POLL: How may I treat you?

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I would LIKE to be -

  • UNDERSTOOD

    Votes: 14 17.7%
  • ADMIRED

    Votes: 5 6.3%
  • RESPECTED

    Votes: 45 57.0%
  • FEARED

    Votes: 7 8.9%
  • OTHER (Please explain)

    Votes: 8 10.1%

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"Yo! Hi! Hello! How?"


The upraised palm is a fairly ancient and universal greeting: as in "How? How are you? We come in Peace!" . . . and so on.

Nowadays, it's kind of evolved into "Talk to the Hand!" - the ultimate indifference.
No one likes to be ignored, or worse treated disrespectfully. It's nice to be admired, to be respected, to be understood.

Thinking everybody wanted to be treated the same way, I asked this question of my RL community, and got some surprising answers.
I wonder - how would you like to be treated? Think about this a bit before you vote; however, discussion is always welcome - that's what the topic is for.
 
Other
It depends who you are. If you are a friend or family I want to be respected and possibly admired. To people I don't know, but meet on a regular basis, I like it if they get me wrong. I like it if they have a completely false impression of me. 'Maybe' because it gives me a sense of superiority (just being honest about why, not that I am superior).
Strangers who I meet once or whatever I couldn't care less what they think. It doesn't even occur to me to think, what they think about me. To me strangers are irrelevent, and so is what they think of me.
 
I say Respected.

Now I know most people say "Respect is something you earn" but in the same sense you should have a certain amount of respect for a stranger regardless. Respect should not start at zero and be earned all the way, respect should start at 50 and improve to 100 (true trusted friend). I think the issue with today is far too many people do not respect the general population enough. I'm not saying they are your bestest buddy, but they should command a certain level until proven otherwise.
 
I say Respected.

Now I know most people say "Respect is something you earn" but in the same sense you should have a certain amount of respect for a stranger regardless. Respect should not start at zero and be earned all the way, respect should start at 50 and improve to 100 (true trusted friend). I think the issue with today is far too many people do not respect the general population enough. I'm not saying they are your bestest buddy, but they should command a certain level until proven otherwise.

I know what you mean and it's not that I think you are wrong but I prefer to put it like this.
You have to earn real respect. If you don't know them how can you respect them? When you meet a person for the first time you should 'show' respect in that you are polite and courteous, but real respect has to be earned.
That's how I define it anyway.
:)
 
I agree to a certain extent, but you also have the point that they have done nothing to earn your "disrespect".

Again it should be on that scale of 0 - 100. A stranger starts at 50, not zero.

So many issues are caused because people just don't respect one another.
 
I agree to a certain extent, but you also have the point that they have done nothing to earn your "disrespect".

Again it should be on that scale of 0 - 100. A stranger starts at 50, not zero.

So many issues are caused because people just don't respect one another.
Not respecting somebody is not the same as being disrespectful. You can be totally indifferent to a person, not showing respect or disrespect. Just being polite.
 
Being polite without showing respect is fake?

Anybody who is half decent at reading people will see straight through it?

Though maybe we see things different here?
 
Being polite without showing respect is fake?
No, it is just being polite. If I meet somebody for the first time. I don't know if they are a murderer, a thief, a nurse a vicar or a a racing car driver. How can you respect somebody until you know something about them? They could be the worst person in the world.
 
You respect them regardless. Once you find out more about them, then your respect level of them can go up or down. It's common courtesy. Why would you treat someone you don't even know like 🤬?
 
You respect them regardless. Once you find out more about them, then your respect level of them can go up or down. It's common courtesy. Why would you treat someone you don't even know like 🤬?
Why would you treat them like 🤬
Why wouldn't you just be polite and courteous. It's basic manners.
I ask again, how can you respect someone if you don't know anything about them. What are you respecting them for?
 
Why would you treat them like 🤬
Why wouldn't you just be polite and courteous. It's basic manners.
I ask again, how can you respect someone if you don't know anything about them. What are you respecting them for?

I think that's the respect that Dion was talking about before: The "50/100".

 
I went for admired, but then again I'd also like to be understood and respected, I'd rather not have people fear me.
 
I'm probably going to go with "other" mainly because there isn't a "more than one of these" choice. Fear, understanding, respect, admiration... they can all fall under one blanket word called "trust". It's not a bad thing to fear someone, nor is it bad to be feared. There is a difference between "is he going to hurt/fire/leave me" and "he wouldn't, but he's capable".

Maybe my view is askew today, I'm kind of cynical after the last 6 hours of research for a paper on human population increase and what I would to to stop/slow it. :devil's advocate:
 
I used to live off peoples fear of me, as I looked intimidating. Now I just like to be shown respect.
 
Respect is the most basic and fundamental need for every person. Without it, it's hard to root yourself in this world. You can live in a world where you are hated or loved. But you can't live in a world where you aren't respected.
 
Not sure if respect is the right word for this. It should be standard to be 'nice' to begin with because no one can judge, but there always will be judging. Just try not to offend some one.

I have absolutely no respect for some people, but I'm nice to them because not accepting them would make it worse.
 
I voted for 'other' because I feel it is important for people to treat me as an equal, the same way I would treat them, whatever that may involve.
 
Isn't that 'respect'?

For instance I work with the Police quite often - I don't have to understand them or their procedures, I don't have to admire them, I don't fear them - but I sure am respectful to what they stand for. And they respect me, too, being quite polite, while harassing me about some surveillance data they need from cameras installed in the building whose equipment I oversee.

Most people also respect their teachers, instructors or mentors. Successful couples, I've noticed, respect each other, more than admire or understand each other.
In my RL Poll, over 75% of the people I asked said 'respect'. But some did opt for Fear, or admiration. Only one wanted to be understood -in fact one of the more 'lonelier' folk. I must have asked this question of more than 25 people - and still going.

So WHAT really is 'Respect'? However much we like to be understood or admired - respect always took priority.

What if we took this poll of World leaders? Who would want to be feared, and who respected?

And, really, who, admired?
 
I would rather be understood because I feel just because you respect me, choice, or whatever doesn't mean you understand.

Now I think with being understood, you will be respected to a degree. Someone doesn't have to agree with it but I think if you can gain the knowledge then its easier with communication.
 
I would like to be 'blindfolded'.

I think I might have misunderstood the question. :indiff:
 
I picked admired because admiration is sort of an advanced form or respect, so to speak. To admire someone you should also have great respect for them.
 
I went for respected.

A prime example of people not showing me respect is when they constantly tell me of how much Ken Block is a 'douchebag'. I hate Alonso, but I won't keep telling a fan he's a complete idiot everytime they mention him. I hate Jorge Lorenzo, but I won't keep telling a fan he's childish everytime they mention him. I respect whoever you support. Granted, I might despise the person you support to hell, but I won't keep telling you how much they're an idiot and they can't race everytime you mention them.

Why is too hard for people to accept that one person may like someone that they don't like? People treat me as if I don't know anything about WRC just because I'm a big fan of someone who isn't a top 3 driver. I've been watching the WRC since I was knee-height.

I support someone you don't like. Get over it.
 
I went for respected.

A prime example of people not showing me respect is when they constantly tell me of how much Ken Block is a 'douchebag'. I hate Alonso, but I won't keep telling a fan he's a complete idiot everytime they mention him. I hate Jorge Lorenzo, but I won't keep telling a fan he's childish everytime they mention him. I respect whoever you support. Granted, I might despise the person you support to hell, but I won't keep telling you how much they're an idiot and they can't race everytime you mention them.

Why is too hard for people to accept that one person may like someone that they don't like? People treat me as if I don't know anything about WRC just because I'm a big fan of someone who isn't a top 3 driver. I've been watching the WRC since I was knee-height.

I support someone you don't like. Get over it.

I find that's the same with musical tastes, every time I mention Metallica or Black Sabbath I get someone shouting "Aw they're crap!"
I don't get all hoity toity every time they mention Skrillex so what's their problem... okay I say everytime I mean 99%... 95... 90, I'll shut up now :lol:
 
I would like to be 'blindfolded'.

I think I might have misunderstood the question. :indiff:

More than being respected, admired or feared, it is important for me to be understood. However - that doesn't happen too often. IRL - people who know me for any length of time have told me at one time or another that it is extremely difficult to second-guess me. I try to be as transparent as possible - yet I will hear - "OMG - is that what you meant?" Or "Was that your plan?"
And I would be: "Crikey, wasn't that obvious?"

It does help while playing chess, though. :)

How I treat people though - at first - is with respect. They may lose my respect later on, but that happens very rarely. Most times my respect for them turns into understanding, and sometimes even admiration.
Never fear.
 
Truly, I expected that to be the first response. :)

Now you may have wondered why I left 'love' out of this.
After all isn't it obvious that everybody wants to be loved?
Or is it?
As I have mentioned before, most polls I conduct here are conducted IRL first. And after having given my friends the same choices I have offered here, and they had picked from the four choices (I left 'other' out IRL) I would ask them: "Well wouldn't you want to be 'loved' first of all? Before anything else?"
The immediate answer would be, "But, of course, who wouldn't want to be loved?"

By your neighbor? By your boss? By your teacher?

And at that point is when we would discuss at length what it was to be 'loved'.

'Love' it seems takes many forms of expression. But not all that is expressed under the guise of 'love' may be 'love' after all. To be loved by one's child is not the same as to be loved by one's spouse. To love your teacher is not the same as loving your student. To love a videogame, or a cup of coffee, or a movie, a car, a plant, or your country . . . is not the same as loving the girl next door.

Or is it?

Is 'love' then a mixture of all these things - respect, understanding, admiration, and even a modicum of fear? Have we so lost track of the concept of love, that desire, lust, want, greed, possessiveness and even the ritual romance that precedes mating, have disguised themselves with this fancy overcoat, making overtures that have no connection at all with the concept of 'love'?

I have asked them: "If, then, to be loved is what you want most, what is love, and how are you expecting it to be shown? And if you think then that love is the greatest, how do you go about expressing it?"

Some have given me answers that were food for thought. Others are still mulling it over.. . .
 
Well, that silenced the room for awhile, and I guess we all did have some time to think it over.

But, putting 'love, understanding, and admiration' aside for the moment, let's get back to respect - it is quite obvious from the poll (still active) that the universally required treatment that people want is 'Respect'.

Is 'Respect' being interchanged with the others? Is it possibly 'Fear' we want?
Apart from being loved, respected, understood, admired . . . why would one want to be feared?

This answer IRL came from mostly younger people, and from those I had perceived as being intimidated by life in some way. To know fear gives one the knowledge of (if not the inclination) its effects and how to instil it.

And yet - at the other end of the spectrum, if I were to really ask a corporate head, or head of state, or boss of the gang, or even some rebel leader the question that carries this topic - How would you like to be perceived as? How may I treat you? - and they would in all probability say 'I would like to be feared'.
By my subordinates, by all corporations, lawmakers and all the other countries, too.
Grand plan, though somewhat like child-play.
And yet, destinies of all sorts await the hand of such.
How far away from respect is that?

In the initial discussion we sorted out what is meant to be polite, and where the default state is when one meets a stranger.
Which brings to mind the scene of one meeting a stranger for the first time.
IRL.
At what point is it at which who first makes the first move of respect and gets the train rolling - or does it matter?

Should we all, right of the bat, give someone 'the benefit of the doubt' and treat them as having the same principles of respect as we do - would that be construed as weakness?
Or snobbishness?
Or even disrespect - if I were to ask the Pope for respect would that be impertinent? Or Obama? Or Putin?

So what then truly is respect that most members are voting for?
Starting at this median point that allows us to approach strangers and interact with them, putting aside all programmed prejudices - fears, want of love and admiration and other things important that may be a factor in how one would be treated - putting aside all those - how does one express, and require of another, respect?
How would, or should, they treat each other to get this respect train rolling?

Factoring personal programming, cultural prejudices, intellectual snobbery, expertise addiction, existential anxiety, the adaptive unconscious, analysis paralysis, social insecurities, fears, and other 'personality-shadings' - if we factor those in ourselves, and factor that the other person is also riddled with such perspectives - then meeting each other for the first time at that median point is crucial for the development of mutual respect that leads to understanding, and from there to love and admiration.

Yeah? :)

Now take that and apply it to Virtual Reality.
Where you are right now, perceiving me.
How much of yourself are you seeing?
Maybe even parts of yourself that you dislike - and so seeing it in me dislike me. Naturally.
Well, that can get in the way of respect, wouldn't it?

It is easy IRL to express stuff. We can do that with a smile, a nod, a bow, or a high-five.
In Virtual Reality - we walk in a fog.

Respect is hard to give, hard to perceive and receive. We work for it with words, 'tones'. and smilies (smillies, smylies, smileys . . . )

The careful use of smilies - and how they're perceived by others - is extremely important in conveying 'manner' or 'tone' or attitude of the person who lives in the Virtual Reality of a Forum Community.

Now back to the poll.

And of course your thoughts on these matters - paid with respect - will be repaid with respect.
 
To answer the original question, I went for Understood. It's not my right to expect you to judge my actions in accordance with how I do, and therefore how I think I should be seen - your judgement is down to you, however I would like you to have accurately understood my postion/reason/influence before making that judgement.
 
Other; a mix of understood and respected. I'm quite different to what a lot of people find normal, and I respect immensely the people who understand me and respect me for who I am.
 

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