Project Motor Racing General Discussion

[DapperDan07]

PC2 is still the best console racer, and quite honestly given the tiny car count and track list oof PMR, will remain so for possibly all time. If PMR 'adds' more cars and tracks each new iteration without losing any, it will most likely be PMR3 before it gets close to PC2.

I’m all for quality over quantity. Gt7 has hundreds of cars i never use and circuits/layouts that never feature in daily races or weekly challenges.

 

[RolexGTP]

I think PC2 had a perfect balance of quality and quantity. Nearly 200 cars with no mods and around 50 different track locales with many different ribbons was perfect for a game like that. It wasn't the most polished looking game at times but with its weather effects and how it affected the track plus its robust in depth career mode, it was acceptable. With PMR starting with a measly 80ish cars and less than 20 track locations that's a bit small but hopefully even after the DLC and some mods it can surpass PC2. Graphically so far it looks like a step up.

 

[kjb]

How quick we all forget...

No, Ian Bell stole nothing from me. The buyers of PC3, on the other hand...

PC2 is still the best console racer, and quite honestly given the tiny car count and track list oof PMR, will remain so for possibly all time. If PMR 'adds' more cars and tracks each new iteration without losing any, it will most likely be PMR3 before it gets close to PC2.

Why am I mad (not even slightly!) at Ian Bell? Because I'm still playing a seven year old game because he blew his chance to fix the bugs in PC2 and just add some more content, which is ALL the player base wanted for PC3. Instead, he wasted his time on a vaporware console, the worst mobile racer ever made, and a halfhearted port to turn it into a pretty universally reviled arcade racer by removing more stuff than he added.

The curse of not having a short attention span, I guess!

If you're awaiting this game with bated breath after having gone through the frustration of the Shift 1-2/PC1-2-3 years, kudos! You've either got a lot more trust than me, or you have that disease that destroys your ability to form lasting memories..!

I know all about Ian Bell. I could care less about what he is says. He is trying to sell games just like everybody else. I take what he says with a grain of salt. I enjoyed all the PC games even 3 ( I know crazy right) PC3 should have had a different name I enjoy for it being arcadey. I liked the Shift 1 but Shift 2 not so much. TBH I don't plan on getting PMR 1st day as I plan on waiting before buying. Nowadays I do that with all games no matter how excited I get for them

 

[Pearl Jam]

PC2 is still the best console racer

Debatable

 

[MagpieRacer]

PC2 is still the best console racer, and quite honestly given the tiny car count and track list oof PMR, will remain so for possibly all time. If PMR 'adds' more cars and tracks each new iteration without losing any, it will most likely be PMR3 before it gets close to PC2.

PC2 doesn't even make it into my top 5 console racers. You're also missing the point with the car count of PMR.

 

[Fossilized]

I think PC2 had a perfect balance of quality and quantity. Nearly 200 cars with no mods and around 50 different track locales with many different ribbons was perfect for a game like that. It wasn't the most polished looking game at times but with its weather effects and how it affected the track plus its robust in depth career mode, it was acceptable. With PMR starting with a measly 80ish cars and less than 20 track locations that's a bit small but hopefully even after the DLC and some mods it can surpass PC2. Graphically so far it looks like a step up.

At least somebody gets the point.

The rest seem so desperate for ANYTHING that they'll happily turn a blind eye to 16 years of unfulfilled promises, half finished games and an ADHD CEO who couldn't focus on any one game long enough to make it compete with the best of the genre.

Look, no one's going to be happier than me if Bell finally gets it together. Sadly, I can't help remembering all the other half finished unrealized products I put my money into with nothing more that their word that THIS TIME things would be better.

So sorry guys. The blindfold's off. Have fun being beta testers for the next 18 months. I could post screenshot after screenshot of the bug forum on SMS's PC2 site, but it seems like reality is the last thing anyone here (mostly!) wants to read. So carry on, fella's. Keep hoping.

I mean, a leopard CAN change its spots, right..? 🤣

 

[Nebuc72]

At least somebody gets the point.

The rest seem so desperate for ANYTHING that they'll happily turn a blind eye to 16 years of unfulfilled promises, half finished games and an ADHD CEO who couldn't focus on any one game long enough to make it compete with the best of the genre.

Look, no one's going to be happier than me if Bell finally gets it together. Sadly, I can't help remembering all the other half finished unrealized products I put my money into with nothing more that their word that THIS TIME things would be better.

So sorry guys. The blindfold's off. Have fun being beta testers for the next 18 months. I could post screenshot after screenshot of the bug forum on SMS's PC2 site, but it seems like reality is the last thing anyone here (mostly!) wants to read. So carry on, fella's. Keep hoping.

I mean, a leopard CAN change its spots, right..? 🤣

This isn't healthy behaviour man.

 

[MagpieRacer]

At least somebody gets the point.

The rest seem so desperate for ANYTHING that they'll happily turn a blind eye to 16 years of unfulfilled promises, half finished games and an ADHD CEO who couldn't focus on any one game long enough to make it compete with the best of the genre.

Look, no one's going to be happier than me if Bell finally gets it together. Sadly, I can't help remembering all the other half finished unrealized products I put my money into with nothing more that their word that THIS TIME things would be better.

So sorry guys. The blindfold's off. Have fun being beta testers for the next 18 months. I could post screenshot after screenshot of the bug forum on SMS's PC2 site, but it seems like reality is the last thing anyone here (mostly!) wants to read. So carry on, fella's. Keep hoping.

I mean, a leopard CAN change its spots, right..? 🤣

What other unfinished/unrealized products can you elaborate further with?

 

[IfAndOr]

I mean, a leopard CAN change its spots, right..?

I'm not sure that you could anyway. Aptly, you seem very fossilized in your views, particularly about Ian Bell. The Devil incarnate it seems!

Let's just wait and see what the game is like fella. Save your griping about the game until there is something to gripe about. It makes no sense. It's not out for a few months yet and you're already running it down!

 

[Hun200kmh]

It is a vain effort to try to get everyone in agreement about what makes a good or indeed great console racer. Some people like things that others don't care much about, and vice-versa.

Whatever the case ... PC2 is the greatest console racer I have ever had the pleasure to play. And the one I played the longest (what was it, 7 years ? )

My top 5, very different games, I rate them from the pleasure I got from (and time spent while) playing them

1. Project Cars 2 (the best, most complete, more immersive, etc etc) - PS4
2. GT3 (the first love) - PS2
3. Enthusia (physics beyond its era, made me shelve GT4) - PS2
4. GT5 (extensive online playing for the first time. A whole new world) - PS3
5. Le Mans 24 Hours (Day and night, sun and rain ... 24 hour races you could save and return to the next evening, all in a PS2)

Honourable mentions - TRD2 and TRD3 (PS2). AC (PS4)

Back to PMR, whatever reservations I might also have after the fiasco that was PC3, truth is that this may be the game that makes me buy a PS5. Or indeed make a move to PC, last few generations of games I increasingly feel that I'm missing out just to keep on a system that allows me to play Gran Turismo, a game whose latest iterations were just a waste of money for me.

 

[McLaren]

The rest seem so desperate for ANYTHING that they'll happily turn a blind eye to 16 years of unfulfilled promises

As opposed to someone so desperate to grind the axe, they spend 3 years repeating themselves & ironically insinuating brain damage onto others.

These are your first rants starting in 2022 & you've done nothing but repost them to this day. I think your point was made years ago; Ian can't finish games and everyone else is stupid.

I wonder if Ian Bell’s business model can survive the likely complete lack of pre-orders (not that many idiots left who trust a word he says without hard evidence) and most of the base waiting until the laundry list of likely bugs actually get fixed instead of trusting him to do it AFTER they give him their money?

The wise amongst us won’t be buying this until it has been out almost a year and the bugs actually fixed. Which basically means, no sales. Ever.

After that, you MIGHT actually be getting an honest impression. You will NEVER get one from Ian Bell.

People rightly blame Ian Bell for basically taking the best all round console racing game and leaving it unfinished and crippled, then wasting four years on a laundry list of ventures that anyone with half a brain knew were a waste of time and money. Time and money that, if put into a PC2 successor that built on its strengths and fixed the odd thing would have given GT7 a serious challenge.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Project Cars 2 wasn't perfect but it did a lot of things right and I had many fun and varied experiences that kept me coming back for more. Compared to GT Sport, it was far more realistic and much closer to real life with a complete weather and time system. The tyre model was far better because you had to manage the temps and if you drove the car consistently, you could sometimes find yourself in an advantageous position. I remember scoring a few podiums as a result. But yes, I must have brain damage for supporting Ian Bell's work...

 

[Fezzik]

Interesting and positive comparisons with the likes of AC, RF2, PC2, AM2 and GT7. Clearly this person is another for the brain surgery queue.

And another

Game felt good, physics was better than AMBS2 but slightly less than LMU. Overall liked it

All these poor people, deceived by the villanous Mr Bell!

@Hun200kmh if you're a sim racer & Gran Turismo is all that's keeping you on console, switching to PC is very likely the best choice for you. More variety, more mod support, more VR support if that's your thing. I really like GT but it wouldn't keep me in the Playstation ecosystem by itself.

 

[Fezzik]

Assuming the current achievement/trophy lists aren't just placeholders, it's a good job I don't hunt Platinums.

Online Veteran achievement in Project Motor Racing

How to unlock the Online Veteran achievement in Project Motor Racing: Won your 10th Race In Ranked Online. This achievement is worth 125 Gamerscore.

www.trueachievements.com

I still haven't won 10 races in all my time with GT7 online

 

[Fossilized]

So sorry. I looked over the terms and conditions of the forum and couldn't find anywhere that mandated a complete loss of memory and slavish acceptance of whatever fever dream the majority keep themselves happy with.

The level of amnesia here is quite amazing. I am COMPLETELY sure that, if one could be bothered (I sure can't, unlike some here!) to go back to when anyone ACTUALLY was playing Shift, or PC1/2, I would find the same negativity about Ian Bell's inability to finish a game in post after post from the same people now rushing to his (completely unnecessary) defense.

He's a rich man, courtesy of those too desperate for a new game they were willing to overlook the dubious end of every other game associated with him. Name ONE game from him that didn't get delisted long before the laundry list of bugs got patched... ONE. Bueller? Bueller?

Two Shift games, three Project Cars games, one mobile game. Consistency from start to finish. Admit it, at the time they were first out, you complained about the bugs. Admit it, towards the end of EVERY game, you complained they remained buggy, and hoped the next game would be different. And probably tore at the throat of anyone pointing out the trend.

Since Shift.

Here we go again.

 

[Nebuc72]

So sorry. I looked over the terms and conditions of the forum and couldn't find anywhere that mandated a complete loss of memory and slavish acceptance of whatever fever dream the majority keep themselves happy with.

The level of amnesia here is quite amazing. I am COMPLETELY sure that, if one could be bothered (I sure can't, unlike some here!) to go back to when anyone ACTUALLY was playing Shift, or PC1/2, I would find the same negativity about Ian Bell's inability to finish a game in post after post from the same people now rushing to his (completely unnecessary) defense.

He's a rich man, courtesy of those too desperate for a new game they were willing to overlook the dubious end of every other game associated with him. Name ONE game from him that didn't get delisted long before the laundry list of bugs got patched... ONE. Bueller? Bueller?

Two Shift games, three Project Cars games, one mobile game. Consistency from start to finish. Admit it, at the time they were first out, you complained about the bugs. Admit it, towards the end of EVERY game, you complained they remained buggy, and hoped the next game would be different. And probably tore at the throat of anyone pointing out the trend.

Since Shift.

Here we go again.

Actually I enjoy the games Ian Bell has made and look forward to his next one 👍

 

[RACECAR]

Man, there has to be something better to do then just spew the same thing over and over again. There is no way this is healthy. I've had games that really burned me (and certain devs for sure) but you know what I did next? Stopped playing them and stopped paying attention to them, period. This can't be doing anything good for your mind and spirit.

Not to imply that this is going to happen (That would be too extreme) but of all the hills to die on and in light of real events going on, is this really the one you're willing to have setup your tombstone for? This likewise goes for those who, let's be frank, mindlessly defend their favorite franchise and ignore the flaws and issues because it IS their identity.

 

[Fossilized]

Actually I enjoy the games Ian Bell has made and look forward to his next one 👍

We all did. I still play PC2 as my primary racer. But that doesn't mean that the bugs didn't get fixed, that knee jerk game decisions during the launch or soon after (taking away a host's ability to removes a griefer because a tiny few were using it to grind Safety ratings anyone? Remember that decision that KILLED clean casual rooms? Never fixed...) remained despite YEARS of the base requesting it.

What grinds my gears isn't how BAD Bell's games were, but how CLOSE they came to greatness only to lose interest and walk away leaving us yards short of the goal line.

I distinctly remember the base's anticipation of PC3, with little demands other than more content and the glaring bugs fixed. We'd have HAPPILY ponied up full retail on pre-order for just THAT. PMR feels like a sequel to PC2 only with LESS content and God knows how many bugs that it will be hit or miss whether they get fixed or not.

I'll be getting this one after a year has gone by. Maybe just for fun I'll post a few quotes from here if anyone has the honesty to complain about the bugs and the hit or miss nature of the cars. Just as an antidote to the amnesia...

 

[AEKara38]

At some point that button is too tempting.

 

[MagpieRacer]

PMR feels like a sequel to PC2 only with LESS content and God knows how many bugs that it will be hit or miss whether they get fixed or not.

This is one of the issues with what you're saying though, this isn't a sequel to PC2, It's a sequel to GTR. If you stop viewing it as something's it not and view it as what it was marketed as from the start, the content is absolutely fine, it's curated in a very specific way. Not too dissimilar to Assetto Corsa Competizione.

 

[kjb]

Nobody is expecting the game to be without bugs. I have been gaming a looong time and I have not played a game yet that has no issues of some kind. The thing is are they game breaking for me? If is then I won't play it anymore but if not I will play it in spite of the bugs. There are a lot of things I don't like about PC2 but I still play it same with PC3. GT7 has a lot of issues but it my most played game. At the end of day I don't get wrapped up in what devs say. My only concern is do I enjoy playing the game?

 

[Fezzik]

The vehicle roster is filling out nicely. A mid-2000s GT & N-GT multiclass championship with the current confirmed lineup has great potential, just needs a Ferrari for completeness.

Lister Storm
Saleen SL-R
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT
Aston Martin DBR9


Gillet Vertigo
Mosler MT900R
TVR Tuscan T400R
Morgan Aero 8
Marcos Mantara LM600
Porsche 911 GT3-RSR

 

[MagpieRacer]

The vehicle roster is filling out nicely. A mid-2000s GT & N-GT multiclass championship with the current confirmed lineup has great potential, just needs a Ferrari for completeness.

The Ferrari 550 Maranello Prodrive GT1 is my favourite circuit racing car of all time. If that makes it in, I'll preorder immediately.

 

[ScottPuss20]

The Ferrari 550 Maranello Prodrive GT1 is my favourite circuit racing car of all time. If that makes it in, I'll preorder immediately.

I wonder if the 430 GTC will make an appearance...

 

[Fezzik]

The Ferrari 550 Maranello Prodrive GT1 is my favourite circuit racing car of all time. If that makes it in, I'll preorder immediately.

I think you might be parting with some cash then.

They’ve also updated the track page with some more info. “Northampton” has 3 layouts, so the National circuit will be there ready for when they add Super Tourers.

 

[egl92]

The Ferrari 550 Maranello Prodrive GT1 is my favourite circuit racing car of all time. If that makes it in, I'll preorder immediately.

Xbox Achievements:

GTR2 Brianza Pole – You beat BMS Scuderia Italia’s GT lap time of 1:43.509 at Brianza (Monza)

GTR2 Spa Pole – You beat BMS Scuderia Italia’s GT lap time of 2:18.864* at Spa-Francorchamps

GTR2 was based on 2004 season, that year BMS Scuderia Italia used the Prodrive Ferrari 550 GTS.

This isn't a confirmation that it will appear in the game.

There's another achievement, beat Mike Conway's* time at Interlagos, and I don't think the Toyota GR010 will make an appearance.
Or maybe yes, who knows... Valkyrie is confirmed.

But I'm more optimistic about the Ferrari. Images of the 550 GTS were shown when PMR was still GTRevival.

If PMR wants to pay tribute to GTR2, there are three cars that absolutely have to be there: 550 GTS, Viper GTS-R and Maserati MC12 GT1.

*The real pole time at Spa was 2:15.047 *Although they shared the car, that time was set by Kobayashi no Conway.

 

[whannel]

Looks like the Gamescom demo had the ffb turned down for some...

 

[Pearl Jam]

So sorry. I looked over the terms and conditions of the forum and couldn't find anywhere that mandated a complete loss of memory and slavish acceptance of whatever fever dream the majority keep themselves happy with.

The level of amnesia here is quite amazing. I am COMPLETELY sure that, if one could be bothered (I sure can't, unlike some here!) to go back to when anyone ACTUALLY was playing Shift, or PC1/2, I would find the same negativity about Ian Bell's inability to finish a game in post after post from the same people now rushing to his (completely unnecessary) defense.

He's a rich man, courtesy of those too desperate for a new game they were willing to overlook the dubious end of every other game associated with him. Name ONE game from him that didn't get delisted long before the laundry list of bugs got patched... ONE. Bueller? Bueller?

Two Shift games, three Project Cars games, one mobile game. Consistency from start to finish. Admit it, at the time they were first out, you complained about the bugs. Admit it, towards the end of EVERY game, you complained they remained buggy, and hoped the next game would be different. And probably tore at the throat of anyone pointing out the trend.

Since Shift.

Here we go again.

Give it a rest will you, yes we understand you don’t like the man and you’re actually getting on my tits now with the relentless agenda in every single post.. why are you in this thread anyway if the guy is so toxic and his games are unfinished messes ? I’m assuming you won’t be purchasing it as it would be against your principles so I’ll ask again, just why are you in this thread anyway?

 

[Gorefast]

Give it a rest will you, yes we understand you don’t like the man and you’re actually getting on my tits now with the relentless agenda in every single post.. why are you in this thread anyway if the guy is so toxic and his games are unfinished messes ? I’m assuming you won’t be purchasing it as it would be against your principles so I’ll ask again, just why are you in this thread anyway?

Maybe he just want to save our souls (= Euros). For me it might be too late as I enjoy some enthusiastic excitement from time to time and join the hype train... 😄

 

[PJTierney]

GTP’s Ignore feature is pretty neat.