Points system to be replaced?

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I'm frankly surprised that no crazed and mental F1 fan has tried assassinating the dude yet.
 
Omnis
I think this system would work better:

Place number shall equal spankings received by Max Mosley. Least-spanked driver wins the championship. Drivers will push 100% for 1st place, even if they DNF in the process. Kinkiest drivers finish last.
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Think that's going in the ol'sig. :lol:
 
Ecclestone is the glue that holds F1 together. Once he's gone don't be surprised if F1 falls apart as every vested interest makes a grab for power.

There's nothing wrong with the current points system but If they went back to 10, 6, 4, 3, 2, & 1 for the top six positions it would benefit the driver with the most wins.

Perhaps they could use the top 6 for the drivers but keep the current top 8 scores for the constructors title.
 
Gold medals? Dashes to the chequered flag? The term 'Bernie's F1 circus' is very apt! What else could he introduce for next season, the egg and spoiler race? The sack race? Here's hoping he wins the latter!
 
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Simple: Each driver puts an egg on his wing. Whoever manages to finish without dropping it gets to add another egg on the next race, dropping them means starting from scratch. Driver with most eggs at the end of the season gets an omelette.
 
Tired Tyres
Ecclestone is the glue that holds F1 together. Once he's gone don't be surprised if F1 falls apart as every vested interest makes a grab for power.
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There comes a time when the glue won't stay on anymore, and it's time to replace it with some screws. What difference would it make if other corporations or banks took control of F1? A good difference I think.

Because then they would look at what markets F1 actually sells in or could sell in, and bring F1 there without threatening to take a race off the calendar every month. Interest in F1 is now permanently DESTROYED in North America because of this man! Every month we seem to hear about how Interlagos, Spa and Silverstone or some other circuits are gonna get the boot as well. By all means, bring F1 to other countries in Asia and the Middle East, but for crying out loud, it doesn't make business sense to abandon your core markets like that. Keeping your customers is much harder than acquiring new ones, which is why it is so important that you do not lose them.

Although it does make sense to Bernie. Bernie is very old, so he knows he doesn't have much time left to become even richer than he is, if he keeps F1 on the same path it has been going on for decades. So what does he do? He tries to make instant money in countries that are willing to worship him, at the expense of abandoning F1's North and South American, European and Australian fans. He also tries to change up the rules often, to make F1 little more than a circus. Bernie does not seem to care if his business actions today, affect F1's long term future, simply because he'll be dead by then and it won't matter anymore. Combine all of this with the too-nostalgic-for-his-own good Max Mosley and the eccentric Herman Tilke, and you get chaos. It's incredible that F1 is still standing on its feet right now, although some would argue its already on its knees.


This medals system he is proposing is just the tip of an iceberg. As he gets older and more senile we will see start seeing crazier things than this. It is worrying to imagine what he might do a few years down the road, and how he would affect Formula One's long term future doing it.
 
I thought if F1 was going to change the points system(which isn't needed), it would stretch from 1st to 10th or involve bonus points like most led laps or fastest lap.

The Formula 1 medal system is a HORRIBLE idea. This isn't the bloody X-Games or track&field Olympics!
 
Whats the news on Ecclestone introducing a Gold-Silver-Bronze System? Today while driving, they aired an interview of Ecclestone and he was talking about that system like in the olympics.
Me as a Racer myself thinks that this is nuts.

Chris
 
The Olympics happens once every 4 years and uses the elimination system. These medals are given when the sporting event is over, i guess you can compare this to the end of a sport season, "the chase" or playoffs.

From what i understand, Ecclestone wants this to happens in the span of 1 racing weekend?
 
I'm thinking this whole thing comes as a result of a conversation that went something like this:

"You know, Bernie, Massa should have won the championship. He won more races, and won the final race when it mattered. If F1 were scored like the Olympics, Massa would have had 6 golds to Hamilton's 5, and that would be that."

:rolleyes:
 
Ya know, there's absolutely nothing wrong with "only" needing to finish 5th in the last race, since you've done so well up to that point. How is that uncompetitive? And just because they would have had the same number of "medals" this year doesn't mean anything. If one wins 6 and another wins 2, but finishes second in all those other 6, AND finishes more of the other races than the 6-race winner, he's gonna come out BEHIND him? How is that fair? The DNFs should cost!

And how can a championship that came down to THE LAST F#%$@%%#$ CORNER be called a reason to change things?!??!

2 years in a row it's come to the last race and been settled by a single point. Most series would DREAM of suspense like that.

First place is not a big enough gaps in points, and should be better rewarded. Personally, I liked the really old 9-6-4-3-2-1 system. The winner had a gap, but the 10-6-4-3-2-1 was too much. The 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 is too close for the positions.
 
I still like my 15-12-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1.... Or what if we give points down to 16th place? That'll make people fight like hell just to stay on track...

Superb, Adrian! You may have finished twelve laps down and without a rear wing, but you still got us points! Good job!
 
A much-missed spot in the medals system is that it still won't encourage to-the-wire racing in the end. Imagine a last race with Massa at 5 golds, 5 silvers and 3 bronzes, and Hamilton at 6 golds, 5 silvers and 4 bronzes. Why would Hamilton have any incentive to even start his engine? A victory for Massa means losing on the Bronzes, and anything less is losing on the golds. He sealed the championship, even though the points-gap could be 1 point.
 
niky
I still like my 15-12-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1.... Or what if we give points down to 16th place? That'll make people fight like hell just to stay on track...

Superb, Adrian! You may have finished twelve laps down and without a rear wing, but you still got us points! Good job!
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That's true, or at least go back with the point to P12.That would encourage teams not only to fight for positions, it would also make team reconsider whether to quit a race or not.

Bernie, forget the idea with medals! Keep it like before with points, just extend them to P10 or as i would suggest P12.

Chris
 
Or vouchers for the Ferrari merchandising stand. The one who looks the most like Massa or Kimi at the end of the season wins the championship?
 
After many years of 9-6-4-3-2-1, we got to 10-6-4-3-2-1 and then to 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1. I think it's fine as it is.

The "medals" idea is crap. Both in years with a dominating driver (like the Schumacher years) and in years with much more open championships (like nowadays), the only possible result would be that good racing in the midfield would be pointless. And the gap between top drivers (driving for top teams) and all others would increase. If BE wants F1 to become even less appealing to smaller teams and their sponsors, that's the way to go.

If I was invited to think about the points system, theonly thing I could propose is that efforts - other than the race finishing position - should also get some reward. The most obvious would be to give a point for obtaining the pole and a point for the race fastest lap.
 
Moar...

Bernie is "fed up" with no overtaking - he cites the reason for the lack of overtaking on the point system, since drivers can still walk away with a substantial reward without needing to bother overtaken.

However, he also seems to accuse Lewis Hamilton of not bothering to overtake because he didn't need to... erm, Bernie... were you actually watching this season?

He also says that drivers are unwilling to take risks and that making wins more important (i.e. totally decisive!) will encourage more risk taking... erm, Bernie... did Lewis Hamilton not take enough risks last year either?

He also implies that Massa should have been able to call himself champ by virtue of the fact that he "won" more races... erm, Bernie... you do realise that this was only the case because Massa was handed victory at Spa when Lewis was stripped of the win because... guess what, a controversial and largely unnecessary overtaking maneouver in order to win rather than settle for second place...

He hasn't thought this one through, has he... :dunce:
 
Bernie is obviously away with the fairies :dunce: If this is applied to F1 it will be the end of a 25 year following for me .. gold silver and bronze for the top 3 and nothing for anybody else is absolute stupidity 👎

Someone needs to dethrone this guy before he causes mayhem methinks .. bloomin senile old goat :lol:
 
That's a bad thing, when we think about it. Bernie is driven by money. With all his money gone, he'll work extra hard to re-gain it - at the expense of our beloved GPs.


Also, extending points to 10th or 12th place would be silly, I think. Some touring-car series do that - but they have fields of 30+ cars. In a small grid of 20, rewarding more than a third of the drivers with points is, pardon the pun, pointless. As it is, we have four drivers of the top cars, and four spots for the upper midfield - fair enough, I think, to encourage racing in the midfield (which was ultra-competitive this season - a tenth or two made the difference between mid-Q3 and mid-Q2!), without giving them too much (points to 10th or more) or too little (just two points-positions outside the top-2).
 
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Eddie Jordan is leading the criticism, which it seems we all agree with...

A major issue with putting the emphasis on race wins is that it puts the stewards in a hell of a spot. Their decision to strip Lewis of two places in Belgium and promote Massa one place would have given Massa a two gold medal swing under Bernie's new system (i.e. 5-6 to 6-5)... in other words, the decisive moment of the World Championship... and how many people did Massa have to race for that crucial medal? Ironically, Massa won that race by settling for second and not even trying to win (well, if you share Bernie's definition of 'not trying' anyway...) whereas Lewis, who put the crucial move on Kimi to take the lead, gets punished and would have lost the World Championship because of it ...

It also puts the teams in a seriously tough spot, and raises the spectre of race-fixing accusations. If Kimi lets Massa through presently, he hands him an extra point or two at best. Now he can effectively hand him the World Championship.. you could argue that has always been the case, but it will be 100 times more obvious/prevalent when race wins are all that count...
 
So simply if one guy gets six wins and doesnt finish any other races and then another gets gets 15 second places he doesnt win anything not very fair is it. I thought f1 was about consistency aswell.
 
paolopepper
So simply if one guy gets six wins and doesnt finish any other races and then another gets gets 15 second places he doesnt win anything not very fair is it. I thought f1 was about consistency aswell.
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Not only that, but if the other guy gets 5 wins and 12 second places, under the current system this gives him 156 points.

Where as the guy who wins 6 races but finishes no other would get only 60 points - yet still wins the championship under Bernie's crazy-ass 2009 meddle system!

No, it doesn't reward for consistency at all. 👎
 
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"All the teams back it."

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Give me one non-financial reason that a small team would back this?
 

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