Online racers so uptight

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Online is full of idiots with egos.

My main issue is not that people want clean racing, it is that on tight twisty tracks with lots of racers. The first lap or so is ALWAYS carnage and the first corner there is ALWAYS a crash. The only way to stop this is to race with a group of people who know how each other driver.

Everyone needs to chill out and realize that there are as many good room organizers as there is bad. If you dont like it, move on.

Just find me a room with like minded people who want to race as cleanly as possible, understand there will be incidents and choose WIDE tracks.
 
I always use the best racing line, but the others sometimes dont know what it is or they dont use them, so they go on the middle, and cut corners etc. Yesterday i was racing online and i crashed to one guy, because he was on the middle of the track, i tried to pass him, i puted two wheels on the grass crashed to him, he continues and i crash into a wall... Yeah sometimes this can happen.
 
Just another example being booted for being better than someone else.

It reminds me of this advert that I spotted back in the day...
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If its OK with Senna then its OK with me.
 
depends on server rules, but why should he accommodate you if you are racing for position? it isn't about being uptight but clean and fair!

if he was pushing you off track, or you trying to avoid a collision because he is swirving on the road, or you just bite the edges with the wheels only (not half your car is on the grass) then it's ok.

but if you are intentionally passing on the grass because you are frustrated then it is the exact same thing as cutting a corner, (except that it is a straight line).

hard to say from your version of the facts, but i venture to guess it's not as clear cut as you say and get the feeling you were on the grass. i doubt the guy booted you for just biting the edge of the track because he is a sore loser. did he boot the 1st place driver as well? (by your account he must have placed 3rd)

tbh there is plenty of room on the long straight at the Nurb to pass (even the straights before carousel), also plenty of corners to pass esp if you are the faster driver. if you can't pull off the pass then wait until you find a gap or driver in front makes a mistake. maybe you aren't as a good a driver as you may like to think and didn't deserve to be in front of him. having a bigger engine and being faster in a straight doesn't give you any rights

anyway i usually set options when i host that if you try to go on grass you lose grip and probably end up in the wall or at best lose speed :)

personally would rather race a guy that slams into me in a corner because he misjudged braking (provided he has decency to apologize) than cheaters. it's not always about finishing in front, many races i was stuck behind a guy and just couldn't pull it off, but still made the race more fun and exciting than if i was winning by a country mile. in fact, after the race, i always congratulate the guy in front for not making mistakes and dealing with the pressure.
 
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This leads to a point that should be obvious... don't drive a slow car right in the middle of the track so no one can pass you! That's worse than outright blocking, since the people stuck behind you can't be sure if it's being done on purpose.
 
Come across this a few times... a few days ago I hopped on to see what's new after 2.0 and got in a good lobby with only 2 guys on mics (I didn't bother hooking mine up). They were in game friends apparently and one was host. chatting about their shelby cobras and how awesome they are.

Then we go to SSR5 (or 7? I forget) and they are bitching the whole time about being rammed (when in reality EVEYRONE got rammed in the first few corners and the natural GT5 netcode caused some people to get flung ridiculously around) and then were bitching the whole time how they couldn't catch up and all the GTRs were going to place in the top while the shelby was clearly the better car. GTRs took 2nd and 3rd with a BMW taking first. I was the second place GTR.

They were bitching and moning and they decided we were going to rematch so reran the same course. Cars all stayed mostly the same and we actually got a reasonably clean first lap off so no bitching about being rammed (although there was contact, it wasn't the host or his friend so I guess it's all ok then).

First 4 places are the Cobras, the BMW and Me. I get ahead of the BMW and it's a great race, things are tight, top 6 cars are all withing a few hundred feet... but all you can hear is the two cobras talking to each other about how to block both lines, box people in, don't let em pass etc.

Whatever, I don't care, but second to last lap coming up the big sweeping right the friend is saying "stay tight inside, those GTRs can't take that turn tight!" and I promptly turn inside him getting up a leg on him and I am side by side with the host with me edging into second midway through the turn.

I can't see him and it's a tricky enough turn and I am technically ahead of the guy but he is on my door handle and as we come up my weight shifts and I feel the clunk as I slide into him from the inside. It's a minor hit and the car bounces and unfortuantely hits him again. Nothing I can do about this at speed with the wheel pulling back and forth.

The entire straight away he is hammering on me and he and his buddy are talking about how cheap that is and how I totally rammed him for no reason on the straight and how I am kicked after this race. I guess neither of them realizes that a GTR on the inside of a cobra on that turn could put the cobra into the wall every time if it so wanted to and neither of them bothered to notice that as soon as I could control my car again I took an unecessarily tight line losing speed to avoid further contact despite the fact I was ahead of the cobra and so he should be giving up his position to me.

We do the last lap with both of them splititng to cover both lines on every curve and prevent a pass and I get rammed by the BMW on the final straight so fall into a close 4th. The BMW actually was running dirty - drafted up to pass me, then when I drafted to pass cut me off hard into a wall.

I got kicked as soon as we hit the lobby.

Moral of story - a host can happily pick his car, then set the PP limit to exactly his car and then happily team race with someone else but if you even accidentally touch them, it's a kick...

Pretty annoying.
 
Nurburgthing.
Just another example being booted for being better than someone else.

It reminds me of this advert that I spotted back in the day...

If its OK with Senna then its OK with me.

Senna showed the world how to drive, so did Schumacher, this aggresive fightning style is what makes racing, racing.

As for the cutting to get past, i don't like it, but i probably would have done the same. But i would have had more satisfaction if i cleanily took him, side by side with a little push and shove.
 
Anyone heard of the ¾ rule? You give the car passing you ¾ a car width to the grass/dirt. If they want the pass, they take it. If they're not willing to go 2 off, then they didn't want the position.
 
Person in front of me has lower top speed? Time for a bump draft!

;)

hahaha one of my fav things to do, if someone in front of me is clearly slower and also blocking i'll draft them into a corner and let them brake into my car pushing them off their line then taking the inside to pass
 
Well, it's hard. Defensive driving often means that you have to pick lines that makes you slower (but that blocks the sweet spots for the driver behind). Just being faster than the person in front of you doesn't in itself make you entitled to a free pass (unless you are on different laps). What I find is that a lot of people online are very impatient. They expect to overtake at the same time as they catch up with another car. That is not how it works in real racing, the faster car will just have to wait for a good opportunity before they can overtake. And the ring is a long track, opportunities will come, and there's actually quite a few good places, even though the track might be a bit narrow in between.

Driving on the grass in order to overtake is not something I like, but it should mean a warning, not a kick.
 
Well, it's hard. Defensive driving often means that you have to pick lines that makes you slower (but that blocks the sweet spots for the driver behind). Just being faster than the person in front of you doesn't in itself make you entitled to a free pass (unless you are on different laps). What I find is that a lot of people online are very impatient. They expect to overtake at the same time as they catch up with another car. That is not how it works in real racing, the faster car will just have to wait for a good opportunity before they can overtake. And the ring is a long track, opportunities will come, and there's actually quite a few good places, even though the track might be a bit narrow in between.

Driving on the grass in order to overtake is not something I like, but it should mean a warning, not a kick.

While I agree with the concept, the problem is that a lot of races online feature a large number of cars and a relatively low number of laps... in real races you are looking at at least 20 laps on any normal sized track and even on the ring I doubt you would have less than 5 laps.

With only 1 lap of the ring or 3-5 laps of something like Laguna Seca you dramatically reduce the number of passing opportunities and if you have 9 cars ahead of you and are shooting for first, you may not actually have 9 clear passing opportunities before the race is over.

That said I think a lot of people need to realize that that what you see happening (even as host) isn't necessarily what really happened... a lot of time lag causes things to look one way to one person and differently to another often causing things to happen that a person just can't control.

For instance quite a few times I have done NASCAR on Daytona and we are all holding tight around a corner 3 or even 4 wide and then something happens... I know I was holding dead solid with my wheel, I have watched the line and I was driving perfectly... then there is a spinout and someone is blaming me for smashing into them or driving dirty...

I know for a fact I didn't, but that's what they saw on their screen.

Then there is a weird little dip right after the start line on Daytona that causes your cars suspension to go all weird sometimes... I have been pinned in next to the wall going into that spot sometimes and I have no choice but to hit it, and when I do my car wobbles often making contact with another car and then I get blamed for ramming... well sorry but it's not possible not to in that spot and you pinned me into that location.

Also sometimes you come up on someone and are going to collide and the game ghosts them to prevent it... but then sometimes you barely touch them and the game glitches and they get flung as if they were shot from a canon.

The problem is hosts seem to always beleive what they experience was a: intentional and b: preventable.

Truthfully it's often just not... so kicking people for weird occurances ultimately means people can't race close or they risk a kick.
 
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depends on server rules, but why should he accommodate you if you are racing for position? it isn't about being uptight but clean and fair!

Ok, so he shouldn't have to move over because it is competitive racing, but he should because it's clean and fair?

but if you are intentionally passing on the grass because you are frustrated then it is the exact same thing as cutting a corner, (except that it is a straight line).

How is it cheating? He was racing for position, he saw an opening, admittedly it was slightly risky, and he took the oppurtunity. Racing is about taking risks. Braking late, squeezing in the inside, these are all risks...
 
How is it cheating? He was racing for position, he saw an opening, admittedly it was slightly risky, and he took the oppurtunity. Racing is about taking risks. Braking late, squeezing in the inside, these are all risks...

it's not an openeing if he had to leave the track. seems some people have issues with racing ethiquette. you obviously wouldn't last very long if was hosting. anyway i don't care to argue with you, we just wouldn't race together and let's leave it at that
 
Where is it illegal? Leaving the track (2 wheels off) is legal in some road racing events. The ¾ Rule.
Four wheels off, aka Zanardi maneuver is not legal if advantage is gained.
 
I would have passed him the same as you.
And i also would have gotten pissed when i got kicked for the maneuver...

But! i'd be able to put it past me considering i would KNOW that the host was simply some uptight d-bag. Moral of the story: Let the d-bags feel good about themselves.
 
While I agree with the concept, the problem is that a lot of races online feature a large number of cars and a relatively low number of laps... in real races you are looking at at least 20 laps on any normal sized track and even on the ring I doubt you would have less than 5 laps.

this ^ not to mention any race with more than 5 laps and about 75% of the field will quit before the race ends, if they're not in any position to take the lead they just quit, another pet peeve
 
it's not an openeing if he had to leave the track. seems some people have issues with racing ethiquette. you obviously wouldn't last very long if was hosting. anyway i don't care to argue with you, we just wouldn't race together and let's leave it at that

2 wheels isn't leaving the track. I race cleanly, and admittedly, this guy maybe should have beeped or something, but it wasn't kick-worthy.
 
Two wheels on the grass isn't "cutting".

If it is, tell that to Seb Vettel after his Monza overtake of Alonso :rolleyes:.

Like with this case, I haven't seen it so I can't pass my final judgement, but I have no problem disagreeing with the FIA. And I have no problem with people disagreeing with me disagreeing with the FIA.
 
I had a similar situationgo karting this past summer. The guy was blocking, and I basically had to go into the grass to pass him. It didn't work well trying to go into the grass.

The 3/4 Rule is probably the best way to go, or something like that. Outbraking and passing should be considered cutting obviously.

Personally, since it is online and no one is going to die, I'd let it go.

In real life, I'd have to wait for the driver ahead to panic and get a good chance to pass.

I also have another passing question. Can you pass past the apex in corners?
 
Yes, I can see it both ways. Both are valid points. I do my best to race as clean as possible. If I accidentally bump someone to a point where they lose position, I make every effort to apologize.
 
I also have another passing question. Can you pass past the apex in corners?

Yes. You can pass wherever you can get around the other car without making contact.

Like this:


^^These are the guys I race with.

And here is a video of lots of passing. Passing Inside, Passing Outside, Drafting, Safely coming back onto track after a 4 off, giving way to a faster car, avoiding collisions... basically clean & courteous racing.

 
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Met plenty of honest people online. In shuffle(lol i was about to type shovel) races people become desperate in the last 2 laps. At least that's from my experience. Not always the same though.
 
G24
If your gonna race with the big boys, your gonna have to take those training wheels off, sonny

Well, thats not gonna be a problem any more because I am done online until Kaz makes it so you can't ban driving aids online.
 
Well, thats not gonna be a problem any more because I am done online until Kaz makes it so you can't ban driving aids online.

Thats never going to happen

Listen dude, you dont need aids. TCS, asm, active steering just slow you down.

Skid recovery force even says 'setting for beginners'

if you are a beginner, you shouldnt be racing online. if you aren't a beginner, ditch the aids

Obviously if you turn all the aids off and hop into an lmp car, you are going to fail miserably. ditch the aids and work your way up. You'll see how much tcs alone can slow you down

(fwiw I only play on servers with banned aids. I love how I can filter by skid recovery off, if you need help to drive I dont want to race with you)
 
Two wheels on the grass isn't "cutting".

If it is, tell that to Seb Vettel after his Monza overtake of Alonso :rolleyes:.

hardly his most impressive race tbh. how about that start and running Button off the track. completely unecessary and dangerous esp when he had already bagged the championship. Vettel can be an idiot sometimes. had hoped he had matured since last year. guess not.

much rather see Webber's pass on Alonso at Eau Rouge. now that's total respect 👍
 
Thats never going to happen

Listen dude, you dont need aids. TCS, asm, active steering just slow you down.

Skid recovery force even says 'setting for beginners'

if you are a beginner, you shouldnt be racing online. if you aren't a beginner, ditch the aids

Obviously if you turn all the aids off and hop into an lmp car, you are going to fail miserably. ditch the aids and work your way up. You'll see how much tcs alone can slow you down

(fwiw I only play on servers with banned aids. I love how I can filter by skid recovery off, if you need help to drive I dont want to race with you)

Well, if they slow people down, why ban them? Wouldn't that be welcomed by people as it would lead to easy wins? Also, I am an intermediate gamer, it is just easier if I do use aids because, I guess I'm not very good at racing games.
 
Well, thats not gonna be a problem any more because I am done online until Kaz makes it so you can't ban driving aids online.

Until you can't ban driving aids? It's an option... why would he set it up so you can't ban driving aids?

Well, if they slow people down, why ban them? Wouldn't that be welcomed by people as it would lead to easy wins? Also, I am an intermediate gamer, it is just easier if I do use aids because, I guess I'm not very good at racing games.

I am not quite as harsh about it as that other guy but the reason a lot of people like things like TCS turned off is that while it doens't make your car faster, it gives you an infair advantage in a contact situation In a tight corner when people make contact a TCS car is like a tank and blows through the competition.

Ultimately outside of ABS all the steering aids tend to make you slower so the most of the good drivers choose to have them off. A driver that prefers to have them on is often a sign that they aren't so good and thus are more likely to be making contact (due to poor driving skills) and when that contact does happen they also get an advantage as a result.

So basically people avoid driving aids because I don't want to have to turn something on that slows me down just to not be at a disadvantage when you ultimately hit me.

SRF just makes the game ridiculous and ruins the experience for a lot of us so that's kind of an aside.

If you like driving aids, set up a room that allows them and hopefully others like you will join... unfortunately it will probably be a rather crash happy affair (maybe not unfortunately if you don't mind that).

Once you improve you can step up to the no driving aids rooms.

Just consider it a ranking system of sorts which keeps people from being matched with people who will make the event unenjoyable. Think of it like an extensio of the "Race for fun" vs "Race for real" filter except this filter actually has some teeth.
 
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