[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

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The party nominees are named. Now who do you support?

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This is such a joke of a debate: constant interruptions from Trump and an audience that is applauding when they're not supposed to.
 
Trump is Failing badly from his advantageous position on getting at Hillary, whilst Hillary is making him look stupid even though she no material from failing soo bad.
 
I turned on the debates briefly and saw Hillary Clinton saying something about cyber security. I still can't believe out of 300 million people this is who we came up with. I think Monday Night Football might be more interesting than this.
 
Joey D
I turned on the debates briefly and saw Hillary Clinton saying something about cyber security. I still can't believe out of 300 million people this is who we came up with. I think Monday Night Football might be more interesting than this.
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It is! The Falcons are winning!! :D
 
The combination of Trump's rambling where you thought you might not live to see him reach his point, usually followed by Clinton's "look smug while giving self-congratulatory, pithy one-liners" dismissal routine was a pretty impressive kind of insufferable....... :yuck:
 
Clinton's one liners where really cringey, and the only time Hillary gets specific in the entire debate is when it's about Trumps business.
 
mustafur
Trump Lost the debate it's pretty obvious.
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But he didn't lose by anywhere near as much as he probably should have. I'd say it say it was probably neck and neck until the Middle East stuff made it was clear he was out of his element in the whole thing; and even then she squandered some of that when the NATO stuff came up after that.



She needs to stop trading digs with him and acting like being a self-satisfied smartass is some impressive feat of wit in and of itself.
 
I would give Trade to Trump easily it was basically a smackdown, once it came to Trumps tax returns and crime he started to fall apart and then he was just dribbling for the rest.

Hillary definitely could of laid the smackdown by that point but failed trying to make her one liners a thing, so really it just ended up being Trump defeating himself.
 
All fluff and no substance from either of them, especially on the economy, trump was better I guess, but we've heard all of the same talk before. How are you going to create more jobs, what are your ideas for renegotiating trade deals, the fed is too political with interest rates, ok, so what would you recommend? What NEW ideas do you have? The same goes for hillary. Rather than picking each other apart for an hour attacking each other's character flaws, how about offering the American people, the sinking middle class, and those that have fallen below the poverty line some hope?
 
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Trump does best when he doesn't talk about himself. Hillary does best when she talks about Trump.

He's got his work cut out for him.
 
Here is the "proof" that Donald Trump supported the invasion of Iraq.



It sounds to me like he hadn't given it much thought yet. At the time he wasn't a government strategist, he was a New York City businessman trying to stay in business after 9/11. And if you recall, at the time the government, both Republicans and Democrats, were hyping the country up for war.
 
mustafur
Clinton's one liners where really cringey
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She's clearly been taking lessons from Bill Shorten. The adjudicator needed a button to press to flash "ZINGER!" on the screen accompanied by the sound effect of a lion roaring every time she did it.
 
Chrunch Houston
Here is the "proof" that Donald Trump supported the invasion of Iraq.



It sounds to me like he hadn't given it much thought yet. At the time he wasn't a government strategist, he was a New York City businessman trying to stay in business after 9/11. And if you recall, at the time the government, both Republicans and Democrats, were hyping the country up for war.
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His ace in the hole, which I think he fails to capitalize on well, is that he was a private citizen advocating for his own personal wealth, the wealth of his family and his companies. You don't necessarily make the same decisions as a private citizen that you would as President and, if handled properly, it's a get out of jail free card for just about anything he said or did outside of a presidential campaign. Not paying taxes, declaring bankruptcy etc. are all legal activities any smart person is going to take advantage of when it's in their best interest. Most people don't volunteer to pay more taxes than they are minimally required to and most won't go down with a sinking ship if they can avoid it.
 
Johnnypenso
His ace in the hole, which I think he fails to capitalize on well, is that he was a private citizen advocating for his own personal wealth, the wealth of his family and his companies.
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Except that that's exactly what Clinton hammered him on - she suggested that he was advocating tax cuts for the rich because he would benefit from it, not because it was in the interests of the country.
 
One thing I'm still stuck on is when Hilary brought up nuclear non-proliferation being a hot button issue, and then name dropped Japan and South Korea potentially getting nuclear weapons, and I was like "so" and "why are those two the same thing as Saudi Arabia"? I don't get what she is going for.
 
prisonermonkeys
Except that that's exactly what Clinton hammered him on - she suggested that he was advocating tax cuts for the rich because he would benefit from it, not because it was in the interests of the country.
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She can suggest anything she wants but it's a little contradictory to suggest one minute that he isn't releasing his tax returns because he pays no tax and then to suggest he wants to cut taxes because he will benefit from it don't you think?
 
Johnnypenso
She can suggest anything she wants but it's a little contradictory to suggest one minute that he isn't releasing his tax returns because he pays no tax and then to suggest he wants to cut taxes because he will benefit from it don't you think?
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Oh, I totally agree that it's contradictory. However, that's not what she said. She suggested that Trump hadn't released his tax returns because a) he didn't want people to know that he's not as rich as he says he is, b) he didn't want people to know how much debt he has, and c) he didn't want people to know how much tax he avoids paying.

There's a big difference between arguing for corporate tax cuts and engaging in corporate tax avoidance.
 
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Oh, I totally agree that it's contradictory. However, that's not what she said. She suggested that Trump hadn't released his tax returns because a) he didn't want people to know that he's not as rich as he says he is, b) he didn't want people to know how much debt he has, and c) he didn't want people to know how much tax he avoids paying.

There's a big difference between arguing for corporate tax cuts and engaging in corporate tax avoidance.
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A and C sound about right, B doesn't make a ton of sense, cause it wont reveal his debt or at least not in a measure you think. I mean sure it could be calculated out of the revenue made compared to his expenses as well as his assets in comparison to the expenses as well I imagine. I doubt you'd ever get a full idea of his debt from tax returns, you'd need bank statements to give that.
 
What is this. Both president catfighting each other?

This election has became a punchline really. Definitely not kind of thing i would expect from a developed country. Embarrassing.
 
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A and C sound about right, B doesn't make a ton of sense, cause it wont reveal his debt or at least not in a measure you think.
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I think that it's more about planting a seed of doubt; the implication is that if Trump is covering up his personal debt, how can he manage the economy given that all of his talk on the economy was about reducing debt and deficit.
 
FrzGT
What is this. Both president catfighting each other?

This election has became a punchline really. Definitely not kind of thing i would expect from a developed country. Embarrassing.
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Guessing you haven't seen too many elections...

prisonermonkeys
I think that it's more about planting a seed of doubt; the implication is that if Trump is covering up his personal debt, how can he manage the economy given that all of his talk on the economy was about reducing debt and deficit.
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yes but in the U.S. your tax returns aren't going to show the debt incurred by how many cars you still owe on for example. So why you'd think people would see it as American voters otherwise is strange to me. Seems like a grasp at straws against someone you dislike rather than just expanding on the two valid points you did make. People are unsure about Trumps actual financial standing because of his bankruptcies, not because he didn't give his tax return info out.

Rather the lack of the tax info suggests as you put it and as I doubted a certain user on here yesterday in regards to it. It'd be quite the slap in the face to say this is how we fix those pesky tax dodgers while he himself is one. And I feel Trump is one as much as any other. Why someone people get the notion (not you) that he's an honest business man through and through is as questionable as the left thinking Hilary will go a term in office without a major scandal due to her chronic lying.

But hey you dig your grave, you sleep in it, and that's to anyone voting for these two.
 
Cnbc poll is showing a trump win in the debate with a 660K vote tally. The western media is mostly saying he lost just like the bash him most days of the week. Its usually a small panel of judges but remember the populace is not a small rich progressive panel from manhatten or LA.

I sat through the entire 90min and I though he did ok. Having watched the gop primaries debates I though it was one of trumps better runs. Trump is used to not saying much and kinda standing off a bit and the big pack of gop runners suited that strategy. One on one is a question mark. If media included johnson and Jill to the debate that might help Trump but our media and debate promoters, hosts blacks out third parties with occasional mention as a token.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/vote-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate.html
 
Rich S
Cnbc poll is showing a trump win in the debate with a 660K vote tally. The western media is mostly saying he lost just like the bash him most days of the week. Its usually a small panel of judges but remember the populace is not a small rich progressive panel from manhatten or LA.

I sat through the entire 90min and I though he did ok. Having watched the gop primaries debates I though it was one of trumps better runs. Trump is used to not saying much and kinda standing off a bit and the big pack of gop runners suited that strategy. One on one is a question mark. If media included johnson and Jill to the debate that might help Trump but our media and debate promoters, hosts blacks out third parties with occasional mention as a token.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/vote-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate.html
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Time magazine says it's polled 1.3 million and gave a 52% win to Trump as well. I can't find it right now, but I believe CBS & Slate also gave slight edges to Trump as well.

Meanwhile, CNN claims Clinton won 62% to Trump's 27%. What they reveal however, is they only polled 521 people, with 41% registered as Democrats, 33% as Independents, & 26% as Republicans....
 
Rich S
Cnbc poll is showing a trump win in the debate with a 660K vote tally. The western media is mostly saying he lost just like the bash him most days of the week. Its usually a small panel of judges but remember the populace is not a small rich progressive panel from manhatten or LA.

I sat through the entire 90min and I though he did ok. Having watched the gop primaries debates I though it was one of trumps better runs. Trump is used to not saying much and kinda standing off a bit and the big pack of gop runners suited that strategy. One on one is a question mark. If media included johnson and Jill to the debate that might help Trump but our media and debate promoters, hosts blacks out third parties with occasional mention as a token.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/vote-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate.html
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That CNBC poll seems to show Trump won by a ratio of 65/35. That's pretty shocking.
 
Rich S
The western media is mostly saying he lost just like the bash him most days of the week.
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It's the nature of debates that both sides will come out declaring victory since their preferred candidate will say more of the same. You're only really going to get a seismic shift against a candidate if they really make a mess of it - like Dukakis' response to the death penalty question in the debate against Reagan. Since neither candidate made a mess, both sides will declare victory.

The biggest indicator of the result is the currency market. The value of the Mexican peso remained steady; if anything it increased. If Trump had been the decisive victor, the value of the peso would likely have fallen given his policy on immigration. In fact, most of the Western currencies gained when they were tipped to fall in the event of a Trump victory because his economic policies are regarded as protectionist and therefore consumers in those countries would lack confidence in the markets if he won.
 
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