Possible solutions to improving the quality of online racing.

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"So in my humble opinion the best way to clean up the public lobbies is to get out there and bloody well race in them!"

There's no point in me elaborating on most of your post as I've already made it clear how I feel about most of what you said, because it's been covered already. To me, when I read the above quote, 2 things come to mind.

1. I'm not anyone's babysitter, nor am I obliged to teach anyone, anything about this game. Having said that, I've voluntarily taken many guys new to this game under my wing and showed them the ropes, driven alone with them in lobbies, passed on my setups to them etc. I have no problem with that, voluntarily. But you're advocating and what PD has essentially forced upon is, is that all of us with limited time, which is everyone, to enjoy the game, must endure race after race ruined in public lobbies by drivers unskilled or unwilling to use the skills they have, weed them out ,to get to the good guys that are left, all the while, new drivers come into the lobby, many of them unskilled or unwilling to use their skills, in a never ending cycle of booting new drivers who crash their way to the front, and meanwhile, the rest of the clean drivers have their races ruined. And yes, that's all one sentence...lol. All of this under the mantra of "fairness" to everyone. No thank you.

2. What you are advocating is exactly what has been happening the last year since the game was released and it isn't working. I've been online with the game since the beginning. 9 months ago, with far less users back then compared to now, there were dozens of rooms themed around PP, HP and weight, or specific cars or tracks. Now the game is filled with non-specific room titles, dirty racing and very few themed or specific rooms, that are actually what they say they are. This is the result of the kind of online chaos we've had the last few months and it isn't working, hence my suggestion that we need to come up with a better system. There are millions of people that have bought this game, and only a few dozen decent rooms available online at any given time. To get to one of those rooms, you probably have to endure on average a half dozen crappy rooms to find it. Most people are not willing to invest that kind of time. They don't and the numbers of people online racing show it. If that doesn't tell you that the game isn't going over well online, then nothing will.

Most of the good people have left public lobbies in favour of private lounges. They've gone underground, out of the public eye, because they don't want to put up with the BS anymore. The idea of being able to pop on at any time and find a decent race with decent drivers just doesn't exist. I don't want every time I race to always have to be conscious of who should get booted, who is driving poorly, harassing the host to do something about it etc. etc. etc. Most people just don't want to do that. They want to pop on, find something interesting, run a few races and then get going.
 
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Hi Johnny. :)

The idea of being able to pop on at any time and find a decent race with decent drivers just doesn't exist.

Almost EVERY night I find a good public lobby with clean racers, perhaps it is a Euro/N.Am thing? I'm not sure that can be true though as I race in several US rooms where the racing is clean, one even where full damage works well.

The host is the key, get 10 good and regular hosts on a friends list, in a number of geographic areas, and you are ready to go at just about anytime.

A small investment of time initially with great long term results.

I don't want every time I race to always have to be conscious of who should get booted, who is driving poorly, harassing the host to do something about it etc. etc. etc. Most people just don't want to do that. They want to pop on, find something interesting, run a few races and then get going.

You're not obliged too, that is entirely your choice, as it should be. I however think the word "community" conveys an element of responsibility on all of us to govern our own little part of the online racing world.

PD gave us a sandbox, for that I am glad. Regardless of the inevitable negatives that go along with freedom.

Luckily, you have the right to choose private lobbies. A solution you found for yourself in this sandbox world. This leaves me wondering why there is a need for licenses when - as you have illustrated - there is already functionality available for those that prefer distancing themselves from the public hoards or are unwilling to take responsibility for a public room and police it well, fairly and with respect. As part of a community.

Anyway Johnny, have a great evening and I hope your tarmac is always smooth, your races always fair and your wins always epic. :)

[EDIT - I do by the way advocate the use of private lobbies for pre-arranged and lengthy races as it keeps things far simpler to administer :) ]
 
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Most of the good people have left public lobbies in favour of private lounges. They've gone underground, out of the public eye, because they don't want to put up with the BS anymore. The idea of being able to pop on at any time and find a decent race with decent drivers just doesn't exist. I don't want every time I race to always have to be conscious of who should get booted, who is driving poorly, harassing the host to do something about it etc. etc. etc. Most people just don't want to do that. They want to pop on, find something interesting, run a few races and then get going.




It does not exist in the public domain. But it does exists and I have shown you how via the lounge system I am spamming accross GTP lol. I have raced with the same 40-60 guys since GT5 was released; thats almost a year now. We have new guys show up and some go but our core members I race with every night pretty much. We will often have 10-14 guys in a lobby from 5pm till 2am, with often 20/30 showing up through the night, all guys I know by first name.

Take into consideration that our club was set up for people with children, shift workers, guys who could not always commit to racing online every night, but out of the 60 on the GBRC accounts there is always a group to race with everynight, all at a high standard of clean fair racing.

GT5 online is pants, God what I would do if I had the chance of a Job at PD, GT5 would simply be unbeatable, and I would do it for free.

Its a shame that we all have to go private lounge racing, but until we get something from PD that allows us to sort the good from the bad, then we have to come up with new ways to evade the problem. For me it was Private Lounges, and to a very large extent it solves the problem, especially when you get clever.

My advice to all of you is create your own private lounges, and go recruit people to sign up, kick the rammers, and in time with a little work you will be left with a tight group of upto 100 guys where you will find gauranteed clean racing. Then if somebody else creates a similar group, go add yourself to those accounts also.
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https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=217007 Sign up and suprise yourself. 👍


Cheers
 
Hi Johnny. :)


Luckily, you have the right to choose private lobbies. A solution you found for yourself in this sandbox world. This leaves me wondering why there is a need for licenses when - as you have illustrated - there is already functionality available for those that prefer distancing themselves from the public hoards or are unwilling to take responsibility for a public room and police it well, fairly and with respect. As part of a community.

Anyway Johnny, have a great evening and I hope your tarmac is always smooth, your races always fair and your wins always epic. :)

[EDIT - I do by the way advocate the use of private lobbies for pre-arranged and lengthy races as it keeps things far simpler to administer :) ]

I use private lobbies all the time, but to my mind, that's going way around the system to get good clean racing. I put a lot of time into the game, trolling through online lobbies, to find one or two good, clean drivers once in a while to add to my friends list. My list is now chockfull of guys like that. But how many hours did I put into the game this year to do that? Hundreds easily. All the hardcore guys will do the same. But what of the millions of casual users, whose $$$ PD depends on for survival. 100,000 enthusiasts can't keep the game going.

After reading dozens of posts over the months, I've come to the conclusion that millions of people have tried online racing and at least 95% of them have had a negative experience with it and never come back. I'm only guessing of course,but just taking into account the worldwide sales of the game and how many real racing lobbies you find online, with real PP, hp, weight or car restrictions leads me to think this.

Online is the shizzle when it comes to gaming, and perhaps even moreso with racing, as it's a fairly simple thing to do, and with spec cars you can race in dead even cars so you don't have to worry about tuning. If PD misses the boat on the online thing, I fear for the future of the game. I think they really have to sort this out, or the next version of the game may really lag in sales, and when someone comes along to duplicate this game but with better online racing, which will happen sooner or later, GT5 will be done. I'd switch in a heartbeat and so would my online friends.


My advice to all of you is create your own private lounges, and go recruit people to sign up, kick the rammers, and in time with a little work you will be left with a tight group of upto 100 guys where you will find gauranteed clean racing. Then if somebody else creates a similar group, go add yourself to those accounts also.
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https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=217007 Sign up and suprise yourself. 👍


Cheers

If you haven't checked out Clart's set up, you should. I think it is one possible way around the online lobby system, that allows one to gather with a large group of people for some good racing, with some self policing and the ability to kick someone permanently from the group as needed, a sort of penalty system but not done automatically. I have just joined myself, but I'm very interested to see it working and I think this sort of arrangement could easily take over GT5, for the real enthisiasts anyway.

For those of you that advocate online lobbies without rules or regulations, this is what you are going to get. All the good people fleeing into private lobbies with 100 other good drivers. A few dozen of these groups set up and the online free lobbies will be a wasteland of guys running X1's around Indy and 9000 pp racing at Daytona. Who will you run against then? There won't be many good drivers left in open lobbies. What happens to the future of the game at that point, when all the responsible hosts are sitting in their own private lobbies?

That's what I'm talking about! :ouch:
 
I use private lobbies all the time, but to my mind, that's going way around the system to get good clean racing. I put a lot of time into the game, trolling through online lobbies, to find one or two good, clean drivers once in a while to add to my friends list. My list is now chockfull of guys like that. But how many hours did I put into the game this year to do that? Hundreds easily. All the hardcore guys will do the same. But what of the millions of casual users, whose $$$ PD depends on for survival. 100,000 enthusiasts can't keep the game going.

After reading dozens of posts over the months, I've come to the conclusion that millions of people have tried online racing and at least 95% of them have had a negative experience with it and never come back. I'm only guessing of course,but just taking into account the worldwide sales of the game and how many real racing lobbies you find online, with real PP, hp, weight or car restrictions leads me to think this.

Online is the shizzle when it comes to gaming, and perhaps even moreso with racing, as it's a fairly simple thing to do, and with spec cars you can race in dead even cars so you don't have to worry about tuning. If PD misses the boat on the online thing, I fear for the future of the game. I think they really have to sort this out, or the next version of the game may really lag in sales, and when someone comes along to duplicate this game but with better online racing, which will happen sooner or later, GT5 will be done. I'd switch in a heartbeat and so would my online friends.




If you haven't checked out Clart's set up, you should. I think it is one possible way around the online lobby system, that allows one to gather with a large group of people for some good racing, with some self policing and the ability to kick someone permanently from the group as needed, a sort of penalty system but not done automatically. I have just joined myself, but I'm very interested to see it working and I think this sort of arrangement could easily take over GT5, for the real enthisiasts anyway.

For those of you that advocate online lobbies without rules or regulations, this is what you are going to get. All the good people fleeing into private lobbies with 100 other good drivers. A few dozen of these groups set up and the online free lobbies will be a wasteland of guys running X1's around Indy and 9000 pp racing at Daytona. Who will you run against then? There won't be many good drivers left in open lobbies. What happens to the future of the game at that point, when all the responsible hosts are sitting in their own private lobbies?

That's what I'm talking about! :ouch:






Its a real shame, but what I would like is for GTP or many of its active members to create a multitude of private lobbies like I have. Each group of 100 could be manageg/farmed/cultivated by several of its regulars who will act as Admin for the group and will maintain a good level of driving within the group.

I would hope for there to be a huge database of these lobby names posted up in a specific part of the GTP forums with open spaces advertised. Members or people looking to join 1 of several of these private lobbies could simply add themselves


A simple example of some accounts that could be created showing how many friends added to each. A basic set up.


CORE_Casual_A 97/100
CORE_Casual_B 100/100
CORE_Casual_C 99/100
CORE_Casual_D 91/100
CORE_Casual_E 93/100
CORE_Casual_F 57/100


GHTQ_Casual_A 86/100
GHTQ_Casual_B 93/100
GHTQ_Casual_C 55/100
GHTQ_Casual_D 45/100
GHTQ_Casual_E 67/100
GHTQ_Casual_F 100/100

GT5'r_Casual_A 77/100
GT5'r_Casual_B 55/100
GT5'r_Casual_C 98/100
GT5'r_Casual_D 100/100


GBRC_Casual_A 60/100
GBRC_Casual_B 76/100
GBRC_Casual_C 85/100


GTP_Casual_A 100/100
GTP_Casual_B 88/100
GTP_Casual_C 5/100
GTP_Casual_D 45/100
GTP_Casual_E 88/100

Etc


You could even do a big qualifier, and make the lobbies divisional based on ability. Alos, any members can be friends with multiple of these accounts, so bringing a much larger scope to the amount of possible clean drivers/rooms any one person has access to.


THE ABOVE CAN HAPPEN NOW I can do all of this, but I need to create 10s and 10s of e-mail addresses and a ton of PSN accounts, it will take ages for 1 person to do it all.


I need help to get this going.


If we want to talk about setting up lounges like the above, please bring the conversation here. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=229785
 
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Do your best my friend, but don't go it alone. Recruit others to help, but don't get ahead of yourself. If you expand too fast, you'll be spread to thin and with only 100 participants to each group of rooms, the key is going to be frequency of participation and keeping an eye on the drivers and getting rid of the inevitable bad seeds that creep in.

I'm kicking around with a buddy of mine to do the same thing, but I was going to survey your rooms and the C.R.A.P. setup before we launched, if we do.

It is a definite, viable alternative to the open lobby system and an inevitable result of PD's inability to regulate and control participation in some way that allows good, honest drivers to be be discriminating about who they participate with.
 
Do your best my friend, but don't go it alone. Recruit others to help, but don't get ahead of yourself. If you expand too fast, you'll be spread to thin and with only 100 participants to each group of rooms, the key is going to be frequency of participation and keeping an eye on the drivers and getting rid of the inevitable bad seeds that creep in.

I'm kicking around with a buddy of mine to do the same thing, but I was going to survey your rooms and the C.R.A.P. setup before we launched, if we do.

It is a definite, viable alternative to the open lobby system and an inevitable result of PD's inability to regulate and control participation in some way that allows good, honest drivers to be be discriminating about who they participate with.




I agree, launching a ton of accounts from the off would be silly. Though if e GTP staff like the idea, then a news item would be sufficient to get the word out, then if somebody or a group/GTP staff took it upon themselves to set something up then enough people would jump at it.

I really don't have the time to do it, and looking after such a big undertaking. I would need at least a good few guys behind me. Its already tough enough keeping GBRC well oiled let alone 10s of other groups.
 
More elitism...:yuck:

So you basically want to turn it into "Cars of Duty"? "Oh, you have a low license. What a noob." "Oh, you have a high license, what a no-lifer."


I hate these "split the community because of their inability to drive a 84629hp car on comfort super über number hards" ideas. Just because they can't pass a certain time with a 500hp car on comfort mediums doesn't mean they can't race.

Why not a simple idea...? Or better yet, leave it up to the host to keep the lobby in-check. No need for a stupid robot/license crap to distribute people into certain lobbies.
 
OK here's what GT or any online racing game really needs.
MATCHMAKING:
Join different tracks with set rules , preferably change weekly.
400PP Class
500PP Class
600PP Class
650PP Class, etc.,
rules set like GT5P, beginner, intermediate, professional, you get the idea...
LEADERBOARDS:
After each race your worldwide ranking gets displayed based on your best lap time.
It will show on boards if the record was done online ( i.e. with draft) or in Time Trial, or even offline in Aspec/ Arcade.
And while you at it why the heck not make Seasonals online additional to 'normal' Quickmatch mode ..?!
This alone would make GT5 the almost perfect, ultimate racing game IMO, but I guess that's not what PD want, they seem to love to always be behind that other game, which ironically was initially just a GT clone ...
 
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None, and definitly not licenses, they f:censored:d up my GT3 and GT4.

Just make the creator of a non TCS room feel guilty and hope he does something.
 
I would like to see some sort of rating system. I don't it should be as strict as some people are stating but more of a guideline. If a new person comes into your lobby there is no way to know if he is 10 and just bought the game yesterday our a guy who is 30 and has 40/40 in a spec and b spec.

Mostly online needs more option and more customization.
-Courses need stricter penalty lines. No more than 2 wheels off the pavement on any track. Maybe some laid back settings but the first is a necessity. A guy the other nite passed me on Sarthe by having enough momentum to cut all the chicanes at the end something should be done about things like that, add sand traps or blockades?
-Revamp the ramming penalty system sometimes the wrong person gets charges with the penalty
-More vehicle restraints. Last nite I had Stock 86GT room open and a person comes in and selects the concept. I want to be able to select exactly what cars can be used.
-A performance modification check list would be nice too. Maybe adding an exhaust and an intake makes the racing a little more interesting.
-Different starting patterns. Rolling starts: single, double, triple file. Other than standing starts on all courses except the super speedways. I think this would minimize 1st corner pile ups.
-Anything to help out league play would be very welcomed.
 
I rarely have contact in my series .

:rolleyes: Orly???

i racing works because they have their own servers special for racing. PSN is a mess with millions of people.

But yeah....GT5 could sort based on penalty ratings I guess. The collision physics would have to get sorted out (hopeless at the moment.)
 
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