Alright, I have watched the clip you posted along with your comments. I am not going to discuss or debate you on Trump or Trump's presidency. I know that you are firmly in one camp and I am in another when it comes to that issue. I respect that, but don't see any ground where we can have a discussion on it. However, I think the more interesting and important issue to discuss is how the main stream media, in general, handled the Russia Collusion / Mueller Investigation over the last 675 days. The reason I think this is a more important issue, is because, regardless of your feelings about Trump, after he is gone they will remain. I dare say they have far more power, in terms of influence, than any sitting president could dream to have over the American people.
Over the last 675 days the media have pushed this investigation down the throats of the American people to de-legitimize the 2016 election results. This summary being released, and hopefully the full report soon, puts to rest that the Russians were interfering in the Trump campaign. This means something far worse for the left wing media, it means that Trump was elected legitimately by the American people. All the guests they had on their shows, how much air time they dedicated to this, and how certain they were that "any day now", changes the optics from a legitimate investigation to a witch hunt pushed by the Democrats, propagandized by the media, and paid for by the American tax payer, into nothing more than a conspiracy theory. Van Jones (CNN pundit), famous for saying that Trump's election was a "white lash", is on record as stating the Russian collusion investigation is a giant "nothing burger". He stated this over a year ago. Yet, CNN and others, continued to push this as the nail in the coffin of Trump's presidency that would lead to impeachment.
Van Jones, who I am no fan of, had some interesting comments in a piece with Don Lemon, again not a fan of, on CNN over the weekend after the release of Mueller's summary. I am going to quote him directly here:
"I’ve been trying to tell folks for a long time: there’s no Santa Claus, there’s no Harry Potter with a magic wand. And I can’t tell you how many people over the years have come up to me — serious people, with their hearts broken — saying, “But when Bob Mueller comes, man, he’s gonna get Trump, and Trump’s gonna be out of there — Van, how many more days do you think Trump has left? And I said, “Maybe eight years, if we don’t start working on real issues and not just talking about Robert Mueller all the time.”"
"The “Russia collusion” hoax has undermined the new administration and divided the country. But perhaps its worst damage has been to the Democratic Party itself.
The party establishment became so obsessed with Trump, Russia, and impeachment that it failed to develop an alternative vision, a set of policies that could compete to provide a better life for ordinary Americans (who are, it turns out, doing better than ever under Trump)."
He hits the nail on the head, and I think it is telling when it is coming from someone who is a staunch left-leaning liberal and no-fan of Trump. The Democrats and main stream media should have focused on attacking Trump's policies and developing competing policies, but they didn't. Instead they focused on his character, identity politics, Russia, and porn stars. I truly think that if, whatever classical liberal democrats remain, were to put forward competent policies and a strong candidate, who doesn't resort to identity politics, they would have a good chance of beating Trump. However, it is probably to late for 2020. This summary is a victory for him and his campaign, no denying it, no matter how much you don't like him.
Trump is not the problem, he is s symptom of the problem. We as a country have become so divided, and even worse since 2016, mainly due to the non-stop media slander of Trump and people who voted for him. Trump is a backlash against Identity Politics, Elitism, and Political Correctness. Yes, I know you are going to say that it doesn't make sense to elect and Elite like Trump when you are tired of Elites, but that is one of the reasons none the less. Mainly cause people believe right or wrong that he can't / couldn't be bought off. If these issues persist, even after Trump is gone, another one like him may take his place, again I believe he is a symptom of a deeper divide in the country.
And as we wait for the full report to be released you can already see that the media and their pundits are beginning to move the goals posts. They have doubled, dare I say, tripled down, and are going to die on this hill.
Here are some interesting takes as well. I am sure I missed some items to discuss, but this is all I could formulate at work off the top of my head at the moment.
Sargon of Akkad - Libertarian
Black Pigeon Speaks - Unknown
Jimmy Dore - Liberal / Socialist
Tim Pool - Liberal
I enjoy these kinds of discussions immensely, but please anyone who wishes to join in, keep it emotionless and civil. Thank You.
