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Discussion in 'Project CARS 1' started by Krizzay, Oct 13, 2015.
I just hope it doesn't get abused by big egos
That will always be an issue. Hopefully not as much as in the Battlefield series. Where you get kicked for being better in half the time you would for cheating.
Always a possibility, but in my GT5/6 experience it was a rare occurance. I spent a fair bit of time online in GT5 and early on in GT6 and I can count the number of times on one hand that I was booted for no real reason. In GT though it was always easy to know which rooms to avoid going by the room title (eg. U cant beat me sucka ), the hosts name (eg. Nascarsucks), or by the combinations or tire choice (most rooms using RS tires for example or Sports Softs on cars with 200 hp). That ability to pre-sort before you even enter a room isn't as good on PCars though.
This is a step in the right direction, but lots more could be done to straighten out the online situation. Without any real penalty for trolling other than getting booted, trolls can just go from room to room wrecking races and getting booted afterwards if the host decides to.
I find the best way to avoid wreckers is to avoid full or close to full rooms. That's the rooms these guys are looking for, where they can effect the maximum number of players. I find that if I stick to rooms with about 18 or less I get much better racing, that's for all sims. A lot of first lap issues IMO is frame rates as well. I hear people all the time say I only drop below 40 fps at the start of the race but by lap 2 all is good, yet all the crashes happen in lap 1 turn 1 where the fps are the lowest. That is probably the only time you don't want any drops.
400pp Comfort softs lobbies were the only lobbies I played in on GT6. If they can get close to that level of clarity and fairness. Happy days.
Clearly named. Clear rule set. Kick option for driving like a Fast and Furious blooper reel.
For a game so interested in pushing itself as an E-sports title. You'd think they would have gone above an beyond in having the fairest, cleanest multiplayer situation possible.
Sports Hard and down were the best Street Car lobbies in GT for clean, competitive racing, but also rare and rarely very busy much of the time.
Same for me. That was some of the best racing in GT5/6. Also shuffle racing was a blast on GT5.
But anyway i agree @Johnnypenso if they can give us the option to name are rooms then you can easily tell which lobbys are clean and which are dirty. I wonder if SMS is gonna add this soon because it would really make the online a whole lot better and more organized.
This patch can't come quick enough
It pisses me off so much because I can see the potential for such great racing, but it get ruined more often than not.
I hope SMS can do something about idle cars on the grid as well. Nothing worse than coming around on lap 2 and there's half a dozen cars still parked on the grid. Start/Finish straights are usually death zones.
Is it that hard to add a chat box? It would be nice if they add that in patch 6.0 along with host kick option.
carefull for what you wish for the last stuff they added broke other things
Yeah host kick has to be implemented, too many idiots on line.
Since there is on PC, surely not. Especially not on PS4 with the touchpad. Dont ask me why they dont have the feature in there since release already, no idea.
True. I guess you're right.
I had similar expierience on GT5 mainly because i was a Brit playing on the US server because i enjoy Nascar ,and i do agree with you ,the kick function should be host controlled
But i think for the hosts who abuse their power as you mentioned above ,a Host rating positive or negative too many negatives in a time period to the server will result in an automatic time ban on hosting rooms is a good way of cutting down on this
To take it too the level of iRacing your looking at people to monitor and moderate online lobbies entrusted by the Software makers and community .something that could have been organised in the development stage of this game seeing as it was crowd funded and people had input on the game
Personally i wouldnt have minded paying a little bit extra for the game if it took it to this level
Maybe you've never beat a host? Quite common in GT. unless of course you always go online with a group of friends.
But if you go online alone, expect to get kicked or punted once establishing your fastest in the room.
Happens ALL the time. For no other reason that people don't want to lose to you. If this has never happened to you?
A( you don't win or
b) you have not been around long.
I have been racing online since 2009 in GT5 Prologue. I used to race 6 mights a week at one point, & organise racing. Then I spent years in GT5 Shuffle lobbies, & raced in GT6.
Not experienced what you're talking about. I was threatened with being kicked out once because the host of a spec race thought I had used the power limiter, when I hadn't (car just didn't have an oil change). I explained the issue to him, & he was still being a twit about it, so I left. Apart from that I can't ever remember being kicked out.
Mind you, I was part of the Shuffle/Spec community that was full of gentlemanly & adult racers, I never went near the Racing Soft rooms, which I heard were generally full of kids & idiots. Maybe that's why I had such good online experiences. As a host I lost plenty of races, & I'd always congratulate the winner with a gr (good race), or a wd (well done). Rooms that I were in where I wasn't hosting also followed that same way of congratulating the winner.
Yah. Spec and shuffle rooms wee better because polyphony makes the rules there.
But step outside that and into one of the many pp based rooms where people tune and get more serious?
People won't like it when you come in and beat them in their own lobby. There's a big difference when someone feels like they own it because they started or inherited the room and have the keys.
If I remember right, would have taken a group vote to kick in shuffle mode. Been a while though. But people are much more chill in shuffle mode.
I believe you, but I never raced in PP based rooms, only in Tuning Prohibited rooms which attracted the more mature racers. However, Shuffle & Spec racing was taken very seriously, & the racing was intense - hard, fast, & clean! You can race seriously without racing dirty, the Shuffle/Spec community proved that.
Host could still kick in Shuffle rooms, had to do it a few times in GT5.
I raced in PP based rooms hundreds of times and only encountered this a couple of times. Not bragging either, but I won a lot, so if it was going to be an issue with someone it should have been an issue with me but it wasn't. A lot of it has to do with the types of rooms you enter as @VBR suggests above. Sticking to lower PP rooms like 400-500pp and avoiding racing tires tends to put you in a more serious and mature racing crowd. Even just being choosy with the room titles can help. I'd choose "450PP SS, Clean or kick" over, "You cant beat me !!" any day, regardless of the regs in the latter room.
In GT6's drift community, hosts abusing their powers was extremely rare. I only ever recall it happening in rooms which weren't really worth being in to begin with. I'm on a drift team that is very well known within the community, almost to the point of infamy. Along with joining rooms and eves dropping on the urban myths surrounding our team, having random people claim NEMESIS while telling me I'm not a member, and people being douches because of some preconceived notion based off of a rumor, I've been kicked from rooms simply for being part of NEMESIS (especially back in GT5 with the joining messages). That was still pretty rare though, and only ever happened with complete randoms. It more made me laugh than anything when it used to happen.
There was one time where I was kicked by a GTP member whom I've interacted with on the site for years. The room was V8s only, I was in a V6. I stepped out for a second, missing the chat box message. My friend PSN msg'd me a minute later, and I was kicked whilst in the process of changing cars. There was 5/16 people in the room. When asked why, the host told me it was because I couldn't read Didn't surprise me though, as this guy and I had been into it before (calling him out for being a douche and venting his anger issues at random people on the forums), so
He was just looking for a reason to flex his epeen
On the racing side of things, I can't really ever remember being kicked for no reason, hell I can barely remeber being kicked at all. I've been kicked from a handful of JPN rooms, but that's all I can really think of.
Like @Johnnypenso mentioned, I too stuck to the < 500pp, < SS tire rooms, and never had any problems. That kind of racing was a much more "serious" (ie people understood racing beyond Mario kart) and mature crowd.
Yeah. For awhile just after prologue, I was hammering through any room I could at 550 in my favorite Evora tune. On racing softs.
These were probably my peek sim racing years. Online racing was new.
Very few had as many hours on a DFGT and 3 prior GT titles than me.
I was pretty dominant back then. And still can be on GT in a shuffle or spec series.
Sadly that Evora tune didn't translate to my t300 well.
Had a good tune and I wanted to beat everyone with it. Including the tuning racing soft crowd. So I'd jump in any 550 pp lobby, (which is a very popular pp base) and dominate.
Got kicked a lot in that tune. Never when I didn't win or in something else as much.
Does anyone else remember that 550pp Evora tune?
Is it gtplanet legend status?
Got it here from vengeance tuning back in the day.
There were lots of good cars that worked well at 550pp. NSX, M3 GTR, M3 CSL etc. The Evora was just another car in that mix.
Sounds like a terrorist tactic.
Yeah, but nobody had nothing for that Evora tune.
And I got kicked or jumped for it a lot.
The old "magic tune" fallacy