PLEASE let me race with Europeans

[Its No Use]

It probably sounds really hateful of me to say and I'm sorry if it does, but I believe European (and Asian) drivers put up more of a competition than New World drivers-- especially when GT3 and prototypes are predominantly European motorsports that I plan to get into-- and it's just not fair that I have to race with locals based on where I live.

What are the benefits? Lower latency?

If anything, the disadvantage is that I don't get to challenge people on their home turfs.

When is this game's region lock going to be removed??

 

[mclarenLB]

What are the benefits? Lower latency?

You've answered your own question

 

[Sven Jurgens]

You only need to make a European account. As long as you play on your primary ps4 you don't need another ps+ account. Of course you'll have to start from scratch.
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2016/11/17/how-to-create-a-psn-account-different-region/#/slide/1

 

[Its No Use]

You've answered your own question

Honestly, I don't care about the latency
If it means being able to race with you, it is totally worth it

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Honestly, I don't care about the latency
If it means being able to race with you, it is totally worth it

Other people might care about your latency Racing laggy cars is annoying.

 

[Its No Use]

I got a 5GB/s download speed

 

[Pfei]

Latency is an issue even with region-lock. There are people who play with accounts halfway around the world because they don't have PSN in their country or because other accounts have cheaper prices.

 

[Its No Use]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying
Forza Motorsport 7 (which has a league of its own) has no region-lock; last time I was playing with French and even Japanese players.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Other people might care about your latency Racing laggy cars is annoying.

I have a relatively slow internet connection but people seem to not have an issue with me. Yeah the signal sometimes shows 1 bar but ASH32 told me one time that I was lagging less than full bar players
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I'll be quite frank, the post sounded really arrogant no offense though, just how I saw it. You're not wrong either, I find the US region not only the easiest to play with, but also the dirtiest. With these factors combined it's a real joy doing no quali runs there because you can go wild with your overtakes not caring about efficiency and people taking each other out giving you free positions

Like Sven said, you can easily make an alternate account and selecting an EMEA or Asia/Oceana region instead. The charm is that you can still play online since PS+ on your original account carries over to your alternate account, as long as it's on your own PS4

For some notes that might help you, EU is just a tiny bit easier when it comes to playing against the lower ranks, but it really harder tenfold when you start meeting their A+ drivers. So if you think you're DR D-B-ish, Asia is the way to go with the stiffer competition in the middle ranks. If you fancy a much harder challenge though, I'd say get up to DR A in EU and face off with the aliens there

 

[tofuhero]

You've answered your own question

This is really not true. I race in a private lobby league with many UK and European folk and surprisingly I can't tell the difference from racing against NA people. And I'm in California! The networking (aside from the lobby bugs) and latency compensation is really fantastic.

I would at least like to be able to see my friends across the pond on leaderboards.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I like faster cars where ping times become more of an issue.

Theoretically the lowest possible ping time from Toronto to London is 2 * (5709 km / 299.792) = 38 ms. (based on speed of light)
Fiber optic cables operate 31% below that so 55 ms for a direct connection.
Currently it is 95 ms based on the Wonder network.
My local ping time is 18 ms from where I live to Toronto (Ookla speed test)
My ping time to London (Vodaphone UK) is 105 ms.

That's for direct connections, GTS goes from home to server to home afaik, so it would add some extra latency.

The game can smooth out a lot yet it can not predict when you start to brake or accelerate. That crucial bit of information will always arrive late. Yet it is true I would have a better experience racing British people instead of Argentinians. My ping time to Buenos Aires is 180ms, practically the same as to Tokyo (184 ms) Regions are very arbitrary, 122ms for me to Berlin, better than 165ms to Rio de Janeiro. Who I don't want to race are Australians, 237ms from here to Canberra!

Of course local ISP issues play a big factor as well. I have seen some Canadians lag much worse than Brazilians. The distance base factor can't be denied though. It would make more sense if the game actually put people together based on ping times instead of these crude regions.


Unfortunately I can't race on a secondary account anyway as my kids play online on the base ps4 which is set to primary. There is no room to install GTS on that.

 

[azrilnazli]

3 bar latency from Malaysia to Eur,no problems racing at there. B/S in Asia is really tiring and competitive. Cant break 20k at least for me.

 

[GTPorsche]

3 bar latency from Malaysia to Eur,no problems racing at there. B/S in Asia is really tiring and competitive. Cant break 20k at least for me.

3 bars might be ok for you, but I've seen people jumping around on track with 4 bars, and my latency to the servers is 17ms.

 

[sundaydriving]

The jerkiness is probably caused more by packet loss or latency spikes. Its not all just about the speed of light.

Id like the game to have global matching. There are only certain times during the day I can play and it would be nice to have a larger player base to call on 24/7.

 

[Shottah072]

Id rather race a American or whatever with a good connection then a European with crap internet.

 

[Rinsky]

I find the US region not only the easiest to play with, but also the dirtiest.

Hey now you know that's not true for all of us. Granted I'm not the fastest player around but I'm not slow either.
I will say I'm among one of the cleanest drivers you will see especially when you couldn't put a sheet of paper in between our cars because we are racing that close.

 

[TenderLoins]

I got a 5GB/s download speed

Which actually has very little to do with latency.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Hey now you know that's not true for all of us. Granted I'm not the fastest player around but I'm not slow either.
I will say I'm among one of the cleanest drivers you will see especially when you couldn't put a sheet of paper in between our cars because we are racing that close.

Of course Not all of the US region people are dirty- some of them might even be the cleanest I know, like you. It's just something of a general statement, say what I experience 80% of the time. It's like Sven's description of people based on their DR

DR.D drivers are often hard to predict where they will suddenly brake. DR.C is a strange breed, rarely seen. DR.B drivers tend to be more careful yet sometimes a bit too much causing unintentional pile ups, while many DR.A are over confident in their abilities resulting in a lot of contact. And then you have A+ that expects anything below to get out of their way or they will 'escort' them off the road to complain about blocking in the post race chat.

This isn't necessarily true for anyone, but rather it is a general observation that he experienced. Hope that clears things up

 

[Pfei]

Which actually has very little to do with latency.

+1000 this ^

You could have a million GB/s speed but if your modem/router, WAN or LAN are not correctly configured you can suffer from network instability, latency spikes and lag (high ping) in general. There are also ISPs that provide high speeds but with high latency, either due to their infrastructure or due to low-grade modems that come free with your plan. I have been playing online for ten years with a ADSL connection in Patagonia, Argentina. First with 3MB, then 6 and now 10. I have never had lag issues (beyond what would be expected from my geographic isolation) because speed has nothing to do with gaming and because I have invested in a 3rd-party modem/router that I can configure myself to get the best possible network environmet. The information packets that are exchanged between your home and the host server are so small that a 1Mbit/s is enough, as long as your network is set up properly (and no-one is trying to watch YouTube in Full HD or trying to upload a video at the same time ).

Also, satellite internet has extremely high latency and is unfit for gaming no matter how much speed they give you.

 

[usmaan]

It probably sounds really hateful of me to say and I'm sorry if it does, but I believe European (and Asian) drivers put up more of a competition than New World drivers-- especially when GT3 and prototypes are predominantly European motorsports that I plan to get into-- and it's just not fair that I have to race with locals based on where I live.

What are the benefits? Lower latency?

If anything, the disadvantage is that I don't get to challenge people on their home turfs.

When is this game's region lock going to be removed??

Stay away from the Spaniards

 

[FoRiZon]

I got a 5GB/s download speed

Doesnt matter with your ping though atleast amongst other players.

 

[Its No Use]

Stay away from the Spaniards

I've heard stories about them.

 

[Krypton78]

I felt that the scandinavian drivers seem to be the cleanest.

 

[WaikeCU]

I've heard stories about them.

And Italians...

Monza was fine without chicanes. Now it has chicanes, the Italians also drive like chicanes.

EDIT: Will post some footage later.

 

[rex1825]

Living in Serbia, using US account, ping to server 140-160ms ...presume EU server would be like 45-50ms for me, but region lock is what game is all about... then you have nations FIA with only US players lol... and you should suppose to play against whole world... sure...

 

[VeeDoubleU]

this has turned from a thread about latency and PSN accounts to now just xenophobia

 

[rex1825]

@Sven Jurgens why should one throw 1 year of gameplay just to switch accounts, I mean, how hard is it to implement, similar to the filter in MP to be a part of lower latency server? Also there need to be an option to save current settings not whenever I go to MP I need to switch that to all regions, why isn't there an option for EU only, Japan only, don't understand policy behind all of this, and then when I try to create account with same name on EU it says that it is already taken, and only account is my US one... so based on this, server is unified, and only difference is latency...

 

[serlemke]

this has turned from a thread about latency and PSN accounts to now just xenophobia

xenophobia for a bit of drama?
for me looks more like statistics/pattern, the more you race the more you notice - whatever if they are french, italians, spanish, england...... at some point you will be more careful on the first corners after seeing the starting grid, brain will remember the usual flow and try to avoid. If you are a clean driver.

 

[DodgySyrup]

this has turned from a thread about latency and PSN accounts to now just xenophobia

No, your fragile sensibilities have been triggered and you want to claim it is xenophobia.

It is actually people talking about what is best for them in terms of who they play against, and some harmless banter.

Grow a thicker skin.

 

[VeeDoubleU]

No, your fragile sensibilities have been triggered and you want to claim it is xenophobia.

It is actually people talking about what is best for them in terms of who they play against, and some harmless banter.

Grow a thicker skin.

You don't have to call someone 'triggered' just because they criticise some posts just because you are unable to accept said criticism.

Saying 'oh Brazilians crash me off' or 'the French are the worst to race again' etc is xenophobia, whether or not you wish to accept it.

You are the one who is unable to accept criticism, you need to grow a thicker skin.