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BlazinXtreme
No the UAW as in United Auto Workers, or as us engineers say U Ain't Working. I can't stand these people, they get paid up to $50 per hour depending on seniority. They can work on Sunday's getting paid double time. They can skip work and not get in trouble. I can't tell them to do something that needs to be done, I can't touch and that means rest my hand on any tool in the work area. I will get a report filed against me and I get yelled at by a Union guy, I end up yelling back and my boss tells me "welcome to hell".
I can't tell you how many times I've had to work late because some union guy didn't get what he was supposed to done...and I get in trouble.
The UAW is the reason you pay so much for an American car and the reason why they feel cheap. Welcome to the semi-working world of laziness. The CAW (canadian auto worker) are better from the times I've worked with them. Not as lazy.

So the UAW is the Union then? If it is, that's what I asked before.

Wow, those guys suck. There should be some sort of new rule saying you have to produce so many things in a given time fram or you're fired regardless of seniority/union, or at least a suspension without pay. And to think, this was happening way back in the '30's, too.
 
If they were Japanese workers, they'd work really well as a group and just do their job. Hence the quality of Japanese cars...

The reason Aston Martins are so good is that anyone would be motivated in that factory!! HEHE! I don't know if its just the union thing making the cars lesser quality, I'm sure they've got unions in Germany...
 
Well they can still have a union if they want I guess, but they really need to revamp it. These guys think they are treated like crap when they aren't, they abuse their powers which makes it a living hell for engineers to get anything done. They should have to meet certian deadlines and if they don't they should be punished. I can't tell you how many times a UAW worker has been late on something with no punishment, when I'm late on something my job is in jepordy. It doesn't make sense to me.

If they were Japanese workers, they'd work really well as a group and just do their job. Hence the quality of Japanese cars...

How would you explain the Honda Civic? It's built in Ohio...*shutters* Ohio...by American and they do just fine. It's the mentality of the UAW that sucks, not the fact that they aren't all Asian. And by the way Japanese is a racist slur and shouldn't be used.

The reason Aston Martins are so good is that anyone would be motivated in that factory!! HEHE! I don't know if its just the union thing making the cars lesser quality, I'm sure they've got unions in Germany...

Aston Maritns and good? Uh sure. Yes it is the union, like I said Honda, Toyota, Nissan all build cars in American with little problems and they have no union to my knowledge.
 
We Aussies love our cars, and you yanks love your cars. There is know way you can change a person point of view, it's like saying our football (AFL) is better than your football (Gridiron).

I personaly prefer Aussie cars, but I think the Viper & Corvette are some of the best muscle cars out there...pity there so expensive!!
 
How would you explain the Honda Civic? It's built in Ohio...*shutters* Ohio...by American and they do just fine.

This could be a few reasons...

1. The civic is just a better designed car and/or the Honda plant just has better management?
2. The culture at your workplace just sucks. Yelling at workers (regardless of provocation) isn't going to fix this, but it will worsen it considerably. Way to go!
I'm not saying the union workers aren't hella lazy btw, just there might be more productive ways of motivating them (ie treat them with respect, and they will respect you?).

It's the mentality of the UAW that sucks, not the fact that they aren't all Asian.
Its well known that Asians work really hard. They have 1 week holidays per anum in Japan, and no one ever takes them because they're worried about looking slack! They're crazy! Its definately a telling factor of why Japanese products are of such high quality (tvs, cars, everything!). Its a known cultural difference. Anyway I was originally reffering to Japanese cars that ARE built in Japan, therefore this cultural difference is valid. You changed the premise of my point as an excuse to whinge about the UAW some more.

And by the way Japanese is a racist slur and shouldn't be used.
You guys still feel bad about the whole nuclear bomb thing? LOL!!
I have Japanese mates in Australia, and they would just laugh at your trite political correctness... relax dude! its not really an offensive term anymore if said with obvious respect, like I did.

Aston Maritns and good? Uh sure. Yes it is the union, like I said Honda, Toyota, Nissan all build cars in American with little problems and they have no union to my knowledge.
This is kinda like someone exclaiming "chocolate isn't good!" without ever tasting it. The modern Astons are pure sex, especially the DB9. This will be corroborated by anyone other than yourself.

Maybe Honda, Toyota, Nissan etc know not to piss off their workforce so much? All these manufacturers would more than likely be unionised, they're working in the same climate and country as GM. Either way, its ultimately GM's fault if their cars are lousy. It takes two to tango, and going into work everyday to get yelled at isn't the best incentive to love your job, or give a damn. Just a thought.

P.S.
ctually Mazda is mostly owned by Ford Motor Company and there stock is less the 10 bucks right now while GM's is around 32. So GM has more "stock". I guess that's what you are trying to say.
Congrats on your first joke! Seriously I laughed WITH you for the first time.
 
This could be a few reasons...

1. The civic is just a better designed car and/or the Honda plant just has better management?
2. The culture at your workplace just sucks. Yelling at workers (regardless of provocation) isn't going to fix this, but it will worsen it considerably. Way to go!
I'm not saying the union workers aren't hella lazy btw, just there might be more productive ways of motivating them (ie treat them with respect, and they will respect you?).

Well Honda isn't part of the UAW so I'm going to say that is why they tend to be better. Things can actually get done at these place rather then lazy ass workers who do nothing and get paid an arm and a leg. You know what would motovate them? Firing them when they don't do there job, but since you can't fire a UAW guy thing the big three are stuck. I doubt they will continue to hire UAW workers.

Are all UAW workers bad? No I can't say that they are, I have found some (maybe 2) that actually don't complain about there job, they do there work, and they don't mind if my hand lands on a hammer. But the guys who skip work, back talk me when I ask them to do something for me, damage muti-million dollar parts, or even just lay around and sleep, it all pisses me off and they should be fired.

So to directly answer you...

1. The civic is just a better designed car and/or the Honda plant just has better management?

Yes better managemend due to lack of UAW control, this equals higher quality work.

2. The culture at your workplace just sucks. Yelling at workers (regardless of provocation) isn't going to fix this, but it will worsen it considerably. Way to go!
I'm not saying the union workers aren't hella lazy btw, just there might be more productive ways of motivating them (ie treat them with respect, and they will respect you?).

Actually our work ethic is great in most places, white collar at least. I can't say for every company though. Yelling is what happens in the work place, we are all still human. And motovation would be firing people for gross incompedence.

Its well known that Asians work really hard. They have 1 week holidays per anum in Japan, and no one ever takes them because they're worried about looking slack! They're crazy! Its definately a telling factor of why Japanese products are of such high quality (tvs, cars, everything!). Its a known cultural difference. Anyway I was originally reffering to Japanese cars that ARE built in Japan, therefore this cultural difference is valid. You changed the premise of my point as an excuse to whinge about the UAW some more.

So you sterotype Asians now? Way to go 👍! I guess while you are at it, all Asians are smart, all Indians are doctors, all Middle Easterners own gas stations, etc. You can't generalize people like that. And you know how many Japanese cars are actually built in Japan?...Actually wait that might not be so vaild. I should say the Japanese cars we get in America are typically built in North America, I can't say for the rest of the world.

You guys still feel bad about the whole nuclear bomb thing? LOL!!
I have Japanese mates in Australia, and they would just laugh at your trite political correctness... relax dude! its not really an offensive term anymore if said with obvious respect, like I did.

Why would I feel bad about bombing a coutry 60 years ago? And I'm very unpolitically corerect but on these boards you have to be since you don't know who is what. People have found it offensive in the past, I don't care but others might. Plus you don't really need to use racial slurs anyways.

This is kinda like someone exclaiming "chocolate isn't good!" without ever tasting it. The modern Astons are pure sex, especially the DB9. This will be corroborated by anyone other than yourself.

Maybe Honda, Toyota, Nissan etc know not to piss off their workforce so much? All these manufacturers would more than likely be unionised, they're working in the same climate and country as GM. Either way, its ultimately GM's fault if their cars are lousy. It takes two to tango, and going into work everyday to get yelled at isn't the best incentive to love your job, or give a damn. Just a thought.

You can have your opinions about Aston Martin, but you do realize they are owned by Ford Motor Company right?

And I wouldn't have to yell at worker if they just did there job now would I? I mean if they came to work on time, worked there 8 hours, and went home I wouldn't have a problem with them. Just the fact they are grossly overpaid and lazy is the problem.

I don't think you even understand the UAW, in fact unless you've worked with them you won't understand.
 
All I'll say about the UAW, is that they must have a LOT more power than any Aussie union. Unions tend not to have much power in Australia. They used to in the past however. I still wouldn't yell at them, it just garauntees that the worker in question will NEVER respect you in the future (and thus not do any work). This is even more important as these guys apparently can't be sacked... I would still tell them off, but a lower volume voice and a stern but not emotive delivery will do wonders. Try it out.
I find it very hard to believe there is absolutely no avenue available to fire a worker who is totally hopeless and just sleeps all day. Good luck.

So you sterotype Asians now? Way to go ! I guess while you are at it, all Asians are smart, all Indians are doctors, all Middle Easterners own gas stations, etc. You can't generalize people like that. And you know how many Japanese cars are actually built in Japan?...Actually wait that might not be so vaild. I should say the Japanese cars we get in America are typically built in North America, I can't say for the rest of the world.
Stereotyping is different from well researched behavioural trends amongst different cultures. I stress the culture of the workplace affects the work-ethic more than the country the workers are originally from - race isn't the issue here, its just happened that Japanese guys (on average) have a stronger work ethic, for various reasons. I never said they were smarter, or would work well without that strong work culture being around them. It is true that in Japan many workers NEVER take a day off, because the work-ethic is so strong. This is not a stereotype, it is fact.

You need to understand more about Japanese culture to see I was never sterotyping. Of course there are lazy people everywhere etc. Its just a trend. Their government actually had to FORCE Japanese bussinessmen to have a few days off so they could see their families etc. Again this obviously isn't true of all Japanese.

If you just assume in future that I don't just make crap up about differnet cultures because I feel like it, it'll save me having to reply to naive posts like this one. Australia is a very multicultural place, so it gives me a little greater understanding of the world. We are, by nature, a lot more concious of world happenings than most Americans. You only have to watch American news services compared to Australian news to get a feeling about this. Most average Americans, when approached on the street, can't find Iraq on a map, and most think we have polar bears in Australia, and that we ride kangaroos to work. You have a great country Blazin', the people are just a bit inward focused and naive about the world. If you want to take issue, realise that I do think there are LOADS of really world-aware and intelligent Americans. Also note, every other nation on Earth agrees with my position on thinking yanks have limited knowledge of many international issues, and I'm not saying every American should! I suppose you have a enough to worry about with such are large country to look after. :)

Second part...
I was referring to the cars built and sold in Japan. These are the cars I was talking about, right from the start. Obviously a car built in America isn't really Japanese, or built by the Japanese (well not for the most part). There are a lot of Japanese brands built worldwide, for instance we have local factories for Toyota and Mitsubishi, but I consider the cars built here distinctly Australian.

Why would I feel bad about bombing a coutry 60 years ago? And I'm very unpolitically corerect but on these boards you have to be since you don't know who is what. People have found it offensive in the past, I don't care but others might. Plus you don't really need to use racial slurs anyways.
I was totally joking about Hiroshima. WW2 was the last time 'Japanese' was really used as a strong racial slur. Thats why I mentioned it... just joking (I thought the "LOL!" was kinda obvious oh well.) The meaning of the word stopped being deemed offensive a LONG time ago in Australia. Its commonly used simply as an abbreviated form of the word Japanese, because Aussies are lazy with their lingo generally. It has actually become an affectionate way of referring to the Japanese - Aussies love the irony here. I hope you can understand why. I wasn't even aware the word was potentially offensive anywhere anymore. If it is, I'll respect that and not use it.
I still think your making 100 times bigger deal out of it than it warrants.
For your information, I would never knowingly use racial slurs against anyone that I knew could offend. I assume 'yank' is fine as you guys have 'yankees' written on yer baseball hats! I am shocked by common use of '******' down in the southern states of America. I find that the only really bad slur that still is prevalent in the western world.

You can have your opinions about Aston Martin, but you do realize they are owned by Ford Motor Company right?
Yes, I know. They still rock and still remain quintessentially British enough for me, in design, feel and sound for me to ignore the Ford ownership. I don't think Ford really imposes much, other than making sure Aston can't really die financially, which is great!

I'll leave the union troubles to you mate. As I said, we have unions here, but they can usually work out reasonable work practises without getting in too much of a pickle. I think Aussies are just generally too chilled-out to fight terribly much. :sly:
 
It's true. "Japanese" is not appropriate, especially in the internet discussion. However, it doesn't really bother me that much, not as much as terms like "rice" & "ricers". They annoy me a bit more. :grumpy:

P.S. I am Nihon-Jin(a Japanese :lol: )
 
All I'll say about the UAW, is that they must have a LOT more power than any Aussie union. Unions tend not to have much power in Australia. They used to in the past however. I still wouldn't yell at them, it just garauntees that the worker in question will NEVER respect you in the future (and thus not do any work). This is even more important as these guys apparently can't be sacked... I would still tell them off, but a lower volume voice and a stern but not emotive delivery will do wonders. Try it out.
I find it very hard to believe there is absolutely no avenue available to fire a worker who is totally hopeless and just sleeps all day. Good luck.

They have way to much power in the automotive industry. Trust me I've tried to be nice to them but it's just pissed me off beyond belief. I try to stay calm but I lose my cool at times.

There isn't away I know to fire a UAW worker, we caught a guy stealing car parts from the company and all he got was a slap on the wrist. He stole thousands of dollars worth of parts but not happened.

I'll cut out the comments about the countries and stuff since it's getting to far off topic. Sorry I brought it up.

Also I don't really know what else to say since we seem to be repeating ourselves.
 
BlazinXtreme
You are prejudice because you dislike Americans,...

show me one place where i say i don't like americans. anyplace, in any forum under any handle. show me one. i will confess to disdain for some of the behaviors and proclivities displayed by a good percentage of them, but dislike in general? n!gga please. :grumpy:

I'm not saying the Hummer is the best off road vehilce on the road, but I find it stupid when people say they can't go off road at all and perform bad. When in reality they perform quite well. They do through testing in the rocks of Arizona, which are pretty rough considering professional rock crawlers go out there all the time.

show me one place where i said the hummer can't go off road, and i'll eat my car. show me one. just one.

i can show you several where i've said its very capable off road, my beef with it is not its off road prowess.

try not to twist what i'm saying. in fact, try to read what i'm saying before you post a reply.



Actually Mazda is mostly owned by Ford Motor Company and there stock is less the 10 bucks right now while GM's is around 32. So GM has more "stock". I guess that's what you are trying to say.

stock doenst always refer to stock price. theres 20 something descriptions for it in dictionary.com so i wont post the variations. however my usage of it is certainly one of the more colloquial ones so its understandable if you didnt get it.

i'll just post the 22nd meaning of take stock they have listed.
take stock


1. To accept or believe (something put forth) as true: I'll take your word.
2. To follow (advice, a suggestion, or a lead, for example).
3. To accept, handle, or deal with in a particular way: He takes things in stride.
4. To consider in a particular relation or from a particular viewpoint: take the bitter with the sweet.



Sure base your whole arguement on one car, you know since that make sense.

im basing it on my experience, which makes more sense than basing it on a video you have seen.

which is more credible, the second hand recollection of someone who has "seen a video" or your own experience?



Once again I'll just refer you to the last thing I wrote.

and i'll do the same. look right above the text i just quoted.



If you say so, America has some pretty harsh environments if you ask me, but if I lived in such a thrid world area the last thing on my mind would be a car.

did anybody say america doesnt have harsh environments? coz i didnt see it anywhere.
if you lived in a third world country and needed to get somewhere far (minimum 40km), i'd love to see what you'd do. say if you needed to get to a hospital or clinic. a car would be real close to your mind.



Doubtful. There are more F-150's for sure whether they are old or new.

and you know this because you've lived outside of these borders and have seen what people drive everywhere in the world? :lol:

here's a quick informal poll for anybody who lives outside of north and central america.

how many F150s have you seen where you live and anywhere outside of north and central america?
ive started a separate thread with a poll. please post answers there and vote.

bear in mind, BX, that america is ferraris largest market, has been for decades, that california is ferraris largest US market, has been for decades.
 
Give it up, the debate is dead and you sir are a racist. Don't use racial slurs like the n word please, that is very offensive to many people.

I don't care to argue anymore. So I'll just say I'm wrong to shut you all up since you won't change my mind and I can see that I can't change yours :rolleyes:.

It's as pointless as a broken pencil. Plus you are the only one who still cares, so I suggest you take your racist comments else where for the time being. At least James was smart when he talked, sure I didn't agree with him but his points were valid on his side. I can debate someone like that, but you I just can't.

I'll provide a quick answer.

how many F150s have you seen where you live and anywhere outside of north and central america?

I see more then likely 1 out of every 10 vehicles is an F-Series of some sort. I saw a few over in Europe but that was a long time ago, I haven't traveled outside of North, Centeral, and South America in a long time.
 
To be fair to neanderthal, he went to great length to prove why he isn't a rascist, and I don't believe he is. A more realistic thing Blazin' could've called neanderthal would be a '**** stirrer'. This is a group I sometimes belong to aswell!

I am sure neanderthal just put that 'n' word in just to piss you off a bit Blazin'! I wouldn't think anyone here would actually use that word in a really bad context - it was the word I was shocked many Americans still use in the south - it got 'starred' out in my post, I definately don't condone its use, unless its clear its in a really lighthearted way, which was how neanderthal meant it. Please don't worry about anyone here ACTUALLY being a rascist, I sure none are. You need to realise how bad it is to called a rascist, people won't take it lightly!

Can we all just talk about cars now? So much for the internet bringing people together.
 
BlazinXtreme
Give it up, the debate is dead and you sir are a racist. Don't use racial slurs like the n word please, that is very offensive to many people.

people toutin' ig'nance is offensive to me. perhaps if you stop............

I don't care to argue anymore. So I'll just say I'm wrong to shut you all up since you won't change my mind and I can see that I can't change yours :rolleyes:.

It's as pointless as a broken pencil. Plus you are the only one who still cares, so I suggest you take your racist comments else where for the time being. At least James was smart when he talked, sure I didn't agree with him but his points were valid on his side. I can debate someone like that, but you I just can't.

I'll provide a quick answer.



I see more then likely 1 out of every 10 vehicles is an F-Series of some sort. I saw a few over in Europe but that was a long time ago, I haven't traveled outside of North, Centeral, and South America in a long time.

my input in this discussion isnt about changing your mind. you can keep your americentric viewpoint for all i care. its about opening your mind to a much larger world outside of this continent. and checkin yoself before you open yo mouth. i'll be very quick to say if im wrong, but you havent proved i am. and i dont think you can.

a broken pencil can still have a point.

and just to prove you dont read my posts, even though i asked you to in my last post, you answered a question i posed to people who live outside of north and central america. :dunce:


the worst part about your post is feigning indignace at my use of "n!gga" in a figure of speech. YOU know its a figure of speech. I know its a figure of speech. but instead of taking it for what it is, and probably because i effectively refuted pretty much all you had to say, you act hurt and offended and capitulate your position because i'm "a racist." how juvenile. i dont buy it. i call BS on that act.

to that i say "b!tch please!"
 
people toutin' ig'nance is offensive to me. perhaps if you stop............

Well that post made you sound errr ig'nance....whatever that maybe.

my input in this discussion isnt about changing your mind. you can keep your americentric viewpoint for all i care. its about opening your mind to a much larger world outside of this continent. and checkin yoself before you open yo mouth. i'll be very quick to say if im wrong, but you havent proved i am. and i dont think you can.

Alright sounds good to me 👍!

a broken pencil can still have a point.

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Damn I guess it can. So I should say it's as pointless as a blunt object maybe?

and just to prove you dont read my posts, even though i asked you to in my last post, you answered a question i posed to people who live outside of north and central america.

I read them, you ask me how many F-Series do I see where I live, also how many you see outside of where I live.

the worst part about your post is feigning indignace at my use of "n!gga" in a figure of speech. YOU know its a figure of speech. I know its a figure of speech. but instead of taking it for what it is, and probably because i effectively refuted pretty much all you had to say, you act hurt and offended and capitulate your position because i'm "a racist." how juvenile. i dont buy it. i call BS on that act.

to that i say "b!tch please!"

No I could careless about the arguement and I don't think you refuted all that great. But I really don't like racial slurs at all, no matter if it a figure of speech or not. One doesn't need to say these sort of things in today's society. And who are you to tell me my beliefs are wrong? You also can't use B**** on these boards either, it violates the AUP.

And on most boards you would be thought of as a troll since you have been here since 2003 and have only made 350 posts. I would suggest you stay away from heated threads until you move up from troll status. It doesn't look good. But do what you wish.

To be fair to neanderthal, he went to great length to prove why he isn't a rascist, and I don't believe he is. A more realistic thing Blazin' could've called neanderthal would be a '**** stirrer'. This is a group I sometimes belong to aswell!

I am sure neanderthal just put that 'n' word in just to piss you off a bit Blazin'! I wouldn't think anyone here would actually use that word in a really bad context - it was the word I was shocked many Americans still use in the south - it got 'starred' out in my post, I definately don't condone its use, unless its clear its in a really lighthearted way, which was how neanderthal meant it. Please don't worry about anyone here ACTUALLY being a rascist, I sure none are. You need to realise how bad it is to called a rascist, people won't take it lightly!

Can we all just talk about cars now? So much for the internet bringing people together.

Doesn't matter, he used racial slurs and I'm not cool with that. But you are right, lets get back to cars. And you just proved to me again the you aren't an idiot even though you have some out there ideas in my opinion. But lets get back on cars eh?
 
Ah, the bickering. MY DAD CAN BEAT UP YOUR DAD!! Come on now, lets all be reasonable.

I DO take offense at Hummers being bashed. I'll be the first to admit, they are not the ldeal vehicle in certain (space limited) situations. But their width was part of the army's original design criteria--that it could drive ALONG a hill without rolling--it can take MUCH steeper sideways angles than anything else out there. Its angles of ascent and descent are steeper than almost anything else out there too (and I only say almost because I don't have specific knowledge that X has a steeper angle). Is it big? Yeah, it was designed as a troop carrier. It is designed to have a machine gun mounted on it, to be refitted as an ambulance, and to get max ground clearance while doing all of this. Given what they cast, WHO'S surprised they aren't all over the outback or the African bush? Come on, people! And it isn't made by GM any more than Astons are made by Ford. If Hummers cost what Land Cruisers cost, and used ones could be had (which they can't--the army only gets rid of them when they are USED UP) for even what a NEW Toy or Patrol or whatever cost, you'd see them around. If you're bothered they're too expensive for bushmen to own, well...you've got me there. But to say they aren't out there because they aren't reliable enough or they aren't that great--I think you've missed the boat, guys.
 
How ignorant are you guys. Ford BOUGHT AM, that doesn't mean they're "Ford Quality." Any marketer in the world can see the value of keeping Ford in an ownership role at Aston. If blue ovals started appearing on them, they'd never sell until they came down tot he price of a mustang. And my point was that H1's are in the same boat as Aston.
 
skicrush
How ignorant are you guys. Ford BOUGHT AM,

Exactly. Ford builds Aston Martins using (many) Ford parts.

The H1 on the other hand is not built by GM. It's sold by GM, marketed by GM, but not built by GM. It doesn't use any GM parts either, except for the transmission.


The Ford-Aston Martin relationship is far different from the GM-AM General relationship.
 
Firebird
The H1 on the other hand is not built by GM. It's sold by GM, marketed by GM, but not built by GM. It doesn't use any GM parts either, except for the transmission.
At least in the US, GM is selling H1 Alphas with a GM-made Duramax diesel.
 
skip0110
At least in the US, GM is selling H1 Alphas with a GM-made Duramax diesel.

They finally got around to fitting the Duramax into it, eh?

You'll have to forgive my ignorance with respect to that: they don't sell the H1 here anymore.

It's still made by AM General though, which is wholly different than GM.
 
It is, but I'm pretty sure the gas engine is the chevy engine, too. I thought all the engines were (and had always been) GM stuff. I remember reading an article about how Ahnuld put the vette LS1 in his hummer, instead of the regular chevy truck engine. And
 
Firebird
They finally got around to fitting the Duramax into it, eh?

Very recently - in fact, it may have occurred this year (which is odd given they're lucky to sell 200 new H1s every year).

The best part about the H1 is that its VIN starts with 137. Find me another roadgoing car whose VIN starts with three numbers!
 
skicrush
It is, but I'm pretty sure the gas engine is the chevy engine, too. I thought all the engines were (and had always been) GM stuff. I remember reading an article about how Ahnuld put the vette LS1 in his hummer, instead of the regular chevy truck engine. And

The only gas engine sold in the H1 was well before GM became involved, way back in the day when the vehicle was known as "AM General Hummer". For a VERY short time AM General offered the 5.7L Chevrolet V8 as an option. A handful were ever built.

The other engines use in the Hummer have been built by Detroit Diesel, which is not owned by GM. The 6.2L and current 6.5L diesel V8s were used in GM trucks, but GM didn't design them.
 
Firebird
The other engines use in the Hummer have been built by Detroit Diesel, which is not owned by GM. The 6.2L and current 6.5L diesel V8s were used in GM trucks, but GM didn't design them.
You are right. I guess I knew that? Haven't all the big 3 outsourced their deisels until more recently (not counting Dodge, unless they bought Cummins and they forgot to inform me)? I remember rumors a little while back that GM was going to buy Caterpilar deisels. Not that anything ever came of that.
 
skicrush
You are right. I guess I knew that? Haven't all the big 3 outsourced their deisels until more recently (not counting Dodge, unless they bought Cummins and they forgot to inform me)?

They've pretty much always outsourced their diesels. The only one that comes to mind that wasn't outsourced was GM's 5.7L diesel, used in the trucks before the 6.2L and 6.5L. GM's passenger car diesels were in-house, but the 5.7L is the only truck diesel I can think of that was in-house.

Dodge has used Cummins' 5.9L I6 as its only diesel engine. Ford's Powerstrokes have been built by Navistar International Corporation, International Trucks parent company. The Duramax is... relatively in-house. Isuzu designed the Duramax.
 
Are you actually going to continue that argument? Because up until now I wasn't going to take a side, but come on...
 
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