Prius "Solution"

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So this childish hatred for the Prius continues, eh?

You know some people actually buy them because they are reliable machines.

Doesn't matter though, as Toyota keeps making money and laughing at the bank.

Damn you Toyota.
 
I think Priuses (Prii?) are really cool. Don't get me wrong, I'd never buy one myself, but I think the tech and versatility of them is amazing.
 
I hate the normal prius, probably because of the people who drive it, the smugness that usually follows and because it's just bad looking and in my opinion not very purposeful. However, I think the prius V and C are pretty cool
 
HA, haha.. Yes, I would rather kill myself than drive one of these. They finally figured it out!
 
So this childish hatred for the Prius continues, eh?

You know some people actually buy them because they are reliable machines.

Doesn't matter though, as Toyota keeps making money and laughing at the bank.

Damn you Toyota.

I got a ride in one for the first time not too long ago.

Aside from the quiet ride, touch screen thing-a-ma-bob and 3-teen-seating in the back...I'd still never buy one. So ugly...I'd honestly take a Volt over the Prius if I had to buy something "eco-friendly".


Off-topic: I'm guessing many of you guys visit Jalopnik often? :sly:
 
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Much as I quite like the Prius (even the way it looks - looks far less dated than anything else released at the same time), getting annoyed by something on the Onion is like getting annoyed by something on Sniffpetrol, or getting annoyed by something Clarkson says.

Off-topic: I'm guessing many of you guys visit Jalopnik often? :sly:

Only when I must. It's sometimes fun to pick out the occasional diamond of an article among the huge piles of crap.
 
It's odd that I dislike the Prius, but like other hybrids and eco cars like the Volt/Ampera, Insight and CRZ.

I think it's the fact that most bought the Prius as a "statement" that I dislike most about it. They* didn't necessarily buy it because they wanted one, but that they bought it in an attempt to make a point.


* They being all the Hollywood types that jumped on the bandwagon.
 
It's odd that I dislike the Prius, but like other hybrids and eco cars like the Volt/Ampera, Insight and CRZ.

I think it's the fact that most bought the Prius as a "statement" that I dislike most about it. They* didn't necessarily buy it because they wanted one, but that they bought it in an attempt to make a point.


* They being all the Hollywood types that jumped on the bandwagon.

Originally perhaps, but now it just sells because it works. All the bandwagon-hoppers have moved onto other stuff - Justin Bieber and Leo DiCaprio are currently on the Fisker Karma bandwagon, for example. And the economy of that thing is atrocious. At least the Prius really does use less fuel than the average...
 
I hate the normal prius, probably because of the people who drive it, the smugness that usually follows and because it's just bad looking and in my opinion not very purposeful. However, I think the prius V and C are pretty cool

Problem with the Prius C is it's really a hybrid Yaris. And as someone who owned a 2009 Yaris for 2 years I can say that a hybrid Yaris isn't a great car.
 
Problem with the Prius C is it's really a hybrid Yaris. And as someone who owned a 2009 Yaris for 2 years I can say that a hybrid Yaris isn't a great car.

Not really. The Prius C is vaguely related to the new Yaris, which was launched in 2010 (as a 2011 model-year car), but it's still quite different. And it's significantly different to your 2009 car.

And I've driven an actual Yaris hybrid (same drivetrain as the Prius C, but a Yaris) and it's a very good car. Managed a real-world 63mpg (US gal - 76mpg in proper gallons) very easily indeed, which isn't too shabby.
 
I dont hate the cars, I hate the people the drive them. Saw a Prius with a turbo badge on it the other day...
 
I dont hate the cars, I hate the people the drive them. Saw a Prius with a turbo badge on it the other day...

Wouldn't it be cool to swap a Supra engine (how are they called? 2JZ?) in there :lol: I'd drive that any day!
 
The car itself is great. Well made, reliable, fuel-efficient, roomy, etc. The image attached to it, as daan says, is what I hate about it. Celebs buy a Prius to show off to everyone their green-ness, and then after making a public appearance in the Prius they arrive back home to their fleet of Land Rovers and private jets. It's disgusting.

Another thing I hate about Prius drivers is that many buy it because they think that since the Prius advertises itself as an environmentally friendly vehicle and gets good fuel economy (the smarter of the bunch might even consider emissions as well), they are "green" and saving the planet, and many of them will feel the urgent need to show off their presumed green-ness as much as possible. And the reality is, fuel efficiency does not equal green. It just means the car takes longer to burn its fossil fuels. And those that take emissions and such into account still don't realize that the Prius is actually bad for environment because of the way its batteries are made.

My last quip with the Prius is while many buy it for the fuel economy alone, there are better cars out there for that. If you really care about the planet, sacrifice the creature comforts and get yourself a SEAT Ibiza Ecomotive. 88 mpg and 1000 miles on a single tank, and excellent emissions as well. Of course, this car and many other fuel sippers available in Europe are not available in the United States, which presents fewer options for the fuel economy-conscious American, but even so - the Prius is not the last word in fuel economy like so many take it to be.

So basically I'm like everyone else and I don't really hate the car itself but the people that drive them; their ignorance and vanity are a combination that makes me cringe (Disclaimer: obviously there are some people out there that buy the Prius for what it is as a car and not to project an image or "save the planet", and those people I have no issue with.). These types of drivers don't just drive Priuses, either; the other day I was driving and I pulled up beside a Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid with, in addition to the lettering from the factory, a gigantic (aftermarket) Hybrid sticker placed on the rear window for everyone to see. I almost threw up. My problem with the Prius in general is that, although this kind of behavior exists for all types of hybrids (which I dislike in general, but would drive one that didn't shout about it), the Prius is the posterchild for the ignorant/vain eco-mentalist.

*deep breath*

(Arguments that destroy all of my points in 3...2...1...)
 
It even turns into a Lexus when you tune it!

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Buying one to save on gas = ok, whatever.

Buying one because they are supposedly "green" = makes you a hypocrite.

There are quite a few other cars that can get just as good or better mileage.
 
As many others have said, people who hate the Prius don't. They hate the people associated with it. That said, I'm not a big fan of idiot 🤬 like this either:

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(Arguments that destroy all of my points in 3...2...1...)

Wouldn't wanna disappoint ;)

The car itself is great. Well made, reliable, fuel-efficient, roomy, etc. The image attached to it, as daan says, is what I hate about it. Celebs buy a Prius to show off to everyone their green-ness, and then after making a public appearance in the Prius they arrive back home to their fleet of Land Rovers and private jets. It's disgusting.

Agreed. Celebs who do this are hypocrites. That said, I'm not sure how many celebs even own a Prius any more. It doesn't seem to get mentioned as often as it once did.

And the reality is, fuel efficiency does not equal green. It just means the car takes longer to burn its fossil fuels. And those that take emissions and such into account still don't realize that the Prius is actually bad for environment because of the way its batteries are made.

I started off agreeing with this too, but you cocked it up with the last line.

You're right - ultimately, the "greenest" thing to do is not drive at all. If you're driving a car, even a Prius, you're still contributing to pollution (albeit a negligible amount these days), CO2 (the value you put on that depends on your stance on climate change) and you're still using up the world's oil resources (again, the importance of this depends on how close you believe we are to peak oil, though I can't see gas prices going anywhere but up from now on).

However, using less gas is undoubtedly a good thing, and ultimately using less gas means less of the other things too.

The comment about batteries is pretty dubious though. A popular one to bring up is that awful-looking nickel mine in Canada, but I recall that image was debunked quite a while ago as it had been opened a good two decades before the Prius even existed, rather than specifically to make batteries for cars.

The other aspect to that is the levels of hypocrisy involved when complaining, on the internet, about a car using rare earth metals, when laptops, desktop computers, phones and anything else that accesses the internet all use huge quantities of rare earth metals, and have done for far longer than we've had hybrids.

My last quip with the Prius is while many buy it for the fuel economy alone, there are better cars out there for that. If you really care about the planet, sacrifice the creature comforts and get yourself a SEAT Ibiza Ecomotive. 88 mpg and 1000 miles on a single tank, and excellent emissions as well.

Hmm.

Few caveats to this. Firstly, I've always managed to get closer to official figures when driving hybrids than I have in diesels, which in some cases have been up to 20mpg off - and anyone who knows me knows I drive pretty economically (not slow, just economically). So you can chuck that 88mpg in the bin (I'm pretty sure that's the car's "extra urban" figure too, rather than its combined figure) and pitch it around the 60-65mpg mark for a realistic number (or actually, 59mpg according to the Honest John fuel economy register).

59mpg is only 3mpg better than people are getting from the Prius - and the Prius's claimed economy is 10mpg lower than the Seat. Plus, it's a bigger, more spacious car, and it's easier to drive because it's an automatic. And since it uses petrol and not diesel, it's cheaper to run too. And almost certainly more reliable.

So it's not really more economical in actual usage. Nor, as you claim, is it dirtier. Petrol engines burn inherently cleaner than diesel ones do, and they don't need expensive and unreliable diesel particulate filters either (nor urea injection systems, if you live in the U.S.).

DPFs have a nasty habit of clogging up if you use the car exclusively in town (incidentally, an environment in which hybrids destroy diesels for economy), so every so often you need to go for a blast, in which scenario they burn all the soot and release it as marginally less nasty ash. Ever seen a brand-new diesel Audi or similar kicking a big cloud out the back when they accelerate hard? Hardly clean, is it?

Diesels sometimes have a lower CO2 output than petrol cars, but that's misleading as on a mile-per-gallon basis diesel puts out more CO2. This means you need to make the diesel even more economical to put its CO2 on the same level as that of a hybrid. Better economy is great - but we've already established some of those ultra-economical diesels suck at actually getting the correct figures in real driving.

the Prius is not the last word in fuel economy like so many take it to be.

Actually, in America, it pretty much is. The two most economical non plug-in cars sold in the U.S. are both Prii - the regular car, and the Prius C.

their ignorance

Unfortunately, ignorance is also rife on the anti-Prius side.

Buying one because they are supposedly "green" = makes you a hypocrite.

There are quite a few other cars that can get just as good or better mileage.

Covered this above :)
 
Wouldn't wanna disappoint ;)

Much appreciated. :lol:

I started off agreeing with this too, but you cocked it up with the last line.

You're right - ultimately, the "greenest" thing to do is not drive at all. If you're driving a car, even a Prius, you're still contributing to pollution (albeit a negligible amount these days), CO2 (the value you put on that depends on your stance on climate change) and you're still using up the world's oil resources (again, the importance of this depends on how close you believe we are to peak oil, though I can't see gas prices going anywhere but up from now on).

However, using less gas is undoubtedly a good thing, and ultimately using less gas means less of the other things too.

Of course.

The comment about batteries is pretty dubious though. A popular one to bring up is that awful-looking nickel mine in Canada, but I recall that image was debunked quite a while ago as it had been opened a good two decades before the Prius even existed, rather than specifically to make batteries for cars.

Well, it is true that I have not found concrete proof, but I have heard it from many sources multiple times. Could just be a myth though. :boggled:

The other aspect to that is the levels of hypocrisy involved when complaining, on the internet, about a car using rare earth metals, when laptops, desktop computers, phones and anything else that accesses the internet all use huge quantities of rare earth metals, and have done for far longer than we've had hybrids.

Well I'm not really guilty of said hypocrisy, because I'm not an environmentalist and don't go out of my way to try to be green. Form judgments as you must, but that's just how I roll. I'd get into it more but that would be for another thread.

Hmm.

Few caveats to this. Firstly, I've always managed to get closer to official figures when driving hybrids than I have in diesels, which in some cases have been up to 20mpg off - and anyone who knows me knows I drive pretty economically (not slow, just economically). So you can chuck that 88mpg in the bin (I'm pretty sure that's the car's "extra urban" figure too, rather than its combined figure) and pitch it around the 60-65mpg mark for a realistic number (or actually, 59mpg according to the Honest John fuel economy register).

59mpg is only 3mpg better than people are getting from the Prius - and the Prius's claimed economy is 10mpg lower than the Seat. Plus, it's a bigger, more spacious car, and it's easier to drive because it's an automatic. And since it uses petrol and not diesel, it's cheaper to run too. And almost certainly more reliable.

So it's not really more economical in actual usage. Nor, as you claim, is it dirtier. Petrol engines burn inherently cleaner than diesel ones do, and they don't need expensive and unreliable diesel particulate filters either (nor urea injection systems, if you live in the U.S.).

DPFs have a nasty habit of clogging up if you use the car exclusively in town (incidentally, an environment in which hybrids destroy diesels for economy), so every so often you need to go for a blast, in which scenario they burn all the soot and release it as marginally less nasty ash. Ever seen a brand-new diesel Audi or similar kicking a big cloud out the back when they accelerate hard? Hardly clean, is it?

Diesels sometimes have a lower CO2 output than petrol cars, but that's misleading as on a mile-per-gallon basis diesel puts out more CO2. This means you need to make the diesel even more economical to put its CO2 on the same level as that of a hybrid. Better economy is great - but we've already established some of those ultra-economical diesels suck at actually getting the correct figures in real driving.

Valid points.

Actually, in America, it pretty much is. The two most economical non plug-in cars sold in the U.S. are both Prii - the regular car, and the Prius C.

Agh, my brain must have never left the early 2000s when the first-gen Insight was more economical by a fair margin than the Prius. I believe the figures were 62 mpg for the Insight and 53 mpg for the Prius, but that's coming completely from memory so don't quote me on that one. :p That's what I get for assuming there would still be a car out there with similar attributes. :ouch:

However, you bring up a good point. I kept saying that there are better alternatives to the Prius, and these days if you really want to cut down emissions and wasting fuel you buy a plug-in (yes I know, there's a Prius plug-in...but I'm fairly certain the regular Prius sells far more, am I correct?). So there are alternatives now that the electric car is improving.

Unfortunately, ignorance is also rife on the anti-Prius side.

More like I need to stop making assumptions about things. :scared: Habits...
 
Some of you guys pay way too much attention to Prius drivers.
You kind of have to, what with them rarely paying attention to anything but their instant MPG gauges in lieu of the world around them.




inb4 homeforsummer. : p
 
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^ I love that. Guilty as charged, me in a few years I can just tell.

I already have something similar, except you can't really see it so much. I got dual pipes out the middle of my truck underneath.
 
sumbrownkid
So this childish hatred for the Prius continues, eh?

You know some people actually buy them because they are reliable machines.

Doesn't matter though, as Toyota keeps making money and laughing at the bank.

Damn you Toyota.

There are better cars out there for less. Kia for example, they make stuff like the stunning optima for 20k. The Prius seems... Old fashioned. Especially next to the yaris hybrid and vauxhall ampera.

Nowadays reliability isn't a big sales point especially after the engine spasm scare a while ago.
 
Agh, my brain must have never left the early 2000s when the first-gen Insight was more economical by a fair margin than the Prius. I believe the figures were 62 mpg for the Insight and 53 mpg for the Prius, but that's coming completely from memory so don't quote me on that one. :p That's what I get for assuming there would still be a car out there with similar attributes. :ouch:

Yeah, the original Insight was pretty special. The new one, not so much. And it's only really with the new Yaris hybrid that a hybrid has got anywhere near the economy of that original Insight - though thanks to a decade of engine advancements, they've been producing lower emissions the whole time.

However, you bring up a good point. I kept saying that there are better alternatives to the Prius, and these days if you really want to cut down emissions and wasting fuel you buy a plug-in (yes I know, there's a Prius plug-in...but I'm fairly certain the regular Prius sells far more, am I correct?). So there are alternatives now that the electric car is improving.

The Prius Plug-In has only just been launched (actually, only semi-launched - I'm going along to the UK launch in a few weeks myself), but it's definitely a good mid-step between hybrids and EVs.

That said, hybrids are still cheaper than plug-ins and even cheaper still than full EVs.

Not to big up the Yaris Hybrid too much, but it's also one of very few hybrids that's the same price (or in some cases, cheaper) than its diesel rivals.

There are better cars out there for less. Kia for example, they make stuff like the stunning optima for 20k.

An Optima won't get anywhere near the Prius's economy, though...

Nowadays reliability isn't a big sales point especially after the engine spasm scare a while ago.

Not sure what you mean by that. The Prius is one of the more reliable cars on the roads - Toyota gets fewer warranty claims on the Prius than it does on any other model. And the rest of its range is hardly a paragon of unreliability...
 
I'd still rather have that Mustang that got like 84 mpg and 400 horses from computers lol
 
@homeforsummer.

A friend who I'll call bob test drove a Prius around Carlisle. 43mpg, impressive. But, Toyota yaris hybrid got nearly as much and is cheaper.

And exactly. People bang on about the prius' reliability but the gt86 will be just as indestructible.
 
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