Playseat Motion system and Extreme Elite Top Gear Chassis

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Guys check this out, this looks very good



If you look closely at the motion system, you can see they are using an 80/20 base frame, which is great for all DIY guys.

The motion system should also be available seperately AND they are working on console compatibility by using the force feedback data of the steering wheels.

The price is where it gets interesting: The motion system will be available below 2000 dollars
 
is that a microphone or a tazer? Run Tako!

Just kidding. Thanks for the video. Tako is clearly the guy to talk to, he knows everything.

I actually came here do some research to see if anyone has had any successfully incorporated a motion system into their setup, or if there are ones sold retail. For people to do it as a DIY they would have to be extremely technical. I've seen some motion systems in the past, one made by Redbull and the other by MIT students or something, but this is probably the first (somewhat) affordable retail motion simulator. I would definitely have to try it out before buying it, and see how good the motion sim is and if it really helps add to the immersion. The seat doesn't look too comfortable, but I guess that's not a final version.

Can anyone else link to other driving motion simulators they have seen?
 
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ropeadope
is that a microphone or a tazer? Run Tako!

Just kidding. Thanks for the video. Tako is clearly the guy to talk to, he knows everything.

I actually came here do some research to see if anyone has had any successfully incorporated a motion system into their setup, or if there are ones sold retail. For people to do it as a DIY they would have to be extremely technical. I've seen some motion systems in the past, one made by Redbull and the other by MIT students or something, but this is probably the first (somewhat) affordable retail motion simulator. I would definitely have to try it out before buying it, and see how good the motion sim is and if it really helps add to the immersion. The seat doesn't look too comfortable, but I guess that's not a final version.

Can anyone else link to other driving motion simulators they have seen?
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I Incorporated Motion into a 100$ Deathmobile for under 850$ Granted its not a Full Frame mover, Rather a seat mover, but DIY'ing your own Motion is FAR from "extremely technical"

Build thread With all the noobie question's answered.

http://www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/2dof-diy-seat-mover.5271/
 
Nick Moxley
I Incorporated Motion into a 100$ Deathmobile for under 850$ Granted its not a Full Frame mover, Rather a seat mover, but DIY'ing your own Motion is FAR from "extremely technical"
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If the aim is simulating effects on the body, doesn't it make more sense to do seat only anyway? The pedals don't move with the (person's) body in a real car, nor does the view through the windscreen.
 
LeMansAid
If the aim is simulating effects on the body, doesn't it make more sense to do seat only anyway? The pedals don't move with the (person's) body in a real car, nor does the view through the windscreen.
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But how much do you actually move in a car. Of course movements are greater in regular car, but in racing cars, you are tightly packed into your seat.
If you move the whole rig, but don't use harnesses, you move differently anyway compared to your rig, but it is only my guess, haven't been to any motion rig itself.
 
In my humble opnion:

The only real simulation of effects is when screen / steering wheel and screen move as one.
In real life you the seat doesn't move while the wheel / windscreen stay still

That's why the ultimate simulator looks like this, but with triple screens or even better a dome.



This way you do not see the plaform move because the screens move with it.

But this is way out of almost everyone's budget. :D

On topic

The reason why i think that the playseat system will be interesting is because a major player in the market will be supporting it, at a reasonable price.

Projects like X-sim are also very interesting, but are more for the "proffesional" DIY guys who enjoy working on their rig as much as or even more than actually using it. :)

The problem could be that simvibe has a different output setting that for example d-box or x-sim, but both use the same file like "hardware_settings_config.xml" in the codemasters games.

This would mean that motion can not be used in combination with simvibe :confused:

That would be a dealbreaker for me
 
LeMansAid
If the aim is simulating effects on the body, doesn't it make more sense to do seat only anyway? The pedals don't move with the (person's) body in a real car, nor does the view through the windscreen.
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This is exactly How I feel, After speaking with BSFT aka Motion dave and Earobbie who have both in conjuntion built 20+ Rigs, Their Opinions Mattered BIG time for me and I for one now "see the light" as to why both Rob and Dave choose their Seat mover's as their fav's.

From what ive observed in video's only the Uber Expensive D box has the Speed and twitchyness as a seat mover. But obviously that comes with a Cost.
 
fatkrakr
I think 2 grand is only buying the platform, the rig will be extra.
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That's what i understood too. 2 grand for :

-the base frame (looks like a 80/20 frame on which you can mount your (playseat) rig
-special arced pivot
-2 acculators
-control box + software
 
Dhalism
By rig do you mean seat? Because at 4:20ish after they finish discussing if the shifter is included he says 2000 for seat and the platform.
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HoiHman
That's what i understood too. 2 grand for :

-the base frame (looks like a 80/20 frame on which you can mount your (playseat) rig
-special arced pivot
-2 acculators
-control box + software
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There is 2 products being shown. One is the motion platform the other is a new racing rig. The new racing rig will mount to the motion platform, but its a separate purchase. Both are going to be around 2 grand though.
 
Upstarts from Australia have jumped in with an offering on a similar price/performance level - give or take.



The video info states a price of $2995, but they're on ebay right now for AU$2495 (under US$2000) + shipping.
 
That would be a PERFECT addition to my rig. One thing holding be back though...... compatibility :confused:

I'm currently using Simcommander to run all my sims for the GS4, simvibe( and the AF in the future.)

Really no idea if and how this motionsystem is compatible and can be used in combination with SC4
 
We all have different amounts of money, time, energy, and expertise we can put into these things. Moxley Motion shows that DIY is a smart and viable option, but for some, they'll just end up with a half finished project sitting in their garage for years, or an idea sitting trapped inside their cavernous brain forever.
 
Being part of Xsimulator and being linked to many of builds, I can tell you one thing LeMansAid, There are some rather Noobish guy who attempt to build their own DIY rig and surprisingly 98% of them finish, sure might take them a combined couple month's to complete, But again at a RIDICULOUS cost saving's compared to going retail, Not to mention all the Bonuses DIY gear has to offer over retail.
 
Nick Moxley
HoiHman, DIY is the answer. Not that noisy thing. Talk to Avenge76, He just recently finished up his Build.
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I have currently have two main issues that prevent me from building a full motion rig:

A: My rig is not a permanent one
B: I have no room at all behind my seat to install the motion servo's

That's why the motionsystem above could be a solution, but i do not want to have the hassle of having to run a second programm besides simcommander to get motion.

If i do build a motion system it has to be a SimX DIY system so i can combine it with simvibe, GS4 and the AF in ONE programm. Due the space restrictions and the non permanent situation this will be a very difficult challenge.
 
There are builds that can keep the Foot print to Within the space of a Standard Racing seat, All be it Not as efficient as a "Shoulder mount" but hey, it still works, There called a "Desk Racer" as seen here

http://www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/desk-racer-2dof.5326/

or here a little unique variation of a Desk racer with Flying gear as well

http://www.xsimulator.net/community/threads/dx-racer-compact-simulator.5866/

Having to run a 2nd program is part of the deal, Unfortunately if thats a deal breaker for you, You'll be spending 400$ on the Software Alone to run your SimX DiY gear, where as Simtools is Free, Supports more games, is 2X as fast, supports All sorts of hardware, Nor just Fragile, Expensive, Noisy actuator's.

Avenge's rig also isn't in a Permanent position, Nor is mine and can be designed to either detach or be pushed to the side when not needed.
 
Nick Moxley
Being part of Xsimulator and being linked to many of builds, I can tell you one thing LeMansAid, There are some rather Noobish guy who attempt to build their own DIY rig and surprisingly 98% of them finish, sure might take them a combined couple month's to complete, But again at a RIDICULOUS cost saving's compared to going retail, Not to mention all the Bonuses DIY gear has to offer over retail.
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It's not always just about noob or not though. I suffer with anxiety, depression, and ocd level pragmatism. Some would have their rigs bought, built, and sold by the time I was only finished the with the machinations of the mind. Sometimes the smartest thing is to go for the realistic rather than the ultimate. On a completely different note - given the option, would you have your shifter mounted moving or static?

@HoiHman You're not going with D-Box?
 
HoiHman
I already scratched that option as it was too expensive, but 🤬:ouch::mad::D:banghead: you LeMansAid.

You got me googling and giving it a second look again :lol:
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Hey, once you've got it, you've got it. In twenty years' time you might be setting up the same D-Box gear on your third, fourth, fifth rig.

Considering the GS4, you are already getting a descent amount of direct to the body forces. I imagine that simulating from a broader base than a seat mover might be far more complimentary. It's hard though, we don't get to line up rigs with various combinations and try them one after the other.
 
The GS4 combined with simvibe is already awesome, but the thought of a full motion rig keeps going through my mind.

I'm just not entirely sure that D-box can be combined with simcommander.
 
Talk to Avenge76, He loves the "holes" the Seat mover fills that his GS4 doesn't. Overall like many upgrades, One you go motion, You Aint going back.

I personally dont feel a Dbox would offer the same amount of immersion as a seat mover does. Speed for starter's and the fact that the motion's are actually true to the real life movements. Full Frames Are wrong and opposite. Frex's site has the Best explanation in graphic display.


LeMans, Static or moving shifter, With a seat mover, Imo it needs to move with the seat itself, or you might go to hit the shifter and it aint where you left it. LOL

imho To be able to say you built your rig from the ground up gives a Level of Satisfaction that dropping 2000$ on a chunk of metal will NEVER compare to. Yes some would take Far longer than some to build, but thats all part of the DIY fun. Learning the process, honing new skill and Meeting new Friends.


Fwiw lemans, Buddy went to thailand last year and had the opportunity to try 3 different style motion rigs in a Mall, One Stage 4 SimX, A 4 actuator Dbox and a Blue Tiger. Within a week of being back he was over at my place testing my rig and was AMAZED at the difference in motion from 1 seat mover to the next(simx), Said mine was Far more precise in feeling the road textures and Overall Feel, The Actuator's were rather annoying after trying the Dbox BUT said the Dbox felt dull and lacked detail. Sure it wiggled him around but he said it just felt "off" the Bluetiger he said would be good for Flying or something but the Old SimBin game they had on the Bluetiger was just majorly outta wack as in the profile must have been made by a complete noob to the system.

YES a properly made profile can give you that Utter "nirvana" moment when cruising around the track, But a pooly built profile will make even the most expensive of rigs look and feel like poop.
 
Still not sure which way to go yet Nick.:) I will definately talk to Avenge76

I will open up a topic in xsimulator.net as soon as i know which direction i'm heading. I've been looking at and thinking about making a DIY seat mover, but i'm afraid it's gonna be very (if not too) diffficult. :confused:

D-box might be a quick and easy solution, but i'm even thinking about using the d-box as a seatmover because of weight and space restrictions.
 

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