Pp or bhp

[gt5 fan]

What do you perfure pp or bhp? I personally perfure bhp.

 

[Aaronrray]

What do you perfure pp or bhp? I personally perfure bhp.

PP is BS... I go by the car stats, though I also use car level to judge performance of a new car. BHP and torque are good for getting an idea of how a car accelerates and top end speed. Weight effects acceleration and turning..

 

[noisiaturismo]

They both are not for measuring cars for a race, BHP is for power, PP is for nothing at all as it does not work properly.

 

[blah blah blah]

PP is very much so misleading so I prefer BHP/HP.

 

[Schwartz]

If you are going to set regulations use bhp and weight, not PP considering a fully upgraded Caterham Seven Fireblade has the same PP as an LMP car.

 

[Dragonthing]

As soon as you set a PP limit between about 500-550PP and watch the kiddies in their NSXs shoot off into the distance, you'll never do it again...

 

[kilttraeger]

As soon as you set a PP limit between about 500-550PP and watch the kiddies in their NSXs shoot off into the distance, you'll never do it again...

Or a M3 CSL. Or a Ruf RGT. Or a LFA. Or an GT-R. Or a Shelby Supercharged. Or a Zonda C12. Or a RX 7. Or.....

Wait a minute.

 

[herbiefan53]

i prefer bhp or hp just because you can see the overall power of the car

 

[iridegravity]

I use PP because it's quick and easy. Would like to hear some explanations as to why it doesn't work. Seems fine to me. BHP and Weight restrictions slow down rooms because folks have to search more for cars meeting both criteria, which means dealing with the menu system search twice while memorizing the first result. Oh.... race started....crap

PP makes it even it seems. Detuned LMP's or race cars usually suck. Places the emphasis on driving the appropriate car unless you retune whatever you detuned to the current spec. I race mostly shuffle or spec because then everyone is at or near the same level immediately?

 

[Aaronrray]

I use PP because it's quick and easy. Would like to hear some explanations as to why it doesn't work. Seems fine to me. BHP and Weight restrictions slow down rooms because folks have to search more for cars meeting both criteria, which means dealing with the menu system search twice while memorizing the first result. Oh.... race started....crap

PP makes it even it seems. Detuned LMP's or race cars usually suck. Places the emphasis on driving the appropriate car unless you retune whatever you detuned to the current spec. I race mostly shuffle or spec because then everyone is at or near the same level immediately?

But a Catterham is at the same PP region as upper level race cars

 

[Zuel]

Power to Weight allows the cars to be closer in the KG/HP numbers. But there's a number glitch with the numbers with tuned cars. If a turbo or supercharger is added to a stage three tuned motor( which I'm very much against) the number never chane.

 

[Mike Rotch]

I use PP because it's quick and easy. Would like to hear some explanations as to why it doesn't work. Seems fine to me. BHP and Weight restrictions slow down rooms because folks have to search more for cars meeting both criteria, which means dealing with the menu system search twice while memorizing the first result. Oh.... race started....crap

PP makes it even it seems. Detuned LMP's or race cars usually suck. Places the emphasis on driving the appropriate car unless you retune whatever you detuned to the current spec. I race mostly shuffle or spec because then everyone is at or near the same level immediately?

I agree. Ok, Fireblades and GSX/R anomalies aside, I think it delivers closer racing then HP/KG limits. People can set the latter to weed out cars that might challenge their favoured weapon (for example by setting weight to 1200kgs, you wave goodbye to a lot of cars like the FT86 for example).

PP is PP. If a guy wants a light lower powered car against heavier more powerful ones, good on him.

 

[Highlandor]

Nope - BOTH.

It all depends on what car(s) you are racing.

Some race series I'm in have BHP/KGs limits, others have PP limits - both have exceptionally close racing and a huge variety of cars that can 'win' in them.

Random lobbies are random lobbies - they mean squat.

Go 'organised' racing where guys have put time and effort into a set of regulations, tested the cars in the series, and if necessary, applied basic handicaps then it doesn't matter whether it's PP or BHP.

Also, power limiter plays a huge role aswell, virtually every series I'm in the power limiter is banned and must be at 100%, plus ballast can't be used. At first alot or most newcomers think it's weird, after a few races they can "see the light" and more often that not won't go back to their previous regulations as they realize this way provides a far higher level of equality, excitement and diversity.

It's not about what you use but how you're using it / them - massive difference.

 

[Zuel]

@Highlandor

Are the cars ran stock?

 

[iridegravity]

But a Catterham is at the same PP region as upper level race cars

So what? I don't see anyone trying to wiggle that little thing around the track and winning in it. It's so light that it's twitch so people stay away for the most part. Not sure what your problem with it is. I for one would like to meet the guy that can beat race cars in it or try it myself. Think I would fail though.

 

[Schwartz]

So what? I don't see anyone trying to wiggle that little thing around the track and winning in it. It's so light that it's twitch so people stay away for the most part. Not sure what your problem with it is. I for one would like to meet the guy that can beat race cars in it or try it myself. Think I would fail though.

He's trying to say that the PP system doesn't accurately represent a car's performance, not that someone is going to beat race cars with a Caterham.

 

[generationlost]

PP is just a guide. You still have to use common sense in order to choose the right car. A car that weighs next to nothing with 300hp can have the same PP as a 500hp car that weighs more. obviously, the 500hp car will perform better on high speed tracks and the 300hp will leave the heavier 500hp car in the dust on a low speed track

 

[iridegravity]

Nope - BOTH.

It all depends on what car(s) you are racing.

Some race series I'm in have BHP/KGs limits, others have PP limits - both have exceptionally close racing and a huge variety of cars that can 'win' in them.

Random lobbies are random lobbies - they mean squat.

Go 'organised' racing where guys have put time and effort into a set of regulations, tested the cars in the series, and if necessary, applied basic handicaps then it doesn't matter whether it's PP or BHP.

Also, power limiter plays a huge role aswell, virtually every series I'm in the power limiter is banned and must be at 100%, plus ballast can't be used. At first alot or most newcomers think it's weird, after a few races they can "see the light" and more often that not won't go back to their previous regulations as they realize this way provides a far higher level of equality, excitement and diversity.

It's not about what you use but how you're using it / them - massive difference.

Organized..Meh .. Thats the second time I have seen that without an invite attached? I assume generally these are someone elses rooms and they are already well established with a local click or crew running the show. Kind of like lobbies, only with bigger and more organized packs. Most of these people will know each other already and be comfortable with each other and not so friendly to outsiders. Figure thats why I don't see a lot of people desperate to invite new peeps. Maybe I will meet someone online someday who I like racing with and he will invite me.

He's trying to say that the PP system doesn't accurately represent a car's performance, not that someone is going to beat race cars with a Caterham.

Oh..OK

 

[Aaronrray]

He's trying to say that the PP system doesn't accurately represent a car's performance, not that someone is going to beat race cars with a Caterham.

Also, some people may get annoyed by the fact that they can't race their Catterham (which is a rediculously fun car) anywhere without getting slaughtered because of PP limits.

 

[BrandonW77]

Organized..Meh .. Thats the second time I have seen that without an invite attached? I assume generally these are someone elses rooms and they are already well established with a local click or crew running the show. Kind of like lobbies, only with bigger and more organized packs. Most of these people will know each other already and be comfortable with each other and not so friendly to outsiders. Figure thats why I don't see a lot of people desperate to invite new peeps. Maybe I will meet someone online someday who I like racing with and he will invite me.

Oh..OK

In my experience most of the groups here on GTP are very friendly to outsiders and always welcome respectful drivers. I run a group that always has new people racing with us (close to 30 last season) and we're currently recruiting new members for our next season with the Alfa TZ2. You're welcome to click the link in my sig and check it out.

 

[Camaroyenko]

PP is more accurate. Aerodynamics, weight, and handling all come into play.

 

[Schwartz]

PP is more accurate. Aerodynamics, weight, and handling all come into play.

No its not because what ever formula they use is flawed. Gran Turismo isnt always perfect you know...

 

[aadil717]

PP - even though it may not be totally accurate, in gives an in sight to all the characteristics of the car, IE; Power, Weight, Aero.

BHP will only tell you the power, if you compare a car like say a 300C with a Caterham, the Caterham will have less BHP but still outperform the 300C which has more than double the BHP.

So I think BHP isn't really an accurate representation of the car as a whole and I rather look at PP then the BHP.

 

[SnyDX]

I've read some people saying that PP aren't correct. I disagree.

PP are based on maths, combining weight, power, and downforce. It's a guiding value. They don't tell you wich is the best car to drive through some special track or event. If you used for that you will probably fail as a driver.

BHP/HP is all about engine's power, nothing more.

The different between them is the way you use them. You must realise that some tracks require cars with great BHP/HP and others where things like weight and downforce decides how you wil succeed.

So, even if BHP contributes to PP, you must look for a good combination between them, with high values for both. Caterham Seven Fireblade is a car with high PP due only to the weight/power ratio, since it does only have 240/250 max HP. That means it will drive perfectly through corners but it doesn't have great max speed.

Resuming, you must look for a car with High PP and High BHP/HP, but allways remember that each track requires different types of cars.

 

[RacerPaul]

What do you perfure pp or bhp? I personally perfure bhp

If you're talking about what to base a race series on, I'd say power and weight limits everytime

PP doesn't seem to provide to level-ish playing field its supposed to 👎

 

[Camaroyenko]

No its not because what ever formula they use is flawed. Gran Turismo isnt always perfect you know...

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Yes I know it's not perfect. I've always found PP to be more accurate. For example, I was racing in the series limited by HP. I was in a BMW M3. The other two were in Ferrari 458s? Out of physics the 458s won because my car was a heavy boat.

 

[gt5 fan]

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Yes I know it's not perfect. I've always found PP to be more accurate. For example, I was racing in the series limited by HP. I was in a BMW M3. The other two were in Ferrari 458s? Out of physics the 458s won because my car was a heavy boat.

That is were the power to weight ratio comes in (witch pd don't show) because pp is power, weight and aerodynamics all together.