POLL: Do econo-cars and small cars (think Lifan) have a place in gt6?

[TuneR-]

Yes, they certainly do have a place in the game.

 

[mikecustom]

I don't mind slow cars, but I can't tolerate japanese and korean turds, they're the worst from all around the world, they're poorly designed and manufactured

Why can't we get a samart for-two? instead we get 20 variations of the MOVE, seriously?

I would even drive a Chevy Spark instead of MOVES,

The original idea of driving you real life car on a TV was good but it got out of hand, in my country nobody uses these little pieces of crap, the closest thing to these is the Atos by Hyundai and its used as a Taxi car, nobody wants these turds.

For people who think they're "special", get into one, drive it and you'll lose all the love you had for it.

To me in GT5, these K-cars are there to make fun of them, to see something unusual on a racetrack, nothing more.

 

[300SRT8Fan]

What kind of a question is this?

When you are a real car enthusiast, you'll get the same possitive feeling from a VW Kubelwagen or a Lamborghini Aventador.

Having all types of cars is the essence of Gran Turismo.

I think they belong, they are fun, read the OP, I was just wondering what other's thought, and some of them hate them.

 

[TuneR-]

I would even drive a Chevy Spark instead of MOVES

I find this funny, since Chevy Spark is a Daewoo Matiz with Chevy badges, produced by GM korea.

 

[counter345]

Just like any other type of car; kei-cars and the like are fun to rocket around the small tracks, and are (mostly) easy to drive, which makes it a pleasant change from a 'casual' 900 horsepower rocket.

 

[avens]

fuel saving "races"

 

[coolboy48]

One of my favorite parts of GT4/5 has always been the idea and possibilities of small econoboxes hurtling around Tsukuba or the 'Ring.

Like a Best Motoring battle but with ordinary, non-performance cars.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I feel like the slower cars in the game teach people very important lessons about racing lines and conservation of speed that just isn't possible with the week's newest supercar. In some 600+ horsepower monster, if you scrub a bit too much speed in a turn, it's a minor problem, because you're back up to speed so quickly. In a Kei car race, every mph matters, and you learn the absolute definition of smooth steering inputs. Tying into those, you hunt for the best racing line to minimize this loss of speed. It's a different approach than other cars, but to many of us, equally interesting.

Plus, with a game like GT, with plenty of tuning options, there's the endless David and Goliath approaches. I had a blast trying to hunt the 07 GT-R's time with a max-tuned Cappuccino, more fun than I did in the target car.

Do I think we need every single one of the current crop from GT5? No, probably not; my preference for the next game is for it to be free of Standards, and some of those little Keis just haven't become historic, even in their home land. But I would hate to lose all of them, especially the Beat, as it's the only one of the sports car trio to not get a premium conversion yet. But even something like the Suzuki Wagon RR? It was an important vehicle for its time, and I'd love to take out smug hot hatches with it online.

I guess it just depends on who you are: David, or Goliath.

 

[analog]

especially the Beat, as it's the only one of the sports car trio to not get a premium conversion yet. But even something like the Suzuki Wagon RR? It was an important vehicle for its time, and I'd love to take out smug hot hatches with it online.

Plus one on the Beat, would love that zebra-print on the seats in full Premium glory.
And I agree that the Wagon R was an important vehicle, at least in Japan during that time, even though that iconic status (perhaps iconic is a bit too strong though) hasn't catched on in other countries, I guess it basically served a similar role as for example the 2CV and Renault 4 did in post-war Europe, basic cheap no-nonsense transportation for multiple purposes and the utilitarian looks to illustrate it.

As for dinky little Kei cars, I've always wondered why this little mid-engined 3 cylinder turbo Group B spec Daihatsu Charade DeTomaso 926R (yes, a collaboration with DeTomaso who also owned Innocenti at the time which used Daihatsu engines) hasn't been added to a GT-game, okay it's only a concept but I think it would be an image-booster for the often derided Daihatsu brand.

 

[zedextreme8177]

I think what changed my mind regarding the slow cars was getting a wheel. While I always liked to drive them around, the wheel completely changed the experience. It's now more fun than a borefest.

I also feel that slower cars should be driven on courses with a lot of corners, and little-no straight.

Guess what I find the best to learn/practice shifting with the H-pattern? The Kubelwagen, since it goes through the gears quick enough, does not require you to worry about braking for corners, and allows you to start/stop multiple times per lap

 

[shirakawaa]

Yes, in GT5 there aren't many tight, twisty circuits for slow cars.
Hope this will change in GT6.

 

[interpolfan11]

No it's still dull. I think it might be better in real life but because the sense of speed isn't great in GT5 it feels like you're going in slow motion. I'm happy racing Mini's or Fiat 500s but those things are just a step too far for me. Not to mention they're awful to look at, at least a Mini, 500 or even Cappucino are decent to look at.

I agree with this statement. I like the more enthusiast-geared small cars (Cappucino, Mini, 500, Miata) and older cars (Beetle, Spider Veloce, Elan, etc.) but the econoboxes are simply unnecessary.

 

[diegorborges]

They are essential to any GT game. It's part of the game DNA.

Well, there's always other games with a strict more sports-supercar oriented selection for those who doesn't like the small cars. And you can choose what you drive. So, give me econo chipboxes and whatever I can have.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

YES! I love some of the small cars in GT5.

 

[JohnBM01]

Absolutely they have a place in Gran Turismo 6. Don't tell me that they don't belong just because they are slow compared to sports cars and such. Part of Gran Turismo's allure is in being able to take an everyday driver and turn it into a full-blown racing beast if you really want to do so. To me, it is about finding speed and winning races with various kinds of cars; and in regards to economy cars and small cars, they are no different from racing proper sports cars or high-end race cars.

I've always seen cars in games not so much about always having the fastest-possible machines, but more along the lines of diversity. Let's face it- wouldn't it be boring to have hundreds of cars... but only have the fastest and most capable cars as opposed to a decent blend of everyday cars and sports cars and racing machines? So they definitely have a place in GT6 even if you don't like these specific cars.

 

[avens]

Absolutely they have a place in Gran Turismo 6. Don't tell me that they don't belong just because they are slow compared to sports cars and such. Part of Gran Turismo's allure is in being able to take an everyday driver and turn it into a full-blown racing beast if you really want to do so. To me, it is about finding speed and winning races with various kinds of cars; and in regards to economy cars and small cars, they are no different from racing proper sports cars or high-end race cars.

I've always seen cars in games not so much about always having the fastest-possible machines, but more along the lines of diversity. Let's face it- wouldn't it be boring to have hundreds of cars... but only have the fastest and most capable cars as opposed to a decent blend of everyday cars and sports cars and racing machines? So they definitely have a place in GT6 even if you don't like these specific cars.

Not the greatest question to ask when gt5 has a severe lack of sport and super cars, and current cars in general. In that context I'd pick the first one.

I don't think anyone prefers PD modelling the latest nissan micra instead of the pagani huayra. It's not like people were asking in DLC threads "we demand the citroen C1 !1!!!", but the absolute opposite. Or a single person that wants the lada the brand over Porsche.

 

[NCRthree]

Hopefully we'll get Smart Cars!! No really, I'd like to see how they drive.

 

[analog]

Not the greatest question to ask when gt5 has a severe lack of sport and super cars, and current cars in general. In that context I'd pick the first one.

I agree on current cars but if we take the Premium selection (which are after all the cars recently added and here to stay for a while) then I'd think the balance is biased more towards sports and supercars than the cars we're talking about right now.
And balance is key here to get variety and diversity, I think the argument often used to pick between a 'mediocre' everyday car and the latest supercars (like your Micra vs Huayra) is a false one since they'll include a lot of different types or classes of cars and have been doing so since the first GT.

It's like going to a regular supermarket and suddenly complain they also stock cheap (but quite tasty) own-brand stuff when you're only after the high end products even when you always went there and have known it for ages.

 

[avens]

I agree on current cars but if we take the Premium selection (which are after all the cars recently added and here to stay for a while) then I'd think the balance is biased more towards sports and supercars than the cars we're talking about right now.
And balance is key here to get variety and diversity, I think the argument often used to pick between a 'mediocre' everyday car and the latest supercars (like your Micra vs Huayra) is a false one since they'll include a lot of different types or classes of cars and have been doing so since the first GT.

It's like going to a regular supermarket and suddenly complain they also stock cheap (but quite tasty) own-brand stuff when you're only after the high end products even when you always went there and have known it for ages.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=172499

/discussion

 

[analog]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=172499

/discussion

And your point being?

 

[avens]

everyone wants sports cars, not daily drivers. Absolutely 0 balance.

 

[Brunol]

I think most of the fun out of GT5 comes from the ability to judge a car, and you are able to do it only because they are so much different.
Such heterogeneity is the key for who, like most of us, love cars.
An "econobox" is just as out of character in a race track as any pick-up truck or family saloon, and I don't see anybody complaining about them.
Additionally, it allows you to drive your evey day car like a madman and this is a lot of fun! This is why I bought the game in the first place, to drive a normal, everyday car, and it's what the other games didn't have until GT arrive.
I agree there are too many K-cars and that most of them are almost identical, therefore almost useless, but it would be silly to simply cut them all off.
If you don't want cheap/slow cars just don't choose them or, like it's been already said, play The Need for Speed.

 

[counter345]

everyone wants sports cars, not daily drivers.

I'd like to question the legitimacy in this claim, as, in this thread, it seems there are several people who do NOT want the small cars to disappear from GT6.

And to add to that, the small cars aren't going to be disappearing anyway, mainly because it adds more variety to GT6, but also due to Kaz's appeal of them.

Edit 2: if anything, this thread is proof of how the smaller cars are valuable to the game and the community.

 

[avens]

I'd like to question the legitimacy in this claim, as, in this thread, it seems there are several people who do NOT want the small cars to disappear from GT6.

The linked thread is just 1 out of easily 10 huge ones, that are 1000x more representative than this thread.

People just prefer cars that are desirable in real life, and modelling the Nissan Leaf takes the same resources and time as the Veyron. It's an unavoidable choice.

 

[Quakebass]

If an actual (fake or not) race series is made for them, than yes. Though I'd rather it be something like the TC Prius kind of race - that'd make it more exciting. It's then still high octane, but also about choosing the best racing style to save the most amount of fuel. I don't think I could do an endurance race with stock Priuses and Elements, it's simply too slow, even for my normally high patience.

 

[analog]

everyone wants sports cars, not daily drivers. Absolutely 0 balance.

The linked thread is just 1 out of easily 10 huge ones, that are 1000x more representative than this thread.

People just prefer cars that are desirable in real life, and modelling the Nissan Leaf takes the same resources and time as the Veyron. It's an unavoidable choice.

Representing who? The 'majority'? Obviously you don't tell me anything new when linking me to a wishlist, it's just a wish list which almost inherently seems to favour high-performance cars over anything else and only represents those who post there, nothing more.

Most players expect a GT-game to offer a wide range of cars, and accept there'll be some they don't care for, that's a small price to pay for overall variety and not just offering the same thing over and over again.
People don't just want cars they desire in real life, they want whatever is fun to drive and which offer fun for different reasons (not just speed).
What's more, you seem to forget that these everyday cars are taken out of their everyday context when included in a videogame.

And yes, obviously building a Leaf takes the same resources as a Veyron which again is the false argument I mentioned before, I'd also rather have a Premium Veyron to be honest, that doesn't mean I don't expect or at least accept a car like the Leaf also being a logical inclusion within the context of a GT-game.
I don't doubt we'll get a Premium Veyron in GT6 as well as a lot of other nice supercars and racecars, alongside a lot of humdrum stuff like the Leaf.
That they first decided to include a Leaf might perhaps suggest what I previously mentioned about the current Premium balance already being biased towards supercars.

 

[avens]

Where's your proof. I already gave you mine, and as you know there are lots of other wishlist threads.

 

[analog]

Where's your proof. I already gave you mine, and as you know there are lots of other wishlist threads.

Need proof for whatever reason (after not providing a relevant one yourself)?

https://www.gtplanet.net/library/

Look at the car lists, GT-games sold pretty well so far to the same majority.

 

[pvtlapdance]

The econoboxes absolutely have their place. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who has never played GT before and they decide to just pick up the game one day and play. Throw them into a FR super car and what's gonna happen: they won't make around turn 1, get frustrated and tell the whole world how GT sucks.

They need the slow cars to learn to drive and to build up to the beasts. Simply just from a marketing standpoint, the econoboxes need to be in GT

 

[avens]

Need proof for whatever reason (after not providing a relevant one yourself)?

https://www.gtplanet.net/library/

Look at the car lists, GT-games sold pretty well so far to the same majority.

That's not a wishlist (what people want these days) therefore unrelated. And you know Kei cars aren't the reason why the GT series was massively successful, but lots others that aren't even about the specific cars featured on them.

If you want to go for that route I could show you how Forza4 destroyed GT5 in metascore and that out of nowhere that franchise became a serious contender. Or the fact that everyone prefers Forza4's DLC over GT5's.

Do you really think PD should focus on modelling the nissan micra instead of a premium veyron or other super car? It's a compromise, as resources are finite. If you want "variety" (daily drivers) that means not modelling desirable super cars instead.