Over exaggeration of "N" when downshifting?

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As with all NFS games, except the Original NFS, its always a love/hate relationship. I bought this game in hopes of passing time till GT5 is officially released. What a let down. Its amazing how spoiled we are with the GT series. Case in point my three biggest gripes about NFS Shift

1) The ridiculous over exaggeration of "N" when downshifting. The revs go way up and you loose time because the AI does not shift to the lower gear immediately, e.g. downshifting/braking before an upcoming apex. This whole mechanism of shifting stinks. And this stupid annoyance not only exists in Manual but also Automatic. What a freakin' joke. 5 thumbs down 👎👎👎👎👎

2) The controls. Why oh why is there no option to use the "X" button for accelerate and [ ] button for brake. I hate using R2 or R3 for accelerating. 10 thumbs down 👎👎👎👎👎 👎👎👎👎👎

3) What's up with the silly music in this game and the lectures you get about "race the line and you'll get better". lol :crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

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I agree with everything you said... the automatic tranny is awful. Your other points are spot on too!
 
Yep, I also agree. I'm not a massive fan of the game. Also, is it just me or it's just not right starting off with a BMW/Audi etc and 1 hour later, you are able to afford the Porsche etc. I found the game too quick to get through, not enough content for me. I also was hoping this would be a good carry over until GT5 comes out in March, but I'm sick of the game already haha.
 
As with all NFS games, except the Original NFS, its always a love/hate relationship. I bought this game in hopes of passing time till GT5 is officially released. What a let down. Its amazing how spoiled we are with the GT series. Case in point my three biggest gripes about NFS Shift

1) The ridiculous over exaggeration of "N" when downshifting. The revs go way up and you loose time because the AI does not shift to the lower gear immediately, e.g. downshifting/braking before an upcoming apex. This whole mechanism of shifting stinks. And this stupid annoyance not only exists in Manual but also Automatic. What a freakin' joke. 5 thumbs down 👎👎👎👎👎

2) The controls. Why oh why is there no option to use the "X" button for accelerate and [ ] button for brake. I hate using R2 or R3 for accelerating. 10 thumbs down 👎👎👎👎👎 👎👎👎👎👎

3) What's up with the silly music in this game and the lectures you get about "race the line and you'll get better". lol :crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

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I believe there is an option for the auto clutch on/off. I have my auto clutch on and I get the "N" between shifts but have not tried it off. I use a G25, manual, Pro, no aids and yes I don't like the option customizing the buttons (hopefully a patch soon). As for the silly music turn it off so you don't have to listen to it.
 
I agree, at first I liked this game, however after a week with it there just isn't anything that draws me into playing it. I will probably just sell it and get GT to fill the time between now and GT5. I think it would be a lot more fun if they didn't try and dictate how you play it, not to mention the bugs and overall difficulty of doing anything from painting to driving it seems overly hard.
 
I played the demo... I really didn't like the whole N pause thing, I found it made it harder to figure out which gear you were actually in, or should I say which gear you would be in when the clutch came up. To be fair to me though, I was playing it at 4am, not exactly the best time to be doing anything except sleeping, but I think the fact it even indicates neutral is an example of how it's not always best to totally simulate everything because you don't have all the senses you would have if you were actually driving a car.

An example of a simulator not simulating everything would be GT's flashing gear indicator to act as a track marker because you don't get the same sense of speed or the peripheral vision you'd have in real life; in the same way here it seems overkill saying you're going into neutral between gears, I mean of course you are, but you don't think of it like that when you're driving, you think of going from 6th to 5th, not 6th to neutral, then neutral to 5th.


I also found the actual driving to be something like sitting in the passenger seat with a stick and a Russian phrasebook instructing a Frenchman to drive for you; in other words it didn't feel like it was doing what I wanted and was really quite uncooperative. And the racing line lied. This is what I remember of it, anyway.
 
Is it just me, or even with auto-clutch turned off, is there a limit to how fast you can change gears? Some cars I'll change gears and it'll rev up before locking into gear as if the game is still registering the clutch is in when I'm putting my foot on the throttle, limiting how fast I can change gears. But other cars I can whip through the gears as fast as I can and it'll work fine.

Maybe its just me and I'm not changing gears properly in some cars :p But it sure feels like some cars limit the speed you can change gears, even if you have the auto clutch off.
 
Well, I don't agree. The only time you would notice "that N thing" if you are downshifting while accelerating. The only time you are supposed to downshift while accelerating is if you're an actor in a fast and furious movie. Downshifting while decelerating goes perfectly well and upshifting is fine aswell.
I bought this game only to have the nurburgring on the ps3 while waiting for GT5 and I must say I'm having a lot of fun with it. I'm practicly only doing single races on the nordschleife.
Btw. I'm using a dfp with the wheel settings found in this thread:https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=120537 and pro driving settings with no aids except abs.
 
1) The ridiculous over exaggeration of "N" when downshifting. The revs go way up and you loose time because the AI does not shift to the lower gear immediately, e.g. downshifting/braking before an upcoming apex. This whole mechanism of shifting stinks. And this stupid annoyance not only exists in Manual but also Automatic. What a freakin' joke. 5 thumbs down 👎👎👎👎👎

2) The controls. Why oh why is there no option to use the "X" button for accelerate and [ ] button for brake. I hate using R2 or R3 for accelerating. 10 thumbs down 👎👎👎👎👎 👎👎👎👎👎

3) What's up with the silly music in this game and the lectures you get about "race the line and you'll get better". lol :crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

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They don't let you X to accelerate because it's not an analog button. Imagine pressing a button to accelerate you car. How would that possibly work?

There is no automatic transmission. I suspect in automatic the game just does the stick shifting for you. It seems more realistic to me.
 
1) What's this 'N' you are talking about? Just to make sure.
2) You'd rather have an on/off button for accelerating....riiiight. Do you like GT5 for it being a sim?
3) I guess menu music in games is a novelty for you.
 
Sorry for not responding guys. I've been really sick and in bed for the past week.

"N" means Neutral. Last I check revs don't go up when I change between gears, sure they might go up if I downshift without double clutching (aka rev-matching).

And yes, all the buttons on the "keypad", X,O,[ ], ^ are pressure sensitive. I don't see why we can't use X to accelerate??

I will try the "auto-clutch turned off" suggestion made in this thread to see if it improves game play.
 
All I can tell you, is that with a G25, manual & the clutch NOT set on auto, the shifting works very well. There is much more feel to the shifting than with GT5P (particularly from a standing start). One peculiarity I've noticed, is that you don't need to depress the clutch when downshifting.
 
I played the demo... I really didn't like the whole N pause thing, I found it made it harder to figure out which gear you were actually in, or should I say which gear you would be in when the clutch came up. To be fair to me though, I was playing it at 4am, not exactly the best time to be doing anything except sleeping, but I think the fact it even indicates neutral is an example of how it's not always best to totally simulate everything because you don't have all the senses you would have if you were actually driving a car.

An example of a simulator not simulating everything would be GT's flashing gear indicator to act as a track marker because you don't get the same sense of speed or the peripheral vision you'd have in real life; in the same way here it seems overkill saying you're going into neutral between gears, I mean of course you are, but you don't think of it like that when you're driving, you think of going from 6th to 5th, not 6th to neutral, then neutral to 5th.


I also found the actual driving to be something like sitting in the passenger seat with a stick and a Russian phrasebook instructing a Frenchman to drive for you; in other words it didn't feel like it was doing what I wanted and was really quite uncooperative. And the racing line lied. This is what I remember of it, anyway.
That's pretty spot-on. Let alone the driving physics.

They don't let you X to accelerate because it's not an analog button. Imagine pressing a button to accelerate you car. How would that possibly work?
There is no automatic transmission. I suspect in automatic the game just does the stick shifting for you. It seems more realistic to me.
Yes, the "X" button is analog, I understand is was claimed at the PS3's release it isn't, but on my first 80G (was the big one then) it was analog, just not as good as the PS2's analog button, and now also on my 2nd 80G (small one now) it is also analog.
FYI, I drive with the analog sticks, and don't even bother trying anything other than on/off with it, because in NFS world, 30% throttle still spins the tires, and spins me out, so now I tap it on and off, works all to well.

Well, I don't agree. The only time you would notice "that N thing" if you are downshifting while accelerating. The only time you are supposed to downshift while accelerating is if you're an actor in a fast and furious movie. Downshifting while decelerating goes perfectly well and upshifting is fine aswell.
Does it matter that you're not "supposed" to do it? I can downshift a real car, from any gear to the lower, and I've never waited in neutral revving the car against the limiter.
Also, when you crash, or are crashed into by someone else, you might need to downshift when accelerating, which has apparently not happened to you? Once maybe? Twice?
I really don't know if you intended it or not, but your post comes across extremely condescending, as though only idiots could ever have this problem, and as though it's not a factor, because everyone so good as you would never be caught foolishly downshifting when accelerating.
But I guess you did mean too, with your "fast and furios" movie remark. That gives your post a general 👎 and a :dunce:
bought this game only to have the nurburgring on the ps3 while waiting for GT5 and I must say I'm having a lot of fun with it. I'm practicly only doing single races on the nordschleife.
Once you remember what everything is, with how different it looks, yeah, the "nurb's ok, but you can't get close races on it to often. :grumpy:

EDIT: Anyone else notice the over-using of the phrase "podium finish"? I'm so sick of hearing it, I don't even want to consider myself having gotten it.
 
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Does it matter that you're not "supposed" to do it? I can downshift a real car, from any gear to the lower, and I've never waited in neutral revving the car against the limiter.
Also, when you crash, or are crashed into by someone else, you might need to downshift when accelerating, which has apparently not happened to you? Once maybe? Twice?
I really don't know if you intended it or not, but your post comes across extremely condescending, as though only idiots could ever have this problem, and as though it's not a factor, because everyone so good as you would never be caught foolishly downshifting when accelerating.

Nope, it wasn't intended to be condescending.
Point is the only time it happens is if you downshift while depressing (is that the right word?) the throttle. If you would do the same thing irl the same thing would happen. If you by some reason find you are in a too high gear while accelerating just release the throttle while you downshift, both ingame as irl.
And you can tell by my first post that it did happen to me, otherwise I wouldn't even know what this topic was about. The reason this happens to a lot of people is because most other games will automatically release the throttle while shifting.
 
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