Overestimated or surprisingly bad cars.

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DA__dogg
I was disappointed in the Lister Storm. Doesn't seem to have any speed at all but it could just be my tuning, or lack of it lol.
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Lister Storm was an endurance racer and i think it's main strengts were the tire wear and durability, neither that really matter in GT5. In GTR 2 it had a reputation for being a noob friendly racer that served as a good entry level car when first trying GT1 class racing (it was an old car by the time depicted in the game).
 
In my opinion, my Enzo has a lot of oversteer, and is really fast.

It's just that compared to Super GT cars, LMP cars, and F1 cars, it's slow.



Personally, I think the NASCAR COT is bad, not because it's slow, but because of how unrealistic is is, driving about 20+ MPH faster then real life at Daytona. Also, I think the Ford GT40 is really bad, it's about 3 seconds slower then the XJ13 for me in testing, when on paper is should be faster.
 
samie57
DUDE! You gotta share setup,I can't really tune for Handling I can only tune for drift or drag.
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Just wrapping up a tune of the Viper SRT10 ACR for a friend. They requested one tuned for Nürburgring Nordschleife no HP added running on Race Hard tires. I'm not a very good driver, but I seem to have a bit of a knack for tuning cars. That said I'm running in the 6:55 range with the car and I'm sure my friend who is a very good driver will be sub 6:20 with it. Just got permission so I'll publish the tune in my garage (see my signature for link) tomorrow.

As for overrated cars I tend to be a bit contrary if a majority of people are using a certain car I'm looking for a competitive alternative. So I think cars like just about any of the RMs are overrated especially in lower PP contests.
 
I take back what I said about the 458, It's a lot better with the wheel and quite faster
 
savage388
The ACR handles great stock. With a thousand hp how good do you expect a street car to handle?
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The ACR should be able to outhandle race cars. It pretty clearly does not, because of how bad of a job PD did recreating it.

DA__dogg
I was disappointed in the Lister Storm. Doesn't seem to have any speed at all but it could just be my tuning, or lack of it lol.
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This one is also very poorly represented by the game.

Paul2448
Personally, I think the NASCAR COT is bad, not because it's slow, but because of how unrealistic is is, driving about 20+ MPH faster then real life at Daytona.
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The NASCAR models don't have restrictor plates in the game. They should be far faster than they are in real life.
 
Toronado
The NASCAR models don't have restrictor plates in the game. They should be far faster than they are in real life.
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And that begs the question of why they didn't design the cars with the plate built into the cars, since they clearly planned for them to run on Daytona.
 
Paul2448
And that begs the question of why they didn't design the cars with the plate built into the cars, since they clearly planned for them to run on Daytona.
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Once they added the engine limiter it pretty much replicates the plate. Why they don't implement it for the series probably is due to only Daytona requiring it (plus its not 100% a NASCAR game).
 
Toronado
The ACR should be able to outhandle race cars. It pretty clearly does not, because of how bad of a job PD did recreating it.


Not really given how much it weighs but if you can drive it you can beat super gt cars on some tracks. Your expectations are just too high thinking a 3300 pound car can beat purpose built race cars that weigh a thousand pounds less.


The NASCAR models don't have restrictor plates in the game. They should be far faster than they are in real life.
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NASCAR's are way faster than they are in real life. If anything pd made then too fast around road courses to be realistic. I mean in real life the suspension is very soft and they are picking up the inside front tire on corners.
 
I would like to retract my statement on the Enzo, i tuned it some and now it handles much better.
 
Caterham anyone? After reading many articles in magazines about it's handling and it's acceleration etc. I was expecting acceleration to match most stock super cars but I was left feeling very underwhelmed... Good handling yes but the acceleration was just so average. Nothing how I thought it would go like!
 
The Veyron, to my eyes at least, handles about like one would expect a small 4WD moon with a huge power plant to handle. Drive it the way it needs to be driven and you can get some very nice results. It is however massively overhyped
 
I spent ages waiting for the McLaren F1 GTR to turn up in the UCD (it was one of the last 4 cars I needed) and then when I got it, it was oversteery like a beach. Probably I'm being lazy cos I can't be bothered to work on the setup, but I think I like driving the road version better.
 
The Veyron was a disappointment, especially when I got my second one :dunce::yuck:
 
The Enzo: Awful Brakes and handling for a 1000-1100 Kg. car... :sly:
 
Blitz24
Once they added the engine limiter it pretty much replicates the plate. Why they don't implement it for the series probably is due to only Daytona requiring it (plus its not 100% a NASCAR game).
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In theory it should do that, but it's not the same.

Restrictor plates cause NASCAR COT's to loose a ton of torque, causing them to take 2 laps to get up to speed, while the limiter mosly lowers the top speed of cars without lower the torque that much.
 
I overestimated the Veyron at first. It can win the Daytona Like the Wind race but in the GT All Stars it isn't good enough.

Also, I won't call the S2000 GT1 Turbo 'overestimated' since everyone likes it but me :rolleyes: but I just find it almost politically incorrect.

FGT is a maybe, its event is retarded and there is room for improvement in the handling somewhat but it is so fast out of the corners. X2010 is also kind of a maybe depending on how you use it. Sadly I have no more than a DS3 so yeah :indiff:
 
Paul2448
And that begs the question of why they didn't design the cars with the plate built into the cars, since they clearly planned for them to run on Daytona.
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Because this isn't a NASCAR game, and Daytona isn't the only track in it.

rapida diablo
Caterham anyone? After reading many articles in magazines about it's handling and it's acceleration etc. I was expecting acceleration to match most stock super cars but I was left feeling very underwhelmed... Good handling yes but the acceleration was just so average. Nothing how I thought it would go like!
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Also a result of a screwup, sadly.
 
Tireseas
The Veyron, to my eyes at least, handles about like one would expect a small 4WD moon with a huge power plant to handle. Drive it the way it needs to be driven and you can get some very nice results. It is however massively overhyped
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It wasn't intended to be a nimble car, They just wanted something that could beat anything in a drag race, and yet still be a luxury car, after all it was only intended for road use with the occaisional thrill factor on open stretches, once the ssc ultimate aero came out it was no longer the fastest road car, hence the supersport
 
The Enzo. Looks great, jaws will drop if you see one in the street, they positively drooled over it in Top Gear...

but get it on the track untuned and it's terrible. At least in GT5.
 
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Derrict
People that complain about the Enzo don't have the suspension tuned properly or probably don't use their brakes early enough. Stiffen your rear shocks, rear sway bar, and/or have the rear ride height lower than the front... that'll remove the understeer.
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Having the rear ride height lower than the front doesn't remove understeer.
 
Toronado
The ACR should be able to outhandle race cars. It pretty clearly does not, because of how bad of a job PD did recreating it.

Despite it's looks, the ACR is a street car with no downforce compared to a racecar. It shouldn't be able to outhandle any racecar. You don't know what you're talking about.
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Double post ^. Naughty Naughty!
 
devildog666
Having the rear ride height lower than the front doesn't remove understeer.
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Plenty of threads on the subject. Try reading them before you say things that aren't true.

devildog666
Despite it's looks, the ACR is a street car with no downforce compared to a racecar. It shouldn't be able to outhandle any racecar. You don't know what you're talking about.
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At 150 mph, the regular Viper coupe generates 100 pounds of downforce; at the same speed, the Viper ACR generates 1000 pounds of downforce.
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Linky.

Two posts in a row where you did that? Then you tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about? Irony is a bitch, isn't it?



And by the way, don't double post.
 
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SEMA Mustang or whatever it is.
Not because of how it drives, but because it sounds so horrible that I can't stand hearing that sound! It literally sounds like you're listening to a vacuum cleaner through a thirty foot long hose!
I drove it once and that's all I could take.
 
The Schwimmwagen (Where is the machinegun?) and the Evo X (because of AYC bug)
 
Toronado
The ACR should be able to outhandle race cars. It pretty clearly does not, because of how bad of a job PD did recreating it.
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I think PD forgot to program the ACR's downforce since the ACR in GT5 can hit 200 mph+ completely stock; the ACR in real life tops out at about 180 mph-ish due to the immense downforce. This explains why it understeers so much in GT5 in its stock form, but this can be solved by giving it sports medium/sports softs (a better analogue to the ACR's michelin pilot sport cups, imo) and with some suspension tuning.

I have a tune for the ACR (with sports exhaust & S3 tires). I'll post it if I get around to it.
 
devildog666
Having the rear ride height lower than the front doesn't remove understeer.
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Try it and tell me and everyone else on gtplanet that we're wrong. If you lower the rear ride height, you'll reduce your understeer when you're not on the throttle.
 
devildog666
Despite it's looks, the ACR is a street car with no downforce compared to a racecar. It shouldn't be able to outhandle any racecar. You don't know what you're talking about.
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No offense, but you need to brush up on your research. Here's my two cents and you can take it for what it's worth.

I'm a freelance photographer and have worked with the Viper Club of America for the last several years on various events. Do you know who Ralph Gilles is? Father of the Viper, current President & CEO of Dodge. Here's his comparison between the Viper Competition Coupe, which is a race car, versus the ACR.


"For starters there is a reason the CompCoupe exists and that is to be the ultimate track Viper if not the ultimate turn key racer! That said the lap times between the two Vipers based on different runs through out the day was roughly 2 seconds. On a 2.5 mile course of this type that is to be expected. In most of our testing the ACR is very close to the Comp Coupe (non world Challenge) but it very much depends on the track. The ACR with the giant rear wing has more aero drag than the comp coupe which benefits from being a few inches shorter and has a more aero "friendly" body, not to mention light weight composite panels, no windows, no AC etc. Bob's car having the older smaller rear wing actually has the high speed straightline advantage. The banked corners at POCONO raceway mask the down force disadvantage. Even though my car had more power it was negated by all the air I am pushing around. On tighter tracks biased towards cornering the ACR has been able to get very close to the Comp coupe. "

^ read the bolded letters from the guy who led the design team on the original Viper. The ACR has a larger rear wing and more aerodynamic drag than the Viper Competition Coupe.

Here's the photo of the red Viper Competition Coupe (referenced as Bob in the text) along with Ralph's black Voodoo ACR and Steve Katz' white ACR (Steve is a former Skip Barber series champion)

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The Viper owners always wanted a good comparison between the VCC and the ACR, so when Ralph drove out from Michigan to Pocono Raceway (Pennsylvania), they took the opportunity to stage this.

Here's a photo of the ACR rear wing, which is much wider than the VCC's rear wing
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Ferrari Enzo-Doesn't handle as well as anticipated, bad brakes


Ferrari SP1-Top speed is under 190, for a car priced at 1 million cr!!


Audi R8 V8-Doesn't handle as well as anticipated


Audi RS6-Understeer, understeer, and more understeer... traction control off you have no grip.


Bugatti Veyron-Speed, very fast. Handling, very understeery. (good thing I got it from a prize!)
 
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