Opel and Vauxhall Return to Gran Turismo With Corsa GSE Vision Gran Turismo

[Auditore]

I'll be honest, the more I see it, the more the Opel VGT looks not-real and immersion breaking to me in a way that most VGTs don't.

I don't know if it's the material/texture work, or the insistence on the super straight-line styling, but this looks very "computer game graphics-y" to me, whereas most VGTs, even if they aren't believable as real cars they at least feel believable as real objects.

I get what you mean, it looks like it was 3d printed.And i feel like that's on purpose

 

[tankuroded]

That diffuser is a hazard 😂

I kinda wonder if it going to affect the car's hitbox, too.

 

[Famine]

I kinda wonder if it going to affect the car's hitbox, too.

I SAID NO BUMP-DRAFTING!

«faint whirring»

 

[queleuleu]

 

[daan]

I kinda wonder if it going to affect the car's hitbox, too.

The car what? Bit harsh. You've never even driven it yet.

 

[05XR8]

That diffuser is a hazard 😂

It’s the modern version of this:

Someone tailgating? Press the “Back the bleep up!” Bumper Bar™️. There’s also the active Momma Said Knock You Out™️ Uppercut rear wing for SUVs that try to intimidate.

Both active aero pieces also double as picnic table and tent cover.

 

[Scuderia Paul]

The Corsa GSE VGT is pure concept car, almost Hot Wheels-esque in it's appearance, and I am fine with that. The unfortunate but inevitable thing is that it is electric and will be useless and forgotten about in GT7 very quickly. It is a pity it isn't a hybrid at least.

It is still great to see Opel back in GT and hopefully this leads to the future inclusion of some of their cool cars.

I kinda wonder if it going to affect the car's hitbox, too.

Doesn't matter as nobody will drive it after an hour.

 

[Ryan81]

What I don't understand about the Corsa GSE, is that it's getting all these advertising bells and whistles. It's not even a real world functioning car so why all the hype? At least the likes of the Mazda CX-30 and Nissan Qashqai can be purchased so it makes sense from a marketing perspective. Are people supposed to look at this car and subliminally think "I want a Corsa for my next car?" 🤔

Was that why the Skoda VGT was added...?

 

[snowgt]

As a concept car this is 10 times more interesting than all the hypercar VGTs of the recent past.

 

[suomi1]

What I don't understand about the Corsa GSE, is that it's getting all these advertising bells and whistles. It's not even a real world functioning car so why all the hype? At least the likes of the Mazda CX-30 and Nissan Qashqai can be purchased so it makes sense from a marketing perspective. Are people supposed to look at this car and subliminally think "I want a Corsa for my next car?" 🤔

Was that why the Skoda VGT was added...?

It was Skoda's designers who wanted to create a car for Gran Turismo, not Skoda. The initiative is private.

 

[Famine]

It was Skoda's designers who wanted to create a car for Gran Turismo, not Skoda. The initiative is private.

I don't really know what this means, and without getting the licensing for the brand name and logo into the game it's irrelevant what designers want.

Besides, the original car was shown 18 months before it got a GT logo slapped onto it, which very firmly suggests that it was Skoda marketing that wanted a VGT and pulled whatever the designers had in the master outbox to do it - while hoping nobody noticed.

ŠKODA VISION GT: a digital design model of an emotive, all-electric racing car - Škoda Storyboard

Mladá Boleslav, 20 September 2022 – ŠKODA Design has reinterpreted the concept of the ŠKODA 1100 OHC from 1957 and is presenting the computer-animated design model VISION GT, a study of an all-electric racing car made in Mladá Boleslav. Alongside its forebear, the design concept is currently on...

www.skoda-storyboard.com

 

[suomi1]

I don't really know what this means, and without getting the licensing for the brand name and logo into the game it's irrelevant what designers want.

Besides, the original car was shown 18 months before it got a GT logo slapped onto it, which very firmly suggests that it was Skoda marketing that wanted a VGT and pulled whatever the designers had in the master outbox to do it - while hoping nobody noticed.

ŠKODA VISION GT: a digital design model of an emotive, all-electric racing car - Škoda Storyboard

Mladá Boleslav, 20 September 2022 – ŠKODA Design has reinterpreted the concept of the ŠKODA 1100 OHC from 1957 and is presenting the computer-animated design model VISION GT, a study of an all-electric racing car made in Mladá Boleslav. Alongside its forebear, the design concept is currently on...

www.skoda-storyboard.com

Oliver Stefani (Head of design at Skoda Auto) : "This was a really very funny story in the beginning, because the designers started this as a lunchtime project, I didn't know about it in the beginning. So one day they came to me and showed me the first sketches and the first animations [...]. I was really impressed and said : Guys, we have to do this."



The Skoda VGT project no matter what it was at the beginning came from the base, not from the management's boss, nor from a Polyphony Digital proposal either. That was my point.
That's why I don't consider the absence of other cars from the brand as a missed opportunity. I don't expect to see anything else from them outside of their VGT anytime soon. They got their toy and that's about it.

Things remain open for GT8, however, now that relationships have been established.

 

[Famine]

The Skoda VGT project no matter what it was at the beginning came from the base, not from the management's boss, nor from a Polyphony Digital proposal either. That was my point.

Kay. I know. Why does that make it "private"? The bosses - and the marketing bosses in particular - have to approve it, and the car cannot appear in the game without that approval. Nor can the brand name, nor the logo.

I also know it wasn't a Vision Gran Turismo car originally, and Skoda is extremely careful in what it says about the car. Notice how Stefani says "one day", without specifics? That's because - as I linked you to - it wasn't a Vision Gran Turismo car; they repurposed the Skoda IV "Vision GT" (note "GT", not "Gran Turismo) into it.

Here's the former car, revealed in September 2022:

And the latter, revealed in April 2024, with the IV logos removed:

They even made a wee model of the original in 2022 (which I thought was 1:8 but actually looks like 1:6 here):

And hey, check out this statement from the designers in October 2022:

ŠKODA VISION GT: digital embodiment of sporting tradition - Škoda Storyboard

The ŠKODA VISION GT is a study of a single-seater all-electric sports car. It was inspired by the 1100 OHC that competed on racing circuits in the previous century. Here, the study’s authors give you a behind-the-scenes look at how it was made.

www.skoda-storyboard.com

We were just approaching the brand’s 125th anniversary and we thought we could celebrate the brand’s racing history as part of that. The freshly restored ŠKODA 1100 OHC proved to be a great source of inspiration.

“We considered simply reviving the original 1100 OHC, while the other option was a more futuristic design for the digital world of the future. After consulting with chief designer Oliver Stefani, we decided to combine the two and create a fusion of past and future.

No mention of Gran Turismo because Gran Turismo had nothing to do with it back then. There's also no mention of motive power because... yeah, no need for it. It was a design study, not a VGT project, and didn't need to go anywhere.


The concept was simply repurposed for VGT. We can speculate why, but "marketing wanted in on VGT to promote stuff, asked design, and design said 'hey, we already got this thing' so they went 'cool' and went ahead with that" appears more likely than "design pushed marketing to make this design study that had nothing to do with GT into a car for GT, and then marketing went 'okay' and granted a product/branding/logo licence for this one thing".

 

[suomi1]

Kay. I know. Why does that make it "private"? The bosses - and the marketing bosses in particular - have to approve it, and the car cannot appear in the game without that approval. Nor can the brand name, nor the logo.

I also know it wasn't a Vision Gran Turismo car originally, and Skoda is extremely careful in what it says about the car. Notice how Stefani says "one day", without specifics? That's because - as I linked you to - it wasn't a Vision Gran Turismo car; they repurposed the Skoda IV "Vision GT" (note "GT", not "Gran Turismo) into it.

Here's the former car, revealed in September 2022:

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And the latter, revealed in April 2024, with the IV logos removed:

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They even made a wee model of the original in 2022 (which I thought was 1:8 but actually looks like 1:6 here):

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And hey, check out this statement from the designers in October 2022:

ŠKODA VISION GT: digital embodiment of sporting tradition - Škoda Storyboard

The ŠKODA VISION GT is a study of a single-seater all-electric sports car. It was inspired by the 1100 OHC that competed on racing circuits in the previous century. Here, the study’s authors give you a behind-the-scenes look at how it was made.

www.skoda-storyboard.com

No mention of Gran Turismo because Gran Turismo had nothing to do with it back then. There's also no mention of motive power because... yeah, no need for it. It was a design study, not a VGT project, and didn't need to go anywhere.


The concept was simply repurposed for VGT. We can speculate why, but "marketing wanted in on VGT to promote stuff, asked design, and design said 'hey, we already got this thing' so they went 'cool' and went ahead with that" appears more likely than "design pushed marketing to make this design study that had nothing to do with GT into a car for GT, and then marketing went 'okay' and granted a product/branding/logo licence for this one thing".

I may have used the wrong word initially, but now you're quibbling around it.

I won't go into this little game which often ends in pages of discussions for a misused word.

 

[Famine]

I may have used the wrong word initially, but now you're quibbling around it.

I won't go into this little game which often ends in pages of discussions for a misused word.

I mean, alongside clarifying a major misunderstanding about the genesis of the car, I'm also asking about what you mean by the term you used so... 🤷‍♂️

 

[tankuroded]

Kay. I know. Why does that make it "private"? The bosses - and the marketing bosses in particular - have to approve it, and the car cannot appear in the game without that approval. Nor can the brand name, nor the logo.

I also know it wasn't a Vision Gran Turismo car originally, and Skoda is extremely careful in what it says about the car. Notice how Stefani says "one day", without specifics? That's because - as I linked you to - it wasn't a Vision Gran Turismo car; they repurposed the Skoda IV "Vision GT" (note "GT", not "Gran Turismo) into it.

Here's the former car, revealed in September 2022:

View attachment 1478015

And the latter, revealed in April 2024, with the IV logos removed:

View attachment 1478016

They even made a wee model of the original in 2022 (which I thought was 1:8 but actually looks like 1:6 here):

View attachment 1478017

View attachment 1478018

And hey, check out this statement from the designers in October 2022:

ŠKODA VISION GT: digital embodiment of sporting tradition - Škoda Storyboard

The ŠKODA VISION GT is a study of a single-seater all-electric sports car. It was inspired by the 1100 OHC that competed on racing circuits in the previous century. Here, the study’s authors give you a behind-the-scenes look at how it was made.

www.skoda-storyboard.com

No mention of Gran Turismo because Gran Turismo had nothing to do with it back then. There's also no mention of motive power because... yeah, no need for it. It was a design study, not a VGT project, and didn't need to go anywhere.


The concept was simply repurposed for VGT. We can speculate why, but "marketing wanted in on VGT to promote stuff, asked design, and design said 'hey, we already got this thing' so they went 'cool' and went ahead with that" appears more likely than "design pushed marketing to make this design study that had nothing to do with GT into a car for GT, and then marketing went 'okay' and granted a product/branding/logo licence for this one thing".

How does it compare to the other case of the other "retroactive" VGT, the Peugeot L500R?

 

[Famine]

How does it compare to the other case of the other "retroactive" VGT, the Peugeot L500R?

Honestly no clue, other than "well, at least you can touch what Skoda made, I guess".

I never even knew the car existed (for a low value of "exist") until it appeared in the car list, and then to find out it was already shown 18 months earlier was a double surprise.

 

[RACECAR]

At least the Peugeot L500R came alongside its racing version L750R that as far as I'm aware, was exclusive to GT Sport when it was first revealed.

 

[ArronWestley]

To me the problem with VGTs is more the conflict with the spirit of the game (driving/customizing) than what they are. As someone who grew up with futuristic racing games, I find the VGT races in recent GTs very amusing indeed.

Interesting that many of these brands which haven't been in the spotlight in a while tend to value the VGT program in detriment of licensing their own existing road/race cars. I believe that, for a brand like Opel/Vauxhall, which need to be talked about in a positive and forward thinking way, this is probably the best way to "come back", so to speak. It's not like Opel's cars have had a good reputation in the past, despite the existence of some fan favorites.

 

[05XR8]

You know what? I never really thought of the VGT as a Wipeout on rubber. Thanks for that little bit of insight. Really does place the VGT cars in a category of futuristic fun.

 

[OldandSlow]

Kay. I know. Why does that make it "private"? The bosses - and the marketing bosses in particular - have to approve it, and the car cannot appear in the game without that approval. Nor can the brand name, nor the logo.

I also know it wasn't a Vision Gran Turismo car originally, and Skoda is extremely careful in what it says about the car. Notice how Stefani says "one day", without specifics? That's because - as I linked you to - it wasn't a Vision Gran Turismo car; they repurposed the Skoda IV "Vision GT" (note "GT", not "Gran Turismo) into it.

Here's the former car, revealed in September 2022:

View attachment 1478015

And the latter, revealed in April 2024, with the IV logos removed:

View attachment 1478016

They even made a wee model of the original in 2022 (which I thought was 1:8 but actually looks like 1:6 here):

View attachment 1478017

View attachment 1478018

And hey, check out this statement from the designers in October 2022:

ŠKODA VISION GT: digital embodiment of sporting tradition - Škoda Storyboard

The ŠKODA VISION GT is a study of a single-seater all-electric sports car. It was inspired by the 1100 OHC that competed on racing circuits in the previous century. Here, the study’s authors give you a behind-the-scenes look at how it was made.

www.skoda-storyboard.com

No mention of Gran Turismo because Gran Turismo had nothing to do with it back then. There's also no mention of motive power because... yeah, no need for it. It was a design study, not a VGT project, and didn't need to go anywhere.


The concept was simply repurposed for VGT. We can speculate why, but "marketing wanted in on VGT to promote stuff, asked design, and design said 'hey, we already got this thing' so they went 'cool' and went ahead with that" appears more likely than "design pushed marketing to make this design study that had nothing to do with GT into a car for GT, and then marketing went 'okay' and granted a product/branding/logo licence for this one thing".

What is that car in the foreground in pic#3?

 

[Famine]

What is that car in the foreground in pic#3?

The Skoda 1100 OHC, which was restored at around the same time.

 

[VXR]

I read in the other thread that it will only be arriving as an Opel, so fair enough, that stops me getting carried away and wondering what production models might come with it. If they can't be bothered to add the Vauxhall version with it, I don't see why this will be any different to Skoda adding a VGT and calling it a day with regards to fleshing out the brand.

For the reasoning of adding the GSE in a game as big as Gran Turismo 7, I suspect they want to push the GSE brand as hard as they did VXR in the 2000s, just in a more digital way that befits the times.