PD, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE REMOVE FORCED SRF from Holiday seasonal.

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Do you want PD to make SRF an option on the Holiday seasonal?

  • Yes, please make SRF optional on the Holiday seasonal.

    Votes: 115 89.8%

  • No, leave SRF a requirement for the Holiday seasonal.

    Votes: 13 10.2%
  • Total voters
    128
  • Poll closed .
Please don't tell other people how to enjoy the game.
 
MuoNiuLa
Please don't tell other people how to enjoy the game.
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And what makes You pissed off??? It`s a good idea to give other people good ideas....roflcoptors idea is great....Go some where else wiyh Your bad mood...:bowdown:
 
Buddy, no one's pissed. I even said "please". :lol:

If that's how you want to view it and you want to share it, fine. More power to you. Just don't expect other people to accept it as easily as you. As I said earlier, I am a wheel user. And when I am playing a game that claims to be a sim like GT5, I want the most realistic experience it has to offer. Not be forced to race with fictional driving aids.
 
Agree with OP.👍
Maybe PD had to put it on because it was too borderline in difficulty - I know I would have struggled a bit as a noob 2 years ago without SRF and all. Just a thought.
Would also have liked performance difference bonus too.
 
MuoNiuLa
Buddy, no one's pissed. I even said "please". :lol:

If that's how you want to view it and you want to share it, fine. More power to you. Just don't expect other people to accept it as easily as you. As I said earlier, I am a wheel user. And when I am playing a game that claims to be a sim like GT5, I want the most realistic experience it has to offer. Not be forced to race with fictional driving aids.
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OK good to be in good mood..:sly: I`m using a normal sixaxis controller stick, and I allways turn SRF off. Or mostly, not in the Lamborghini Exclusive I admit, as I couldn`t win without it...

But I was allways soooo annoyed (pissed really) with the "chase the rabbit with obstacles underway" that I simply HAIL to roflcoptors idea...
Anyway You SHOULD try to enjoy this New Year Seosonal thing...eeeh not?? OK don`t:lol:
 
ncrthree
What's so odd about the forced SRF is adding track penalties. Why add a difficulty then add a forced aid to make it easier. Doesn't make sense.
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It does make sense.

It's the holiday period and believe it or not, some people will probably ask Santa for GT5. When these people play GT5 they're going to do these seasonal races. Their skill level is obviously going to be really low so SRF is turned on to give them a little boost in grip. Penalties are turned on so these new players learn good habits, instead of bad ones like driving across the grass at Suzuka. That's my theory anyway.

I still don't agree with forced SRF though. It made the seasonals far too easy.
 
roflcoptor
Penalties for shortcuts is unrealistic? Do you watch any motorsport?

I always view these "catch rabbit" seasonals not as "full races", more like "the final laps of a much longer race"... you are in last place and the pressure is to fight back and win.

With that perspective, they are rather enjoyable. Rise to the challenge! 👍
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OT but... Because the "Kill the wabbit" form of challenge is not a full race we never get to experience the start or middle of a race. Also, we NEVER get to "RACE" an AI unless we want to dumb down our cars and play with the last place AI. By the very nature of the challenge we have to be a lot faster than all of the AI's. I would love it if they put in some "full race" seasonals.

Back on topic... This thread was just to see if people wanted CHOICE, not an "I have fun THIS way so what's wrong with you?" thread.
 
roflcoptor
Penalties for shortcuts is unrealistic? Do you watch any motorsport?

I always view these "catch rabbit" seasonals not as "full races", more like "the final laps of a much longer race"... you are in last place and the pressure is to fight back and win.

With that perspective, they are rather enjoyable. Rise to the challenge! 👍
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They're still not races at all, not again the cars anyway, it's against the clock. You have to drive so much faster than the person in the lead, 5+ seconds a lap on a normal sized track that there is no racing going on, there is no challenge to actually overtake any of the cars (Especially the ones you're going 10+ seconds a lap faster than), it's just a time trial with moving obstacles really.
 
Guys, let's not argue about the definition of the word "race"...! :scared:

There are many definitions, including: "any contest or competition, especially to achieve superiority" and "try to beat in a contest of speed"

These "chase rabbits" are still races, the challenge is still to finish 1st place, and to achieve this goal you need to "race".

I understand some do not agree. I'm cool with that too. 👍
 
roflcoptor
Guys, let's not argue about the definition of the word "race"...! :scared:
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These "chase rabbits" are still races, the challenge is still to finish 1st place, and to achieve this goal you need to "race".

I understand some do not agree. I'm cool with that too. 👍
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I agree that you have to race but these seasonal challenges are not the full racing experience that they can be. If you have a car and enough skill to beat the challenge, no AI can be close to you in competitive ability. That is not a form of racing that I am familiar with and I don't feel compelled to do this form of challenge anymore.

New Poll: Mass starts anyone?
 
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roflcoptor
Guys, let's not argue about the definition of the word "race"...! :scared:

There are many definitions, including: "any contest or competition, especially to achieve superiority" and "try to beat in a contest of speed"

These "chase rabbits" are still races, the challenge is still to finish 1st place, and to achieve this goal you need to "race".

I understand some do not agree. I'm cool with that too. 👍
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Yes I know pretty much anything can be considered racing in the basic form of the word but you know what I mean, if you watch any form of circuit based motorsport on TV, F1, DTM, NASCAR, Le Mans, GT3, anything at all like that, GT5 seasonals are not that kind of racing. There is no racing series around the world that is anything like seasonals as far as I know. The closest resemblence is time attack and rallying because like I said, it's against the clock. There is no challenge actually overtaking any of the cars because they're at least 5+ seconds a lap slower than you to be able to win.
 
SimonK
Yes I know pretty much anything can be considered racing in the basic form of the word but you know what I mean, if you watch any form of circuit based motorsport on TV, F1, DTM, NASCAR, Le Mans, GT3, anything at all like that, GT5 seasonals are not that kind of racing. There is no racing series around the world that is anything like seasonals as far as I know. The closest resemblence is time attack and rallying because like I said, it's against the clock. There is no challenge actually overtaking any of the cars because they're at least 5+ seconds a lap slower than you to be able to win.
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I finally understand what you mean. When racing in real life, you don't start 20 seconds behind the leader (generally/as far as I know) and you don't only have ten short laps to make up that time (again, as far as I know). So, in that sense, yes, seasonals are techically races, but not as much practically.
 
JJSCHMITTY2000
I finally understand what you mean. When racing in real life, you don't start 20 seconds behind the leader (generally/as far as I know) and you don't only have ten short laps to make up that time (again, as far as I know). So, in that sense, yes, seasonals are techically races, but not as much practically.
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Which is why I offered this viewpoint (on page 2) as a way of interpreting the seasonals... if you put them in this context, they maybe make a little more sense than just taking them on face value. Just throwing an idea out there for consideration.

roflcoptor
I always view these "catch rabbit" seasonals not as "full races", more like "the final laps of a much longer race"... you are in last place and the pressure is to fight back and win.
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roflcoptor
Which is why I offered this viewpoint (on page 2) as a way of interpreting the seasonals... if you put them in this context, they maybe make a little more sense than just taking them on face value. Just throwing an idea out there for consideration.
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Yes your idea could make sense and I used to try and think of them like that when they first started them but the illusion of that scenario is killed by the fact you have to go from last to first in five laps, which just isn't going to happen in any real world scenario unless the other cars are on the wrong tyres or worn tyres with no way to pit or something.
 
roflcoptor
Which is why I offered this viewpoint (on page 2) as a way of interpreting the seasonals... if you put them in this context, they maybe make a little more sense than just taking them on face value. Just throwing an idea out there for consideration.
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How about this : The simplest form of racing, race against the time/clock ? Where the goal is to finish 1st before the leading AI do.
 
Ridox2JZGTE
How about this : The simplest form of racing, race against the time/clock ? Where the goal is to finish 1st before the leading AI do.
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Where does that happen in real life? Against the clock racing on your own yes, but what format/series is like the seasonals?
 
goofycool
Longer races with weather changes? COOL! A GT500 RACE? Really COOL! SRF FORCED ON??! No, no, no, no....just no. I'm going out.

PD, you gave us 2.09 which most people think is very, very nice. However, you're killing this improvement in this seasonal with SRF.

Please make SRF an option for this very nice looking seasonal.
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What is SRF?
 
SimonK
Where does that happen in real life? Against the clock racing on your own yes, but what format/series is like the seasonals?
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I am not comparing to real life at all, I am just saying how I interpret what racing is in the seasonals. Why does everything have to be valid in comparison to real life, it's a game, even if it's a pure simulation, it's still would stand on it's own in it's unique way of racing, albeit not one that commonly accepted.

To answer your 1st question though, I would say it happens to me once, when I wanted to be somewhere else before someone else does, and that someone got a head start ( probably in minutes and the obstacle was a lot of traffic ), I had to drive faster and harder to get there in time, in a kind of emergency/racing pace driving :lol: It was a race against time, where the goal was to beat him/her getting to a certain place. I won't get into details ( my past's secret:sly:), but it did happen, not an official race as motorsports, but you get the idea, it involves some aggressive emergency to the limit driving late at night that might break the AUP if I write in details.
 
Well yes I see your point, to me though it's still going to be a very strange way of racing whether I compare it to reality or not. That's why I stopped doing them regularly a long time ago, I just put GT5 in again last week for the first time so I had a go at these again. I won't be doing so in future.
 
Without a HUGE AI overhaul I don't see how you could get any serious door to door race action in GT5. I'd love it if we could have a 5 lap race from a standing start with several AI that matched our moves and we all kept a similar pace. Clean passing, respecting each others lines then having a no holds bared dash to the finish line. Does that level of AI technology even exist today?

I don't like the GT race mode either but it's all that there is now. Started thinking along the same lines yesterday and just got bummed out on how it's basically GT5-The Real Passing Simulator. Nerf your tires, downgrade your car and come in 6th instead of 1st-yipee!

Whatever, I'm glad people are having fun with these events. Don't think there's ever been this much interest in seasonals before. Lots of loading up on easy credits for high dollar car shopping.

I guess the PD thinking was since this was the first seasonal weather races that it would be tricky to stay on track so they forced the SRF to make it easier to finish the longer races. Lots of inexperienced drivers might not know to use SRF and get frustrated, I don't know...best not to worry about it.
 
I would get slightly more enjoyment from starting on the grid with an underpowered/nerfed car and battling with the better AI cars rather than having to basically guess what PP car you can use and still catch the AI in time in the current mode. Neither are particularly good though.
 
ncrthree
Without a HUGE AI overhaul I don't see how you could get any serious door to door race action in GT5. I'd love it if we could have a 5 lap race from a standing start with several AI that matched our moves and we all kept a similar pace. Clean passing, respecting each others lines then having a no holds bared dash to the finish line. Does that level of AI technology even exist today?

I don't like the GT race mode either but it's all that there is now. Started thinking along the same lines yesterday and just got bummed out on how it's basically GT5-The Real Passing Simulator. Nerf your tires, downgrade your car and come in 6th instead of 1st-yipee!

Whatever, I'm glad people are having fun with these events. Don't think there's ever been this much interest in seasonals before. Lots of loading up on easy credits for high dollar car shopping.

I guess the PD thinking was since this was the first seasonal weather races that it would be tricky to stay on track so they forced the SRF to make it easier to finish the longer races. Lots of inexperienced drivers might not know to use SRF and get frustrated, I don't know...best not to worry about it.
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If you haven't tried arcade mode, check out the thread called "arcade love". Arcade mode is the best offline solution.

On topic: I'm curious about the reasoning behind the "NO" votes in this poll. Any "NO" voters care to elaborate?
 
goofycool
If you haven't tried arcade mode, check out the thread called "arcade love". Arcade mode is the best offline solution.

On topic: I'm curious about the reasoning behind the "NO" votes in this poll. Any "NO" voters care to elaborate?
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I would, but then this thread would just end up in everyone insulting me and practically telling me to go kill myself.
 
goofycool
If you haven't tried arcade mode, check out the thread called "arcade love". Arcade mode is the best offline solution.

On topic: I'm curious about the reasoning behind the "NO" votes in this poll. Any "NO" voters care to elaborate?
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Yeah, I'm well aware of that thread and run Arcade races more than anything offline. A properly set up Arcade is miles beyond any seasonal, heck I just ran a 1 hr GT500 race with weather at Suzuka after doing the seasonal last night. Much better in a bone stock car, SS tires, full damage, ballast, cockpit view and no aids including abs. Just don't pass anyone on lap 1, drive clean and avoid the sand. Search "arcade love" to learn more.
Here:https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=251378&highlight=arcade+love
 
ncrthree
Yeah, I'm well aware of that thread and run Arcade races more than anything offline. A properly set up Arcade is miles beyond any seasonal, heck I just ran a 1 hr GT500 race with weather at Suzuka after doing the seasonal last night. Much better in a bone stock car, SS tires, full damage, ballast, cockpit view and no aids including abs. Just don't pass anyone on lap 1, drive clean and avoid the sand. Search "arcade love" to learn more.
Here:https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=251378&highlight=arcade+love
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+100 👍

If arcade mode can do it, I would imagine it can be done for a seasonal. I'd do a seasonal if they created one like that.
 
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