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[XS]

Calm down, I put happy smiley in my post so please don´t feel offendend. If I am nitpicking that actually means I read all of what you said, otherwise I couldn´t do it. Thing is, MY point of view is, that if you like to buy a 20 Mill. $ car, you need to grind, no matter what. Doing the Red Bull challenge over and over again, is grinding. And my original comment was about the seasonals which give you money just once. If you did all the seasonals, you have may be 2 Millions in credits.... that money runs out quicker than it should. And what than? All cars estimate to 350 Million $. You would also have to grind in GT5 for that and GT5 gives more money.

So MY opinion is: The payout is to low and they don´t do repeatable seasonals because they want to sell you the microcash... The kind of races you have in GT5 which you can do over and over again, with differnet cars and settings and still got some nice cash... its gone in GT6 due to stupid AI...

Me quoting you is not nitpicking by the way. I respond to things you say. Its called conversation. I thought I had a decent one with you discussing different opinions. No need to be in rage.

This is GT6 forums, so forgive me for getting defensive quickly . If you know what I mean...
I don't think the payouts are all that bad. The most expensive cars should be hard to get for a reason. But then PD defeats that by making credits purchasable, so IMO that's dumb, but I understand why they did it. But yeah, I don't like micro transactions at all. Anyway, like I said, I think expensive cars should be hard to get. But I will say that there are enough of them in GT6 that it would take some incredible grinding sessions to buy them all. So yes your point is valid there. I will never own them all because I don't grind all that much. I think PD should make more events in career mode and more seasonal events available at a time, so we won't have to grind as much and get bored as quickly. This I have always felt is a big problem with GT5 and GT6. It's not that hard for PD to add more events and it would keep us interested for longer, add re-playability, reduce grinding required for the very expensive cars, and probably increase sales of the series. But my original point is still valid, at least they made it so we don't have to grind to buy a Mazda 787B or similar car, unlike GT5, which most of us would have.

 

[Jawehawk]

That would be a massive resounding NO! You should NEVER have to pay for stuff that you already paid for.
We paid for the game, so the content is ours. Anyone who buys in-game credits should have their game and gaming console taken away from them, so that they can no longer contribute to the removal of basic consumer rights.

 

[Numbers]

I all ready spent about 60 bucks on credits. not another cent.

 

[MrUnknown]

That would be a massive resounding NO! You should NEVER have to pay for stuff that you already paid for.
We paid for the game, so the content is ours. Anyone who buys in-game credits should have their game and gaming console taken away from them, so that they can no longer contribute to the removal of basic consumer rights.

Hey. There's no need to be so drastic.

It's the consumer's decision, whether buy it or not.

 

[STiG39]

This is GT6 forums, so forgive me for getting defensive quickly . If you know what I mean...
I don't think the payouts are all that bad. The most expensive cars should be hard to get for a reason. But then PD defeats that by making credits purchasable, so IMO that's dumb, but I understand why they did it. But yeah, I don't like micro transactions at all. Anyway, like I said, I think expensive cars should be hard to get. But I will say that there are enough of them in GT6 that it would take some incredible grinding sessions to buy them all. So yes your point is valid there. I will never own them all because I don't grind all that much. I think PD should make more events in career mode and more seasonal events available at a time, so we won't have to grind as much and get bored as quickly. This I have always felt is a big problem with GT5 and GT6. It's not that hard for PD to add more events and it would keep us interested for longer, add re-playability, reduce grinding required for the very expensive cars, and probably increase sales of the series. But my original point is still valid, at least they made it so we don't have to grind to buy a Mazda 787B or similar car, unlike GT5, which most of us would have.

I know I know...

See, at the end we have the same opinion. . This TT Seasonals should stop and be replaced by real seasonal races. This would bring some fun, replayability and cash to the players. And using the variety of cars to its fullest is actually what makes GT games stand out from others. They desperately try to make money with GT6 in any way. I hope that will end soon, and they concenrate on improving the game...

 

[Stotty]

I would happily have paid £20 for 50 million credits... however, the VGT glitch PD built in to the game means it's not necessary

 

[GTAndy36]

I would happily have paid £20 for 50 million credits... however, the VGT glitch PD built in to the game means it's not necessary

I thought this glitch was patched?

 

[MrUnknown]

I thought this glitch miracle was patched?

Unfortunately, yes...

 

[eran0004]

That would be a massive resounding NO! You should NEVER have to pay for stuff that you already paid for.
We paid for the game, so the content is ours. Anyone who buys in-game credits should have their game and gaming console taken away from them, so that they can no longer contribute to the removal of basic consumer rights.

You don't have to pay for anything. It's an option. No consumer rights have been removed.

 

[Jawehawk]

You don't have to pay for anything. It's an option. No consumer rights have been removed.

It's content that's already in-game. Therefore, it is wrong. SImple as that.

 

[MrUnknown]

It's content that's already in-game. Therefore, it is wrong. SImple as that.

At least you are not obligated to pay it.

Simple.

 

[Jawehawk]

At least you are not obligated to pay it.

Simple.

Right, instead I have to grind several houndred hours to buy the most expensive and interesting cars in the game.

 

[eran0004]

It's content that's already in-game. Therefore, it is wrong. SImple as that.

It's content which is free.

 

[Jawehawk]

It's content which is free.

It most certainly isn't. I paid for it when I bought the game. In fact, I paid for every single car, track and feature that is on the disc, plus the ones that are promised to us on the official page.

 

[MrUnknown]

Right, instead I have to grind several houndred hours to buy the most expensive and interesting cars in the game.

Your satisfatory advance regarding careless and serious manners is very low...

 

[eran0004]

It most certainly isn't. I paid for it when I bought the game. In fact, I paid for every single car, track and feature that is on the disc, plus the ones that are promised to us on the official page.

That's irrelevant. You don't have to pay extra to get access to content that you've already bought.

 

[Jawehawk]

You satisfatory advance regarding careless and serious manners is very low...

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you just said.

That's irrelevant. You don't have to pay extra to get access to content that you've already bought.

It's not irrelevant at all. I'm entitled access to the things that I've paid for. Having to grind houndreds of hours to actually get the cars is absurd.

I'll give you an example of just how much time it can take to make money in the game.
My current status says I've driven for a total of 79.5 hours. My total credits earned says 19.988 million credits.
Not even enough to buy just one of the most expensive cars in the game. This is unacceptable.

The singple fact is that many people simply don't have the time for this. They are essentially forced to pay extra, just to get access to the things that they've already paid for. This is wrong. Everyone with a working brain should be able to figure that out.

 

[eran0004]

It's not irrelevant at all. I'm entitled access to the things that I've paid for. Having to grind houndreds of hours to actually get the cars is absurd.

I'll give you an example of just how much time it can take to make money in the game.
My current status says I've driven for a total of 79.5 hours. My total credits earned says 19.988 million credits.
Not even enough to buy just one of the most expensive cars in the game. This is unacceptable.

The singple fact is that many people simply don't have the time for this. They are essentially forced to pay extra, just to get access to the things that they've already paid for. This is wrong. Everyone with a working brain should be able to figure that out.

But you have access to the cars you've payed for!

It is absurd to grind hundreds of hours for a car, when you can just do the Red Bull events and have the credits in no time at all. Everyone with a working brain should realise that.

And Gran Turismo has had this structure for 15 years, so I don't know what kind of consumer rights that are stripped away from you. Note: You're not actually buying the cars - you're buying the game.

And you haven't been grinding for 80 hours. If you had you would have earned nearly half a billion credits by now.

 

[Squanto]

And Gran Turismo has had this structure for 15 years, so I don't know what kind of consumer rights that are stripped away from you. Note: You're not actually buying the cars - you're buying the game.

In earlier editions you won cars for each event .... now only on 50 % and 100% completion for an entire class.... So I agree with @Jawehawk that you either have to pay real cash or grind a lot more then you'ld have to in previous editions of the game ....

 

[eran0004]

In earlier editions you won cars for each event .... now only on 50 % and 100% completion for an entire class.... So I agree with @Jawehawk that you either have to pay real cash or grind a lot more then you'ld have to in previous editions of the game ....

The vast majority of the cars you won in GT5 are so cheap that you can easily buy them after doing a single race.

 

[MrUnknown]

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you just said.

It doesn't have sense. Unless you use your knowledge and figure out what I'm exactly saying.

 

[Squanto]

The vast majority of the cars you won in GT5 are so cheap that you can easily buy them after doing a single race.

Yep .... but just to name a few who are big money ... (bolded with prices in GT6 - Totals 54M)

GT5 A-Spec Endurance(Level Based Unlocking)
Level 25 : Grand Valley 300km: Honda HSC '03 (S)
Level 26 : Roadster 4 hours: Mazda 110S '68 (S)
Level 27 : Laguna Seca 200 miles: Infinity Coupe Concept '06 (P)
Level 28 : Indianapolis 500 miles: XJ13 Race Car '66 (P) 20M
Level 30 : Suzuka 1000km: Nissan GT-R Concept LM race car (S)
Level 32 : Nurburgring 4h: Audi R8 LMS Race Car '09 (S)
Level 33 : Tsukuba 9h: HKS CT230R '08 (P)
Level 35 : Le Mans 24h: Audi R8 Race Car (Audio Playstation Team Oreca) '05 (S) 1,9M
Level 40 : Nurburgring 24h: Audi R10 TDI '06 (P) 2M
Endurance Events Complete: Gift car Ticket Level 24
GT5 B-Spec Endurance(Level Based Unlocking)
Level 25 : Grand Valley 300km: Honda DUALNOTE Concept '01 (S)
Level 26 : Roadster 4 hours: Mazda 110S (L10A) '67 (S)
Level 27 : Laguna Seca 200 miles: Camaro IROC-Z Concept '88 (S)
Level 28 : Indianapolis 500 miles Level 28: Ford GT40 Race Car '69 (S) 20M
Level 30 : Suzuka 1000km: Nissan Fairlady Z-Concept LM Race Car (S)
Level 32 : Nurburgring 4h: Lexus IS F Racing Concept ‘08 (P)
Level 33 : Tsukuba 9h: Amuse S2000 GT1 ‘04 (S)
Level 35 : Le Mans 24h: Toyota GT-One Race Car (TS020) (S) 1,7M
Level 40 : Nurburgring 24h: McLaren MP4-12C '10 (P)
Endurance Events Complete: Gift car Ticket Level 24
B-Spec Level 35: Red Bull X2010 S.Vettel (P) (Red Bull livery) 6M

I would rather win a championship and get it for free then grind ...

 

[Jaywalker]

Use hard-earned real money to buy make-believe money for a game I've already paid for? I don't think so, Kaz/Sony... 👎

 

[shepzki]

No, virtual currency should be earned virtually.

 

[eran0004]

Yep .... but just to name a few who are big money ... (bolded with prices in GT6 - Totals 54M)

GT5 A-Spec Endurance(Level Based Unlocking)
Level 25 : Grand Valley 300km: Honda HSC '03 (S)
Level 26 : Roadster 4 hours: Mazda 110S '68 (S)
Level 27 : Laguna Seca 200 miles: Infinity Coupe Concept '06 (P)
Level 28 : Indianapolis 500 miles: XJ13 Race Car '66 (P) 20M
Level 30 : Suzuka 1000km: Nissan GT-R Concept LM race car (S)
Level 32 : Nurburgring 4h: Audi R8 LMS Race Car '09 (S)
Level 33 : Tsukuba 9h: HKS CT230R '08 (P)
Level 35 : Le Mans 24h: Audi R8 Race Car (Audio Playstation Team Oreca) '05 (S) 1,9M
Level 40 : Nurburgring 24h: Audi R10 TDI '06 (P) 2M
Endurance Events Complete: Gift car Ticket Level 24
GT5 B-Spec Endurance(Level Based Unlocking)
Level 25 : Grand Valley 300km: Honda DUALNOTE Concept '01 (S)
Level 26 : Roadster 4 hours: Mazda 110S (L10A) '67 (S)
Level 27 : Laguna Seca 200 miles: Camaro IROC-Z Concept '88 (S)
Level 28 : Indianapolis 500 miles Level 28: Ford GT40 Race Car '69 (S) 20M
Level 30 : Suzuka 1000km: Nissan Fairlady Z-Concept LM Race Car (S)
Level 32 : Nurburgring 4h: Lexus IS F Racing Concept ‘08 (P)
Level 33 : Tsukuba 9h: Amuse S2000 GT1 ‘04 (S)
Level 35 : Le Mans 24h: Toyota GT-One Race Car (TS020) (S) 1,7M
Level 40 : Nurburgring 24h: McLaren MP4-12C '10 (P)
Endurance Events Complete: Gift car Ticket Level 24
B-Spec Level 35: Red Bull X2010 S.Vettel (P) (Red Bull livery) 6M

I would rather win a championship and get it for free then grind ...

Indy 500: 2.5 hours.
Le Mans: 24 hours.
Nurburgring: 24 hours.

Total play time to obtain the bolded cars: 77 hours, + the time it takes to reach the appropriate level.

That's quite a grind, if you only want the cars.

In GT6 you could spend the same time on the Red Bull events and get half a billion credits. And let's just face it, most people who did the events above probably used the Red Bull car anyway.

 

[Squanto]

Indy 500: 2.5 hours.
Le Mans: 24 hours.
Nurburgring: 24 hours.
Total play time to obtain the bolded cars: 77 hours, + the time it takes to reach the appropriate level.
That's quite a grind, if you only want the cars.
In GT6 you could spend the same time on the Red Bull events and get half a billion credits.

Please keep in mind that I responded to the fact that there were more cars to be won in GT5 compared to GT6. So thats the real issue I was addressing

I agree with you on the money part .... but I still rather drive green hell for 24h in GT5 and really enjoy it ....then do the RB challenges in GT6 ... just for the money ....

I like to drive for fun .... not for the money ... and I like a nice reward after I won a championship ...
(it is PD/Sony who made it necessary to grind or buy credits with hard cash, nobody wants that)

 

[eran0004]

Please keep in mind that I responded to the fact that there were more cars to be won in GT5 compared to GT6. So thats the real issue I was addressing

I agree with you on the money part .... but I still rather drive green hell for 24h in GT5 and really enjoy it ....then do the RB challenges in GT6 ... just for the money ....

I like to drive for fun .... not for the money ... and I like a nice reward after I won a championship ...
(it is PD/Sony who made it necessary to grind or buy credits with hard cash, nobody wants that)

More cars to be won doesn't mean it's any faster to obtain them. It's just a different method.

And the Nürburgring 24H example doesn't work, because you're doing it for a different purpose: To have fun. If your purpose was to get a car, then you probably wouldn't do Nürburgring 24H, unless the car you want happens to be the Audi R10 and you don't mind playing for about a week to get it.

Grinding is something you do when you want to obtain resources as quickly and efficient as possible, and in that regard the endurance races in GT5 are all very poor choices, except for the Indy 500 ones when it comes to obtaining those prize cars.

(Edit: And you still had to grind for XP until you reached the endurance races)

 

[HuskyGT]

No. Speaking for what is fair, no amount of money is small enough. We already bought the game. Why pay for something that is available already? That's one thing. The other thing is that the game has been rigged to promote this shameful marketing behavior. So no and no.

I must admit that if the price for maxed out credits was something like $5 dollars, I would consider it. But I would probably feel really stupid if I did.

 

[STiG39]

If they did something like 99ct for 25 Million credits... they probably would be rich in no time. Because be honest: Who wouldn´t just throw away 99t for nothing. But in the end you would do this like 20 times within the next 3 month to buy all the cars and tune them... thats still rather cheap. Now 5 Million GT6 Players do this,.... you do the math. (99 Million $)

I think PD has no clue what they are doing and Sony is telling them to just milk the players and make money. Because PD doesn´t know how to do it.... well you see the results.