PD, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE REMOVE FORCED SRF from Holiday seasonal.

[RodrigoDLL]

+1 plz no forced SRF on!

 

[Samus]

I would, but then this thread would just end up in everyone insulting me and practically telling me to go kill myself.

Not if you could come up with a reasonable, thought out reason for it. But I suspect you can't seems your previous posts have been about payback and revenge because of what people do online. Although nobody has personally insulted you, just your opinions. There is a difference.

 

[Ills1999]

So, doesn't SRF give those without wheels a chance to compete against those with wheels?

If you're fast, you're fast.

Is the problem that some people may be able to compete with you and you don't think should?

 

[C_Raccoon23]

So, doesn't SRF give those without wheels a chance to compete against those with wheels?

If you're fast, you're fast.

Is the problem that some people may be able to compete with you and you don't think should?

No, the problem is that SRF ruins the realistic driving experience.

 

[Samus]

So, doesn't SRF give those without wheels a chance to compete against those with wheels?

If you're fast, you're fast.

Is the problem that some people may be able to compete with you and you don't think should?

The seasonals in question are basically single player, there is no competition against other players. The time trial event that is ranked with a leaderboard has SRF forced OFF.

 

[Ills1999]

The seasonals in question are basically single player, there is no competition against other players. The time trial event that is ranked with a leaderboard has SRF forced OFF.

Okay, I didn't catch that.

 

[SunsetSailor]

So, doesn't SRF give those without wheels a chance to compete against those with wheels?

If you're fast, you're fast.

Is the problem that some people may be able to compete with you and you don't think should?

The issue has nothing to do with whether more people use a wheel or controller!

The problem i have with SRF is that it corrects the car when you slide, whether it be an intentional slide, or an unintentional minor slip. It may correct it too early before you've got around the apex. But even if it does correct it at the right time, if drivers like myself instinctively use their skill to correct it, the car gets corrected twice at the same time: Once by SRF and once by the driver. This causes the driver's correction to become unnecessary, making it an over-correction. What this means for drivers who correct minor slips subconsciously is that they have to drive slower to eliminate sliding entirely. Otherwise, we just keep fish-tailing and crashing!

As someone who slides into corners under late braking all the time with no aids except ABS on 1 (i can even do this with the Ferrari F2007), i find SRF to be a logistical nightmare!

 

[SunsetSailor]

the time trial event that is ranked with a leaderboard has srf forced off.

hallelujah!! :d

 

[NCRthree]

Weird, I've never thought of SRF as slowing a driver down. I can push harder and faster with it on like the car is on rails, combine that with the ridiculous amount of grip the Race Softs have and you've got yourself Super Mario driving power. That's why I've avoided these events, it does nothing to make me a better driver.

I don't make a habit of trying to late brake and slide-that sounds like drifting. Fastest way through a turn is generally an early brake and throttle out of apex as soon as possible.

 

[Giulietta73]

Weird, I've never thought of SRF as slowing a driver down. I can push harder and faster with it on like the car is on rails, combine that with the ridiculous amount of grip the Race Softs have and you've got yourself Super Mario driving power. That's why I've avoided these events, it does nothing to make me a better driver.

I don't make a habit of trying to late brake and slide-that sounds like drifting. Fastest way through a turn is generally an early brake and throttle out of apex as soon as possible.

This:tup:
Totally agree.

 

[SunsetSailor]

Weird, I've never thought of SRF as slowing a driver down. I can push harder and faster with it on like the car is on rails, combine that with the ridiculous amount of grip the Race Softs have and you've got yourself Super Mario driving power. That's why I've avoided these events, it does nothing to make me a better driver.

I don't make a habit of trying to late brake and slide-that sounds like drifting. Fastest way through a turn is generally an early brake and throttle out of apex as soon as possible.

I only slide into them. As soon as i've slowed down enough to clip the apex, i find traction. I would also dispute the notion that this is not the fastest way through a corner.

When i drive normally, i may be able to just keep up with another driver in a 5 lap race, for example. But in the last 1 or 2 laps, i can pull this out from my sleeve and catch him! After having made a mistake on the 4th lap, costing me 5 seconds, i was able to catch up very quickly by using this tactic.

My final lap was 4 seconds faster and i passed him with 2 corners to go. I have the replay to prove it.

...And with SRF, this would not have been possible.

 

[Ills1999]

The issue has nothing to do with whether more people use a wheel or controller!

The problem i have with SRF is that it corrects the car when you slide, whether it be an intentional slide, or an unintentional minor slip. It may correct it too early before you've got around the apex. But even if it does correct it at the right time, if drivers like myself instinctively use their skill to correct it, the car gets corrected twice at the same time: Once by SRF and once by the driver. This causes the driver's correction to become unnecessary, making it an over-correction. What this means for drivers who correct minor slips subconsciously is that they have to drive slower to eliminate sliding entirely. Otherwise, we just keep fish-tailing and crashing!

As someone who slides into corners under late braking all the time with no aids except ABS on 1 (i can even do this with the Ferrari F2007), i find SRF to be a logistical nightmare!

I think the game is only realistic to a point. I can slide a car around in the real world much easier than in a video game because the stimulus I'm receiving and processing is more than just visual and aural.

So the game is limited... you adapt to the given limitations.

Weird, I've never thought of SRF as slowing a driver down. I can push harder and faster with it on like the car is on rails, combine that with the ridiculous amount of grip the Race Softs have and you've got yourself Super Mario driving power. That's why I've avoided these events, it does nothing to make me a better driver.

I don't make a habit of trying to late brake and slide-that sounds like drifting. Fastest way through a turn is generally an early brake and throttle out of apex as soon as possible.

I agree to a point, sometimes it is a benefit to keep the engine spooled up, depends on the car IMO.

 

[dylansan]

When i drive normally, i may be able to just keep up with another driver in a 5 lap race, for example. But in the last 1 or 2 laps, i can pull this out from my sleeve and catch him! After having made a mistake on the 4th lap, costing me 5 seconds, i was able to catch up very quickly by using this tactic.

My final lap was 4 seconds faster and i passed him with 2 corners to go. I have the replay to prove it.

This doesn't necessarily prove that sliding into corners is faster than not sliding. It could just mean that your technique while not sliding isn't as good as it could be.

I have a feeling this has to do with where you're hitting the apex. If you're braking late in every corner and sliding, I have a feeling you're hitting the apex much later than you would normally. A late apex often gives you much more speed on the straight if you do it right. I bet your "normal" driving technique involves you hitting the apex much earlier, meaning you either have to slow down much more beforehand, or slow down at the exit, both of which will really kill your times.

I suggest you try driving without sliding, but following the same line you do while sliding. You may find that it's faster. The consensus among most real-life racers is that grip is usually faster than sliding (though there are sometimes exceptions, like tight hairpins for example).

 

[SunsetSailor]

This doesn't necessarily prove that sliding into corners is faster than not sliding. It could just mean that your technique while not sliding isn't as good as it could be.

I have a feeling this has to do with where you're hitting the apex. If you're braking late in every corner and sliding, I have a feeling you're hitting the apex much later than you would normally. A late apex often gives you much more speed on the straight if you do it right. I bet your "normal" driving technique involves you hitting the apex much earlier, meaning you either have to slow down much more beforehand, or slow down at the exit, both of which will really kill your times.

I suggest you try driving without sliding, but following the same line you do while sliding. You may find that it's faster. The consensus among most real-life racers is that grip is usually faster than sliding (though there are sometimes exceptions, like tight hairpins for example).

You're right, i do clip the apex earlier when i'm not using the sliding-in technique. You clearly know what you're talking about, ...So i will try what you've suggested, despite the fact that it usually means i have to slow down more before the corner. I definitely try to take the slow in-fast out approach, but i never thought of that. Thank you! 👍

 

[NCRthree]

It does make sense.

It's the holiday period and believe it or not, some people will probably ask Santa for GT5. When these people play GT5 they're going to do these seasonal races. Their skill level is obviously going to be really low so SRF is turned on to give them a little boost in grip. Penalties are turned on so these new players learn good habits, instead of bad ones like driving across the grass at Suzuka. That's my theory anyway.

I still don't agree with forced SRF though. It made the seasonals far too easy.

After running all 3 events today I agree with what you said. The wet track even with SRF on makes for some sliding around. I ran without abs or any other aids so it took definitely took some attention to adjust to a soaked track. PD must have taken that into account to force SRF just to make it more manageable for the less experienced driver. I didn't run RS tires, RH's on the Nord and RM's on Suzuka- that would seem to make it too easy to fly through the field. Cockpit view in the rain is pretty tricky though.

So I came down from my high horse and just enjoyed three of my favorite tracks with the wipers on high. Eh, sometimes you gotta lighten up and go with the flow. It doesn't make that much difference when you can set up a wet track Arcade race with similar fields and run with or without whatever aids you want.

 

[Ills1999]

I think it's the opposite, everyone is getting a big payout to help round out the stable before the release of GT6.

 

[StirlingMoose]

Voted yes. I have no problem with people using SRF if it helps but for me it rewards sloppy driving and I have enough bad habits as it is. I find myself pushing harder and harder into the corners, knowing that if I make a blunder SRF will sort it out. If SRF was optional I would have had a lot of fun with these races, trying out different cars and strategies but as it is I've done them and won't be going back. I can't understand PD's thinking on this.

 

[alf158]

It's ok voicing an opinion but who (at SCEE) or anywhere Sony who will have an influence reads the posts on here? It's ok having a poll, but it serves little purpose after the event has been finalised. I still voted though!
uts on double skinned tin hat and flame retardent clothing:
To be honest i don't think the game is realistic anyway, but it's the only one i keep coming back to. The others all seem to have massive flaws.

 

[roflcoptor]

It's ok voicing an opinion but who reads the posts on here? It's ok having a poll, but it serves little purpose after the event has been finalised. I still voted though!

I am one of the minority who is curious as to why people voted the way the did.

Edit: Hmmm... seems you edited your post as I replied to it.

 

[alf158]

I am one of the minority who is curious as to why people voted the way the did.
Edit: Hmmm... seems you edited your post as I replied to it.

I don't really like the driving aids but they can make a positive difference to my times because i'm not good enough, in fact i am not a "good" driver by any means. For instance i used T/C on 1 with the Diablo at Suzuka in this seasonal, i love driving the seasonal events and in particular the time trials but less so when they are on comfort soft tyres, it's too unrealistic. I wouldn't put comfort tyres on a 300 bhp Mazda RX7 and take it on the road at all!!! never mind on a track like the mountain.....
I have on occasion stayed up till 04:00 to play a new one and got in at 8th on the leader board, for about 10 minutes then by around 09:00 i was off the leader boards.
The key word for me is choice!

 

[Madma92]

I also want a more realistic experience as possible. I found the first 3 events easy even using a DS3. I then attempted the C7 event and complete my first lap in 8:09.xxx. I then set up my g27 wheel and attempted the event again to try and get a faster time. It took me 20 tries to set a time of 8:08.xxx. I changed the TC down to 3 just to get a better handle of the car and after several failed attempts of crashing at the last corner i crossed the line at 7:48.xxx. It takes time and dedication to complete this event, so if some of you try to do that you may succeed.
Also "These are special EXPERT level events." Do you not get the hint. These seasonal events are not designed for everyone to complete the events all gold with ease. Just my opinion.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I also want a more realistic experience as possible. I found the first 3 events easy even using a DS3. I then attempted the C7 event and complete my first lap in 8:09.xxx. I then set up my g27 wheel and attempted the event again to try and get a faster time. It took me 20 tries to set a time of 8:08.xxx. I changed the TC down to 3 just to get a better handle of the car and after several failed attempts of crashing at the last corner i crossed the line at 7:48.xxx. It takes time and dedication to complete this event, so if some of you try to do that you may succeed.
Also "These are special EXPERT level events." Do you not get the hint. These seasonal events are not designed for everyone to complete the events all gold with ease. Just my opinion.

I have to disagree with you here. Even tho they say that they are expert level events, that is far from the truth. I, as many others have, found these events to be far too easy, and I'm far from an expert. I was able to complete these the first time out. Does that make me an expert....I hardly think so.

 

[Madma92]

Im no expert but i managed to do it and im not even a good driver. If they were easy everyone would get bord and not play it. I love a good race down to the last corner

 

[NCRthree]

Once Spa is good and soaked, you can't tell whether SRF is on or off to me. I was running w/o abs or any other aids and with 97% wet track it's very easy to take yourself out with locked tires in limited visibility. Ran the 908 and 787 cockpit view. No problem beating the AI, they're ridiculously slow in the rain so a win wasn't an issue. After doing that, I could see why PD probably decided to force SRF. Running an AWD in bumper view with aids would be a different story no doubt.

I might try an Arcade with similar conditions w/o SRF to compare.

 

[alf158]

The thing is (i guess) some of you people on here are *really good* but you don't seem to think you are. Some of you will just get a car from your garage, enter a seasonal and Gold it straight away. I simply can't do that. It maybe partly because i'm not playing every day but also i'm not patient enough, i don't understand the physics either i guess. I'm just not good enough.....I will keep trying but i don't improve after a while. On a TT if i get to within 4 seconds of the lead time i'm doing pretty well!
peace everyone! Happy Christmas.....

 

[StirlingMoose]

The thing is (i guess) some of you people on here are *really good* but you don't seem to think you are. Some of you will just get a car from your garage, enter a seasonal and Gold it straight away. I simply can't do that. It maybe partly because i'm not playing every day but also i'm not patient enough, i don't understand the physics either i guess. I'm just not good enough.....I will keep trying but i don't improve after a while. On a TT if i get to within 4 seconds of the lead time i'm doing pretty well!
peace everyone! Happy Christmas.....

If I get to within 4s of the lead in a TT I am doing very well and I golded these races very easily. Maybe I was just lucky with my car choice and race conditions. I suspect you are better than you think too.

 

[VBR]

This what I've come to call; PD-Sense.


They make a game called "The Real Driving Simulator", they try & make the physics realistic, then they make a driving aid that makes them less realistic, then they force you to use it. Like I said, PD-Sense (aka nonsense)!