"PRIZE CAR" Winners???

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I'm sure I was one of the first to post my disappointment with the quality of the "Prize Cars" in GT4.:irked: However, nudged into action by Kent's thread found (HERE) and my own effort with a "Stock" Sauber vs the Formula GT Series (Run back in June) & found (HERE) I decided to find out just how BAD :irked: they really are. Since I'd already run the Sauber with fairly strict rules I decided to use a similar set-up for this test:

NO Horsepower "Ups" except for OIL Changes, NO Weight Reduction & NO Wings Allowed! Changing Tyres or Chassis/Drivetrain parts Allowed. Plus Chassis/Trans adjustments are "O.K."

Of course with the "mindset" that MOST of the Prize Cars were "JUNK" I didn't expect to "Win" many races. Boy was I in for a pleasant surprise! :eek: With a little "Tweaking" here & there (Although many races were Won withOUT) I've managed to best the "AI" in 76 Series & 10 Enduros to date. If any of you beat some I didn't according to the rules above, just PM me & I'll add 'em in & give you Credit! 👍

SORRY there's not more descriptions of the action...but when I started I didn't expect to win more than a few races & didn't keep notes early on. I've added a few short notes here & there.


I'd really be remiss NOT to send out a BIG THANX to Kent! :cheers: I foolishly sold several Prize Cars & really didn't relish running their series to win them again just so I could run the series YET ANOTHER TIME! :indiff: Kent came to my rescue & sent me a "Super Save" with unused rides I could buy onto my card! I owe you one!!!

Beginner thru Endurance Halls

BEGINNER HALL:
Sunday Cup: AUTOBIANCHI A112 Abarth '79 87-134 A-Spec [Changed Oil / Tyres/Running Gear]
MR Challenge: LOTUS Esprit Turbo HC '87 44-65 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Light Weight K Cup:: GINETTA G4 '64 2-3 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Sport Truck Race:: CHEVROLET Silverado SST Concept '02 6ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

PROFESSIONAL HALL:
Clubman Cup: MAZDA Mazdaspeed 6 '05 114-126 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Tuning Car Grand Prix: NISSAN OPTION Stream Z '04 2-3 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Race of NA Sports: HONDA NSX-R Concept '01 136-154 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Race of Turbo Sports: MAZDA BP FALKEN RX-7 (D1GP) '03 24-64 A-Spec [Changed Oil ONLY]
Boxer Spirit: RUF CTR Yellow Bird '87 8-10 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
World Compact Car Race: HONDA S800 RSC Race Car '68 94ea A-Spec [Changed Oil & Tyres ONLY]
Supercar Festival: CIZETA V16T '94 NO A-Spec notes!:dunce: [Changed Oil & Tyres ONLY]

EXTREME HALL:
Gran Turismo All Stars: BMW MacLaren F1 GTR Race Car '97 157-181 A-Spec [Changed Oil & Tyres ONLY]
By FAR the BEST Series I ran! Full race report to follow soon.
Dream Car Championship: NISSAN GT-R Concept LM Race Car '02 7ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Like The Wind: VOLKSWAGEN Nardo W12 Concept '01 200 A-Spec [Changed Oil ONLY]
Polyphony Digital Cup: OPERA PERFORMANCE S2000 '04 4ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Formula GT World: SAUBER Mercedes C9 Race Car '89 55-90 A-Spec [Changed Oil & Tyres ONLY]

ENDURANCE HALL:
Laguna Seca 200 Miles: FORD GT40 Race Car '69
(Didn't run but NO Doubt it would win)


Nurburgring 4 Hours Endurance: Chaparral 2D Race Car '67 1 A-Spec Changed to S-1 Tyres ONLY!!!
Ran a short test...3.5 Minutes ahead at the end of 5 Laps!


El Captain 200 Miles: TOYOTA 88C-V Race Car (MINOLTA) '89
(Didn't actually run this one but NO Doubt it would win although it'd be a "Handfull" on Sport Tyres!):eek:


Sarthe Circuit 24 Hours I: AUDI R8 '01 7 A-Spec Changed Oil & R-3/R-2 Tyres ONLY!!!
I ran a 1.5 hour test during which I established a 3 minute lead in 26+ Laps & Lapped three of the five "AI". This against a "Stellar" field including the NISSAN Siblings [R-89 & R-92], an AUDI R-8, PESCAROLO & CORVETTE!!! This computes to about a 14 Lap lead over the R-92 by the end of 24 hours 👍


Sarthe Circuit 24 Hours II: BENTLEY Speed 8 Race Car '03 56 A-Spec Changed Oil & R-2/R-1 Tyres ONLY!!!
I was in 5th by the DUNLOP Bridge, narrowed the gap up to the Minolta TOYOTA's tailights right at the start of the Mulsanne...caught a "Slingshot" draft from him & passed the three front runners "Like Freight Train Passin' a Tramp!" Only ran a TEN LAP test this time but the Bentley's an OBVIOUS winner here! :) Over a minute ahead & everyone had pitted. Even talking into account losing HP & the Chassis going away The "Margin" would most likely be 12-13 Laps at the end! 👍


Suzuka 1000km: LISTER Storm V12 Race Car '99 10 A-Spec Changed Oil & R-1/R-2 Tyres ONLY!!!
I must post this one "Conditionally" as it would be VERY Close at the finish in my opinion! :eek: THANX to Smallhorses thread found HERE I knew somewhat what strategy the "AI" would use. Ran the test out to 30 Laps at which time I was 25 seconds in the lead...BUT...taking into account that I'd need to stop 6-7 more times for TYRES (The LISTER litterally "Chews" them up! :irked: ) I canNOT say w/certainty that the LISTER can win this thing. I hit my stride about lap #20 & ran off a string of sub 2'03s so I do THINK it's possible w/NO driver errors 👍
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Re-examination of my notes shows a lead of about 1+ Lap after 172 circuits "Should" be possible. By FAR the closest challenge I've found in the Endurance section!!!
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Fuji 1000km: NISSAN R92CP Race Car '92 10 A-Spec Changed to R-2/R-1 Tyres ONLY!!!
WOW!!! What a "Ride!" :eek: Believe it or not...I'd never before driven this thing! Absolutely murdered 'em! 👍 In 40 Laps ALL the "AI" were down by 2 Laps & three of 'em were down by more!!! I figure the 2nd place car would be down 10-12 Laps in the end !!!
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Motegi 8 Hours Endurance: HONDA NSX-R LM Edition Road Car '02 1 A-Spec NO Changes!!! NO Tyre Change...NO Oil Change!!!
I was forced to end the BLOOD Letting at the end of Lap #15 :indiff: What with putting 16-18 seconds per LAP on 'em...I lapped the back markers on Lap #6...then got the leaders half way thru Lap #8. In Eight Hours I calculate Second Place would be around 30 Laps behind!!! Even turned it over to "B-Spec Bernard" (I refuse to call mine "BOB") for a bit. Although he was 6-8 seconds off my pace it would still be a "Cakewalk"!!!
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Tokyo R246 300km: MITSUBISHI FTO Super Touring Car '97 73 A-Spec Changed Oil & R-1/R-2 Tyres ONLY!!!
FINALLY a race too close to just run a "Test" 👍 I truely did NOT think the FTO capable as PD has chosen to reduce the Down Force to a ridiculous level! :irked: BUT...After a little "Tweaking" & using an "Unusual" tyre combo, I found it was able to get the job done. Full "Race Report" can be found HERE.
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The following due to the "Sharp Eyes" of member "GeeTeeR" 👍 THANX...O.G.
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Tsukuba 9 Hours Endurance: NISSAN Skyline GT-R Race Car (CALSONIC) '93 1 A-Spec NO Changes!!! NO Tyre Change...NO Oil Change!!!
As surmised by "GeeTeeR", NO race to be found here. Ran a quick test & the only challenge would be NOT hitting the other competitors as you lap them numerous times.
 
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Special Condition Halls
I did NOT attempt ANY of the Snow/Ice Races! I didn't enjoy them the first time thru & opted against running them again! :mischievous:

SPECIAL CONDITION HALL (EASY):
Rally d' Umbria: CADILLAC CIEN '02 1/1 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Rally d' Capri: TOYOTA RSC Rally Raid Car '02 1/1 A-Spec [Changed to R-1 Tyres ONLY]
Grand Canyon: FORD RS200 '84 10/10 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY!!!
George Paris: ALPINE A310 1600VE '73 93/109 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!
Swiss Alps: MITSUBISHI CZ-3 Tarmac '01 9/60 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]
Tahiti: RENAULT 5 Turbo '80 175/175 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]
Tsukuba Circuit: MAZDA RX-8 Concept (Type-I) '01 108 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Cathedral Rocks (Trail I): LAND ROVER Range Stormer Concept '04 31/47 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]
Cathedral Rocks (Trail II): HYUNDAI HCD6 '01 72/102 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]

SPECIAL CONDITION HALL (NORMAL):
Rally d' Umbria: LANCIA Delta HF Integrale Rally Car '92 9/9 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Rally d' Capri: SUBARU IMPREZA Rally Car Prototype '01 9/9 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Grand Canyon: MITSUBISHI CZ-3 Tarmac Rally Car '02 4/5 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]
George Paris: RENAULT 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car '85 3/4 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Swiss Alps: TOYOTA CELICA GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST205) '95 45/45 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]
Tahiti: FORD Escort Rally Car '98 10/16 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]
Tsukuba Circuit: MAZDA Atenza Touring Car '02 197 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Cathedral Rocks (Trail I): SUBARU IMPREZA Rally Car '99 8/8 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]
Cathedral Rocks (Trail II): TOYOTA CELICA GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST185) '95 5/5 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]

SPECIAL CONDITION HALL (HARD):
Rally d' Umbria: LANCIA Delta S4 Rally Car '85 4/5 A-Spec [Changed to R-3s ONLY]
Rally d' Capri: FORD RS200 Rally Car '85 101/9 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
George Paris: PEUGEOT 205 Turbo 16 Evolution 2 Rally Car '86 60/38 A-Spec [Changed to R-1s / R-2s ONLY]
Tsukuba Circuit: FORD GT Concept '02 200 A-Spec [Changed Oil & Tyres to R-5s]
Cathedral Rocks (Trail I): SUZUKI ESCUDO Dirt Trial Car '98 1/1 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]
 
Global Events

JAPANESE HALL:
Japanese Championship: NISSAN Fairlady Z Concept LM Race Car '02 1ea A-Spec [Changed to S-3s ONLY]
Japanese GT Championship: NISSAN MOTUL PITWORK Z (JGTC) 8ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Japanese 70's Classic: NISSAN SKYLINE Hard Top 2000GT-R (KPGC10) '70 10-37 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

EUROPEAN HALL:
Pan Euro Championship: JAGUAR XJ220 LM Edition '01 4ea A-Spec [Changed to Sport Tyres ONLY]
British GT Series: JAGUAR E-Type Coupe '61 200ea A-Spec [Changed to S-3s & Trans/Driveline]
British Light Weight Series: LOTUS Europa Special '71 89-92 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

AMERICAN HALL:
Hot Rod Competition: CHEVROLET Chevelle SS 454 '70 42-69 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Muscle Car Competition: PLYMOUTH Super Bird '70 10-14 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
 
Manufacturers Race Events


Asia

HONDA:
CIVIC Race: HONDA CIVIC Si (Mugen Motul Race Car) '87 4ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

HYUNDAI:
Hyundai Sport Festival: HYUNDAI Clix '01 4ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

ISUZU:
Isuzu Classic Sport: ISUZU 117 Coupe '68 64-68 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

MAZDA:
RX-8 Cup: MAZDA RX-8 Concept LM Race Car '01 1ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

NISSAN:
Race of Red Emblem: NISMO SKYLINE GT-R LM Road Going Version (R33) '95 78-97 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
March Brothers: NISSAN mm-R Cup Car '01 1ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Silvia Sisters: NISSAN Sileighty '98 10-37 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
The most difficult thing about these races was finding the RIDE! :eek: They're NOT under NISSAN & there is NO "Sileighty" Dealer!!! I finally found mine by checking all FR Rides!!!
'Z' Club: NISSAN Fairlady 240ZG (HS30) '71 24-87 A-Spec [Changed Oil & Tyres to R-4s]

SUBARU:
Subaru 360 Race: SUBARU 360 '58 55 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Race of Pleiades: SUBARU IMPREZA Super Touring Car '01 1ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

SUZUKI:
Suzuki Concept Car: SUZUKI GSX-R/4 '01 10-27 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

TOYOTA:
Altezza Race: TOYOTA Altezza Touring Car '01 1ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Vitz Race: TOYOTA Vitz RS Turbo '02 13-21 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]


U.S.

CHEVROLET:
Vette! Vette! Vette!: Corvette Stingray Coupe (C2) '63 1ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
Camaro Meeting: CHEVROLET Camaro IROC-Z Concept '88 93ea A-Spec [Changed Trans ONLY]

SHELBY:
Shelby Cobra Cup: SHELBY Mustang G.T.350R '65 200ea A-Spec [Changed to R-1/R-2s + Trans/Driveline]
Another pleasant surprise! 👍 This ride is an absolute Dream to drive & helped to overcome my "Anti-FORD" bias to a degree!


Europe

ALFA ROMEO:
GTA Cup: ALFA ROMEO Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 '65 33-59 A-Spec [Changed Oil & Tyres to R-4s]

ALPINE:
Renault Alpine Cup: ALPINE A110 1600S '73 30ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

ASTON MARTIN:
Aston Martin Festival: ASTON MARTIN DB9 Coupe '03 81-83 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

BMW:
'M' Club: BMW M3 GTR '03 89ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

CITROEN:
2HP-2CV: CITROEN 2CV Type-A '54 48-52 A-Spec [Changed Oil ONLY]

LOTUS:
Elise Cup: LOTUS Elise Type-72 '01 47-103 A-Spec [Changed Tyres ONLY]
Lotus Classic Cup: LOTUS Elan S1 '62 66ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

MERCEDES-BENZ:
Legends of the Silver Arrow: MERCEDES-BENZ CLK Touring '00 1ea A-Spec [NO Mods]
SL Challenge: MERCEDES-BENZ 300 SL Coupe '54 84-155 A-Spec [Changed Oil & Tyres to R-3s]

MG:
MG Festival: MGF '97 62-63 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

RENAULT:
Clio Trophy: RENAULT Clio Sport Trophy V6 24V Race Car '00 79ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

TRIUMPH:
Spitfire Cup: TRIUMPH Spitfire 1500 '74 53ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

TVR:
Blackpool Racer: TVR Cerbera Speed 12 '00 1ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

VOLKSWAGEN:
GTI Cup: VOLKSWAGEN Golf I GTI '76 65-78 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

I was AMAZED :eek: at how much easier some of the races were this time! :eek: Especially the ultra low powered rides like the Citroen & Baby Subie! First time I needed tyres & more HP to best the "AI"...guess I've learned something in 9 months of GT4 after all! :lol::lol::lol:

As always...THANX for wading thru all this! 👍 PLEASE let me know if you find a mistake!!! Just hope it'll help someone to find a "Good Race" you may have overlooked!...O.G.
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Excellent! 👍
Thanks, Bob!
This should be stickied at the top of this board immediately!
Maybe a quick PM to one of the mods is in order O.G.! ;)
 
Omg, fantastic 'write up'! This thing has really lots of information, thank you very much! :) And I'm really looking forward to the McLaren report, I wanted to use that car (when I win it) in the GTWC or the GTAS. If you have won with a big margin, I will save money and buy the Panoz Esparante. Weird that noone ever thought about that car. It's far too slow for it's prize, but it might be the ultimate challenge! :) (I guess the Zonda Race car is slower than the Panoz and I only need 1.5 seconds)
 
Great stuff OG! How come you haven't won the Opel Speedster Cup with no engine mods, eh? Eh??? :dopey:

Honestly though, some useful stuff there!
 
Mr.Slow
Good job O.G.!!
But no mention of my Scrooge thread...100% completion with only prize cars (and the obligatory ~30 manufacturer purchases) :-(
THANX for the Kudos Mr.Slow! :cheers: I'll be sure to check out your thread!

Mr.Slow
Also, you can do the Begginer Lightweight Cup in the Autobianchi for ~30 points across the board. The Ginnetta is too much car for that series ;-)
I think you may have missed the most important part of MY thread. ALL the Series/Enduros were won WITH the "Prize Car" from that Series/Enduro! Thus I had NO choice but to use the AUTOBIANCHI A112 Abarth '79 for the Beginner Sunday Cup & the GINETTA G4 '64 for the Beginner Light Weight K Cup! 👍...O.G.
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My apologies O.G. I DID miss the most important part of you thread!!!

Must have been all the drinking I have been doing the past few days.... :-)
 
Great report!! I'd like to find more time, but I'm eeking out about an hour a day, between a busy medical practice, twin kids and a wife who is scared that I'm going to do a few more all nighters - had 4 since I got PS2 and GT4 3 weeks ago - got all my licenses in one all nighter. Would like to savour a bit more, but that's life.
Live vicariously - I like the comment attached to FastEddie12's post "Never put off till tomorrow what you can leave till next week..."

Great forum
 
Great report!! I'd like to find more time, but I'm eeking out about an hour a day, between a busy medical practice, twin kids and a wife who is scared that I'm going to do a few more all nighters - had 4 since I got PS2 and GT4 3 weeks ago - got all my licenses in one all nighter. Would like to savour a bit more, but that's life.
Live vicariously - I like the comment attached to FastEddie12's post "Never put off till tomorrow what you can leave till next week..."

Great forum
 
is the Honda Civic Gathers Drider car a prize car?? if yes, how come i can't find it in the list??
 
hey guys...i know this is kind of off-the -topic reply BUT i desperately need a little help here... you see i raced in the endurance hall under grand valley 300 km on b-spec... i was hoping to get the mercedez benz c9 sauber as a prize car, however i got an auto union streamlined race car that dates back to 1940's 0r something...i tried to race for the second time hoping the prize car would change but it didn't. i still got the same weird looking vintage race car.. i really want the mercedez sauber....pls..if anyone has the same experience or know how to get the mercedez sauber pls help...tnx guys..
 
We help those that help themselves here.
Your answer if you can be bothered to look, is in Post #1 the prizecar thread I linked to in your last locked thread.
Have a quick look, or would you like to be spoonfed like a baby?

"pls" & "tnx" are not real words, you need to use capital letters where appropriate too please. ;)
 
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