn't get around him (not surprising on Nurburgring), you were faster than him, this made you feel [falsely] entitled to pass, you went off track to pass. If that's the case, I think you were wrong.

If he put his car in your face repeatedly, even when there were no corners in sight, then I guess your action could be considered justified.
 
SkierPS3
Not really, but if the guy was the host you don't mess with him, no matter how cheap or hypocritical he is.
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Why? Being kicked from a random room is that frightening a concept?

Not like you can just go open your own room or anything...

If it was a strait, if you have the ability to flash I would try that first in the future (some cars have this I think, some don't). Or horn. If he doesn't listen to reason and is blocking your pass I say you're more than justified. If he kicks you screw him. Go somewhere else. Plenty of open rooms out there.

EDIT: my comments are based on if the other driver was "blocking" your pass.
 
mindspin311
Yep, been on the receiving end of those.

Had the track been wider it would not have been an issue. But it was the Ring, its narrow.
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I was just in a shuffle race at the ring tonight and had that pulled on me and I was ok with it because he pulled away. My general rule is wait patiently a while and if he doesnt move or make a mistake press. As long as you showed you were faster and pulled away I don't see any issue with what you did.
 
Exorcet
Intentionally putting wheels on the grass isn't usually a legal move.

Still, it really depends on if he was blocking or not. What I get from your post is that you couldn't get around him (not surprising on Nurburgring), you were faster than him, this made you feel [falsely] entitled to pass, you went off track to pass. If that's the case, I think you were wrong.

If he put his car in your face repeatedly, even when there were no corners in sight, then I guess your action could be considered justified.
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I totally agree with you. Def. not legal, but this is also online racing.

Sure, in real life, a track day or even a real race, the guy ahead of you would realize you were supremely quicker and let you by. This doesnt always happen in an online race. When it gets to that point, I may make a clean move to get around that doesnt truly interfere with their race.
 
SkierPS3
Not really, but if the guy was the host you don't mess with him, no matter how cheap or hypocritical he is.
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I see the meaning, but disagree... the host isn't and shouldn't be treated like a God. Any host should be treated the same as others, and they should even be more upstanding.

As for the "middle of the track" thing: If he was consistent, then he had every right to be there. If he was moving and made double moves, then no.

I really feel the 2 wheels rule applied here (without seeing it), especially since it was on the straight. If it was inside in a corner... then no. If anything, you were slowing yourself by dropping 2 wheels. That's why most hosts choose Heavy/Real Grip loss-- you probably wouldn't have done it with that as you couldn't gain anything.
 
Yeah I think one of the issues with doing this in motorsports is obviously driver safety. (Imagine drivers purposely entering the grass and gravel at high speeds to slip by competitors. So many dangerous variables and it probably wouldn't actually work.)
That not being the case here, if it's a straitaway so you aren't cutting the track, the other driver isn't affected and you get the higher place then all is well in my opinion.
 
mindspin311
I totally agree with you. Def. not legal, but this is also online racing.
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Well, there's no law saying that you must, but I treat online racing like real racing. That's why I bought GT5.

Sure, in real life, a track day or even a real race, the guy ahead of you would realize you were supremely quicker and let you by.
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For a track day event, yes. In a race no. The lead car has no reason to give up its position (unless there is some rule saying that traffic must be let by, etc). They can't block either of course, but the point is, it's not a race if you just let the guy behind you go by. At least I don't like to see that, I don't like people moving over for me online. It just makes it feel pointless.

But again, online isn't a sanctioned race. The rules vary from room to room and person to person. You're not wrong to think that he should have let you by, but moving over isn't the official/proper way either.
 
I don't see hogging the middle of the road as okay unless it's the car's line into the next corner. Is there a more official rule regarding this? Always I thought that slower traffic was required to hold its "line." In iRacing drivers always seem to move over if they're obviously slower. If it's neck and neck that's different.

EDIT: I could be wrong. Just seems discourteous and childish. I know even the blue flag can sometimes be seen as not mandatory, but again if the speed difference was enough that your passing was inevitable, doesn't make sense for him to keep at it like that.
 
You're pretty much bound to hog the road on Nurburgring. I almost always wait for the straight to pass, even if it means sitting behind someone for 7 minutes.

Also, no offense to mindspin, but "hogging the middle of the road" and "faster car" are vague terms. I still can't tell if the lead driver was blocking or just following a line, and even if mindspin was the faster driver, it's not clear what kind of difference we're talking about.
 
Tower Turn 13
I don't see hogging the middle of the road as okay unless it's the car's line into the next corner. Is there a more official rule regarding this? Always I thought that slower traffic was required to hold its "line." In iRacing drivers always seem to move over if they're obviously slower. If it's neck and neck that's different.

EDIT: I could be wrong. Just seems discourteous and childish. I know even the blue flag can sometimes be seen as not mandatory, but again if the speed difference was enough that your passing was inevitable, doesn't make sense for him to keep at it like that.
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It's not "wrong" its just the way you feel about courteousness. Most reasonable online drivers that consider themselves to be fun but serious (like myself IMHO), goes by the rule of thumb that you get one move to not block, but the lead car gets to choose their line. The track here, is the difference maker. Just about any other track, we wouldn't be talking about this issue as much. Some go along with the "gentleman's agreement" of allowing space for the other driver. This is useful for a heavy damage race with many laps. If it's a 1 lap dash, no one will be a gentleman, as usually no racer will back off for the last dash of the race.
 
True, those things make sense. It is a little hard to tell without being there, and also there are a few straights at Le Mans I wouldn't even pass on because they're so narrow and bumpy (at night this gets multiplied). Could be this kind of a situation.
 
Exorcet
Sounds like it. You cut the track to pass. Doesn't matter if you're faster. Unless he was outright blocking, you deserved to be kicked (or maybe more realistically, warned).
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Two wheels on the grass isn't "cutting".

If it is, tell that to Seb Vettel after his Monza overtake of Alonso :rolleyes:.
 
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Had a similar experience today. Was shuffle racing with some guy and he was drifting in an RX7 and I had about a 5 second lead on him because he couldn't drift well and on the second lap he leaves. Honestly? It's his fault he's losing in the first place why leave?
 
People are highly offended by fast drivers.

I have had this happen to me on a number of occasions, If you know you didn't do anything wrong your simply too good for that room anyway :)
 
Mike Rotch
Two wheels on the grass isn't "cutting".

If it is, tell that to Seb Vettel after his Monza overtake of Alonso :rolleyes:.
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I and a plethora of others second that.

For the OP
This is my answer for crappy online lobbies.
Find one you like, there's plenty to choose from.

Predetermined dates not your thing?
Maybe this could help.

A final option is creating your own lobbies, that way you're the boss.👍
 
Tower Turn 13
Yeah I think one of the issues with doing this in motorsports is obviously driver safety. (Imagine drivers purposely entering the grass and gravel at high speeds to slip by competitors. So many dangerous variables and it probably wouldn't actually work.)
That not being the case here, if it's a straitaway so you aren't cutting the track, the other driver isn't affected and you get the higher place then all is well in my opinion.
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Vettel kinda did it the other week to Alonso at monza when Alonso was making his car really wide. Put two wheels one the grass, made the pass, and everyone said how it was a great pass. Dont see anything wrong with it if u didnt cut a corner.
 
welcome to GT5 online, i've been booted too many times simply for winning, sore losers a plenty, in fact it happened just last night, beat a TVR Tuscan in the Lambo Miura on the ring in a shuffle race w/ sports hard tires, this guy actually was quick so i guess he wasn't used to losing, either way got mad afterwards and i got the boot : )
 

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