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Robin.
That's what they should have done, put a Titan equivalent in it ($900 manufacture cost) and sell it for $700, sadly its not possible to do these things any more because no ones got any money! I feel consoles should be the most powerful thing or at least near to the most powerful thing at launch. It's not that the PS4 is bad, its just its a shame could have been so much more.

A good comparison is F1, because of costs we are no longer really seeing the pinnacle of engineering excellence and performance in motorsport.
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It wouldn't have cost that much more for close to Titan level of performance, $599 and they would most likely have similar profit margins and performance level close to Nvidia Titan. If they took the same hit as PS3, they could have sold it for less than $399. You have to remember though, the decision to go low to mid range for PS4 will help them out long term, PS5 will be able to show a bigger gap and financially they can get back on track for generation after. In like 3 years of its life cycle, it will be like how PS3 is with the super slim in size and profitability will likely be quite high. It also helps their competition has gone for even lower end specs.
 
I think comparing the price of GPUs to a console's potential price dilutes the main point. I'm pretty sure there were other more important reasons influencing the PS4s specs/price. Sony licensed AMD's IP, they collaborated and developed a processor that fitted Sony's needs efficiently (die size, heat, production constraints with 28nm process). I imagine that if 20-22 nm fabricating technology was readily available they could've added more GCN 1.0 units (shader engines, etc) to the processor's design. Think of a fully unlocked GK110 when giving future comparisons. Titan means nothing. Imagine if Nvidia licensed their IP earlier... Nah HSA architecture FTW!!
 
peobryant
I take it you haven't seen these pictures?

The Xbone is massive compared to the PS4.
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Holy crap. The X1 is indeed massive compared to the petite PS4. I will definitely wait for a Kinect-less slim version down the line.
 
neema_t
Sorry if this has been asked already, but about the monthly free games on PS+... Will we be able to 'claim' them without owning a PS4, so that when we get one we can download them? This month we get Resogun, but I'm not intending to get a PS4 until at least March.
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They say yes in the video through the web store like I said.
 
mcfizzle

They say yes in the video through the web store like I said.
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I haven't been able to use my ps3 for a week, and I don't have a vita, but I've been able to download (well queue) all the free games from last week through the new app.
 
gjeff12
I haven't been able to use my ps3 for a week, and I don't have a vita, but I've been able to download (well queue) all the free games from last week through the new app.
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The app sends you to the web store right?
 
Saidur_Ali
It wouldn't have cost that much more for close to Titan level of performance, $599 and they would most likely have similar profit margins and performance level close to Nvidia Titan. If they took the same hit as PS3, they could have sold it for less than $399. You have to remember though, the decision to go low to mid range for PS4 will help them out long term, PS5 will be able to show a bigger gap and financially they can get back on track for generation after. In like 3 years of its life cycle, it will be like how PS3 is with the super slim in size and profitability will likely be quite high. It also helps their competition has gone for even lower end specs.
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They would have to upgrade the CPU too so it wouldnt hold the Titan back. Thats even more money.

So now the PS4 is low end, lol.

PS3: released Q4 2006. GPU based on 7800GT, released Q3 2005

PS4: released Q4 2013. GPU based on 7850HD, released Q1 2012.

Both cards were considered high end at release on PC. So in reality the PS4 is only 6 months behind the PS3 in terms of keeping up with the latest tech.
 
Earth
They would have to upgrade the CPU too so it wouldnt hold the Titan back. Thats even more money.

So now the PS4 is low end, lol.

PS3: released Q4 2006. GPU based on 7800GT, released Q3 2005

PS4: released Q4 2013. GPU based on 7850HD, released Q1 2012.

Both cards were considered high end at release on PC. So in reality the PS4 is only 6 months behind the PS3 in terms of keeping up with the latest tech.
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7850 is mid tier from almost 2 years ago

What people should understand is consoles are limited for power consumption. Consolers and mainstream media think it will be like before where consoles will catch up but don't understand whats changed.

Back in 2005, high end GPU used around 80-90w. A console can pick that GPU to use. Over those nine years since, PC power consumption has moved up to 150W then 200W and now more recently in the last 4 years 250-300W for a high end single core GPU.

PS3 picked a $300 GPU, PS4 now its $139 at retail market, stuck on a laptop CPU similar to an athlon from 2009 in performance. PS4 uses 130w of power in total. PS3 used around 200w but like Cerny said they're going for lower power out the gate this time. The GPU that PS3 used was quite hot back then, probably lead to issues that Sony and MS don't want. 130W total doesn't allow for much with GPU and CPU.

My question would be, would gamers prefer a 200-300w console, all out gaming with a bit more noise? I don't think companies can ignore multimedia so you have some compromises.

Still the machines are pretty decent, they can use much better assetts so hardcore consolers give it time.
 
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chromatic9
7850 is mid tier from almost 2 years ago

What people should understand is consoles are limited for power consumption. Consolers and mainstream media think it will be like before where consoles will catch up but don't understand whats changed.

Back in 2005, high end GPU used around 80-90w. A console can pick that GPU to use. Over those nine years since, PC power consumption has moved up to 150W then 200W and now more recently in the last 4 years 250-300W for a high end single core GPU.

PS3 picked a $300 GPU, PS4 now its $139 at retail market, stuck on a laptop CPU similar to an athlon from 2009 in performance. PS4 uses 130w of power in total. PS3 used around 200w but like Cerny said they're going for lower power out the gate this time. The GPU that PS3 used was quite hot back then, probably lead to issues that Sony and MS don't want. 130W total doesn't allow for much with GPU and CPU.

My question would be, would gamers prefer a 200-300w console, all out gaming with a bit more noise? I don't think companies can ignore multimedia so you have some compromises.

Still the machines are pretty decent, they can use much better assetts so hardcore consolers give it time.
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So PS4's GPU is equivalent to a 1GB 7850? It has 5GBS of GDDR5 dedicated to gaming, and 8GBs total. If you want to get really technical Guerilla Games said they're using 3GBs of video memory, so no its not all system memory. How much would it set you back to equip a PC with 8GBs of GDDR5? And please dont direct me to some off brand GPU you would never ever buy yourself.

Also the PS3's GPU was at best a dumbed down 7800GT

PS4 held its ground just fine against twin 7970s in the Digital Foundry BF4 test. You can say whatever you want for as long as you want, but if the PS4 was as low end and underpowered as you claim, that would not be the case.

First owner of a Playstation 4

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iMikeTheKing
If your talking about the wobble I will quote this. Source

I posted both gifs of it wobbling. One showed the issue the other fixed it (from the video you linked). It's only an issue if it bothers you but I was planning on placing my xbox one on top of my ps4 (as long as it does not crush it) but now I won't do that.

In what way did I lie?
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I thought you wanted to say that those wobbling PS4s are broken.
Earth
So PS4's GPU is equivalent to a 1GB 7850?
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Nope, and I'm not talking about the memory.
 
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Earth
PS4 held its ground just fine against twin 7970s in the Digital Foundry BF4 test. You can say whatever you want for as long as you want, but if the PS4 was as low end and underpowered as you claim, that would not be the case.
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Until Digital Foundry uses some sort of true frame capturing technology, I call their stuff bull. Keep in mind both systems are running off of 2 different rendering pipelines. In terms of synthetics, two 7970s would rape. Inb4 Mantle.
 
Earth
So PS4's GPU is equivalent to a 1GB 7850? It has 5GBS of GDDR5 dedicated to gaming, and 8GBs total. If you want to get really technical Guerilla Games said they're using 3GBs of video memory, so no its not all system memory. How much would it set you back to equip a PC with 8GBs of GDDR5? And please dont direct me to some off brand GPU you would never ever buy yourself.

Also the PS3's GPU was at best a dumbed down 7800GT

PS4 held its ground just fine against twin 7970s in the Digital Foundry test. You can say whatever you want for as long as you want, but if the PS4 was as low end and underpowered as you claim, that would not be the case.
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7850 is a mid tier GPU. Your claim is its high end on pc at release. 7870 and 7950 and 7970 were above it.

"How much would it set you back to equip a PC with 8GBs of GDDR5? And please dont direct me to some off brand GPU you would never ever buy yourself"

Well for a start this has nothing to do with my posts and also your question has little understanding how PC works. Lets first say they have 5GB and this is a unified pool. Typically you will be around 3GB for gpu and 2GB for CPU/system side. You can buy a 7950 with 3GBs of vram for $250. PC has DDR3 for system and GDDR5 for graphics, the comparison is needless. Both PC and PS4 are equipped with excellent memory solutions. Your point comes across like someone who has swallowed some hype.

What is this 2x 7970s test? Held its ground is subjective.

7970 has 4tflops of power, x2 is 8tflops compared to a therotical of 1.8 on PS4.

BF4 on PS4 is 900p and not pushing settings like PC. So already its down resolution by a signifcant margin, the settings pc is using are much more taxing. 2x 7970 can run BF4 at 3860x2160 on ultra and PS4 settings much more.

Just to put it clear

3860x2160 = 8.3 million pixels
900p = 1.4 million

while tflops won't be 100% exact, it can give you a rough idea and is usually there or thereabouts and the raw real world peformance backs this large gulf up. Two 7970s crush the PS4 its not even funny.

Really sounds like hope from your end.
 
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I don't see why everyone is comparing a console to a PC. Part of the reason consoles are so popular is because you know every game you pop in will run no matter what without you having to mess with setting and you won't have to upgrade until a new system is released. It is obvious that the new consoles won't be as powerful as a PC but they still look extremely good, on par with the best I've seen on PC. In my opinion of course.

I just got back from the midnight launch with my PS4. I have the firmware updated but can't connect to PSN due to the high traffic. Hopefully I can connect in a bit as I really want to start downloading things.
 
Finally got a chance to use the ignore option.

I have tbe PS4 now, but the network is not letting me sign up. Too much traffic
 
Earth
So PS4's GPU is equivalent to a 1GB 7850? It has 5GBS of GDDR5 dedicated to gaming, and 8GBs total. If you want to get really technical Guerilla Games said they're using 3GBs of video memory, so no its not all system memory. How much would it set you back to equip a PC with 8GBs of GDDR5? And please dont direct me to some off brand GPU you would never ever buy yourself.

Also the PS3's GPU was at best a dumbed down 7800GT

PS4 held its ground just fine against twin 7970s in the Digital Foundry BF4 test. You can say whatever you want for as long as you want, but if the PS4 was as low end and underpowered as you claim, that would not be the case.

First owner of a Playstation 4

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Jack's face :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Earth
Finally got a chance to use the ignore option.

I have tbe PS4 now, but the network is not letting me sign up. Too much traffic
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Earth: Give us some first impressions when you get a chance! That is if you can tear yourself away from the screen!
 
Ryanswannell
Probably, but I'd have to be offered upwards of £50k to consider selling that.
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You're kidding, right? By the way, if someone does happen to offer you a five figure amount in pounds for a PS4, send them my way.
 

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