Proof that the Nascar has inflated difficulty

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Well after doing some races I decided to check and see if PD had fixed the mess up of mandatory ASM for the Jeff Gordon school of stupid driving/Nascar events. Well they haven't done anything but after checking out the reply, the AI cars DO NOT HAVE ASM on and are not affected. Thus PD has to have a fake difficulty setting to make it seem challenging/hard.


Don't believe me go and do the final event and then watch the replys you'll see that the AI goes flying around the corners and the ASM notification doesn't light up.
 
Are you having touble with the events or something. Otherwise, I fail to see the issue here. If your not having a problem golding these, then it shouldn't be an issue.
 
If they didn't force ASM on I would've had it all golden long ago. But since 1.05-1.06 where they force ASM(making ABS minmum1) I can't do anything better then bronze.
 
You're suppose to draft to get to the front...that's the point of the school, to teach you how to draft properly.
 
grzajabarkus
You're suppose to draft to get to the front...that's the point of the school, to teach you how to draft properly.
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Yea but it is hard to draft a car when you have ASM on and they don't. You get even a little sideways and you loose 50+hp while they continue to zoom away.
 
grzajabarkus
You're suppose to draft to get to the front...that's the point of the school, to teach you how to draft properly.
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Exactly. I can do these with no problem. Matter of fact, just did them again yesturday on a new account just so I could get the ticket prizes. 10-15min, golded, with all three tickets. Not that hard. Keep at it and draft where you need to.
 
Difficulty or not, this is a problem worth shouting about. Forcing ASM on is ridiculous, let alone SRF for a few events. I don't even play A-Spec and I think it's ridiculous.
 
I disagree with the ones bragging about golding these events. What the OP is pointing out is the fact that the game forces ASM on your car so it´s deliberately slower than the A.I, and that´s not correct. Yes it teaches you how to draft, but it forces you not to do it right. Is like teaching a child to write, and at the same time forbiting him to use his hands.

The challenges are not easy with the ASM on. The ones that say it was a piece of cake, they don´t fool anyone. They made it, I belive them, but I´m dead sure most of them struggled big time.
 
Ya its hard when you dont know the technique, but after you learn it, its fairly easy. I have.the nascar events all gold, myself.
 
HuskyGT
I also have them in gold. But that´s not the point, as you might have already know.
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I understand your point. But I also understand the need for difficulty. Without any difficulty people would complain beating the game within the first week. I dont know, if they really took off asm on our car, would it really make you a better driver, or just make the game easier?
 
grzajabarkus
I understand your point. But I also understand the need for difficulty. Without any difficulty people would complain beating the game within the first week. I dont know, if they really took off asm on our car, would it really make you a better driver, or just make the game easier?
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Well, you have a point there. As long as the developers don´t abuse the difficulty to an unrealistic level, it´s ok.
 
HuskyGT
I disagree with the ones bragging about golding these events. What the OP is pointing out is the fact that the game forces ASM on your car so it´s deliberately slower than the A.I, and that´s not correct. Yes it teaches you how to draft, but it forces you not to do it right. Is like teaching a child to write, and at the same time forbiting him to use his hands.

The challenges are not easy with the ASM on. The ones that say it was a piece of cake, they don´t fool anyone. They made it, I belive them, but I´m dead sure most of them struggled big time.
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Sorry bro, but your wrong. Not saying I'm great, but I never struggled with these events, ever. The way I took the OP is he's upset and thinks its unfair just because he can't gold them. Yes, it may be backwards, but there is nothing you can do about it except deal with it. NASCAR is a different animal than other forms of racing. You have to really understand the draft and how to use it. Also, I'm not trying to fool anyone. I have nothing to gain by lieing about something so trivial.
 
KB18FAN
Sorry bro, but your wrong. Not saying I'm great, but I never struggled with these events, ever. The way I took the OP is he's upset and thinks its unfair just because he can't gold them. Yes, it may be backwards, but there is nothing you can do about it except deal with it. NASCAR is a different animal than other forms of racing. You have to really understand the draft and how to use it. Also, I'm not trying to fool anyone. I have nothing to gain by lieing about something so trivial.
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Well, I see that you´re a NASCAR connoisseur, so I respect your point of view. Yet still, the OP seemed to be bothered by the ASM thing, and not the fact that he couldn´t gold them. Or who knows, maybe it´s true what you say that he had a hard time because of this, and that was more of a complaint because of the difficulty.

Me, I did find problems golding these. But to be honest, I didn´t bothered after the second try, since I´m not a patient guy, and I´m not much of a NASCAR fan either. I just turned off the ABS, knowing it would deactivate the ASM, and I gold them in no time. I just wanted the prize money and tickets.

Eitherway, many people, if not everyone have golded these things by know, so... whatever...
 
NotSoSilentBob
Well after doing some races I decided to check and see if PD had fixed the mess up of mandatory ASM for the Jeff Gordon school of stupid driving/Nascar events. Well they haven't done anything but after checking out the reply, the AI cars DO NOT HAVE ASM on and are not affected. Thus PD has to have a fake difficulty setting to make it seem challenging/hard.


Don't believe me go and do the final event and then watch the replys you'll see that the AI goes flying around the corners and the ASM notification doesn't light up.
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Yeah, those events are pretty rigged and really pathetic. I wouldn't bother with them to be quite honest mate. Just search the forums here for Nascar setups and race online. If you're into the Nascar part of the game that is. Drive between a bunch of traffic cones and stop again, whoop-de-do, that really taught me something!!
 
HuskyGT
Yes it teaches you how to draft, but it forces you not to do it right. Is like teaching a child to write, and at the same time forbiting him to use his hands.
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I am sorry, but this is a bad and unfair comparison; it always bugs me people blow things out of proportion like so.
You can still draft with an assist that slows the vehicle.
You cannot write without your hands (I am ignoring silly and incredibly rare exceptions like foot and mouth writing).

A proper comparison may be more like:
- writing, no hands = drafting, no steering wheel.
Clearly this isn't the case. It would be...
- writing, incorrect style of holding (the writing utensil) = drafting, ASM

With the latter, even though one would be disadvantaged, it can be done with enough practice. Afterwards, it's not difficult to retrain with correct conditions.
 
KB18FAN
Sorry bro, but your wrong. Yes, it may be backwards, but there is nothing you can do about it except deal with it.
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Actually there is something we can do- hop on GTPlanet and let it be known. That's precisely what this forum is for, no? Should we not be opening each others minds to better possibilities, instead of trying to close them? Sup with that?


The actual CORE of this issue is that the A.I. is so bad that PD must resort to these trifling tactics to fabricate a "hard" challenge- and that's straight BS.

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(ps, listening to Kyle's spotter the other night as he risked a man's life and crashed himself was absolutely priceless )

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The ABS 1 was done in 1.06(same update the changed the nice grand tour toscan night challenge track).

I know you have to draft to win but when you hit the corners you lose so much speed and the AI behind you just wizz past.

I tried to be as careful as i can with the analog sticks but it can't be done with the DS3.

This seems to be yet another example of Kaz making this game "steering wheel only".
If Kaz gave me $500 to get a logitech G25/G27 i will get one, but i am not going to waste what little money i have on a cheap wheel.
 
Grayfox
I tried to be as careful as i can with the analog sticks but it can't be done with the DS3.

This seems to be yet another example of Kaz making this game "steering wheel only".
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Not true at all, I play with the DS3, and sure it may be harder, but not impossible.
 
They locked on the ASM [even in RTS adjustments] several updates ago. Quite sad. This has been discussed ad nauseam months ago. The ASM is like an involuntary auto brake! Chances on Golding the final event are very slim since they locked it. I'm glad I got it done 11 months ago!

File your complaint at: twitter.com/Kaz_Yamauchi
 
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Thanks all for posting but I only pointed this out for everyone to see that yes PD has to handicap the user. If they would get the AI straightened out the ASM would be needed to be there.
 
researchALLwars
Actually there is something we can do- hop on GTPlanet and let it be known. That's precisely what this forum is for, no? Should we not be opening each others minds to better possibilities, instead of trying to close them? Sup with that?


The actual CORE of this issue is that the A.I. is so bad that PD must resort to these trifling tactics to fabricate a "hard" challenge- and that's straight BS.

👎

(ps, listening to Kyle's spotter the other night as he risked a man's life and crashed himself was absolutely priceless )

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Nice try there bro at taking a shot at me just because I'm a KB fan. He's not the first one to do something stipid and controversial and I'm sure he won't be the last so just give it up and stop trying to start crap.
 
hahaha sorry man, I wasn't trying to start crap, persay.... But you know what I mean about the spotter. He couldn't believe it, and neither could the rest of us.

No hard feelings, ever.
 
researchALLwars
hahaha sorry man, I wasn't trying to start crap, persay.... But you know what I mean about the spotter. He couldn't believe it, and neither could the rest of us.

No hard feelings, ever.
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Yea, what he did was very stupid and idiotic. I am very disappointed with his actions although I still hold out hope for the kid. No problem tho, just thought you were one of those KB hater kids that like to start crap with me.
 
Grayfox
The ABS 1 was done in 1.06(same update the changed the nice grand tour toscan night challenge track).

I know you have to draft to win but when you hit the corners you lose so much speed and the AI behind you just wizz past.

I tried to be as careful as i can with the analog sticks but it can't be done with the DS3.

This seems to be yet another example of Kaz making this game "steering wheel only".
If Kaz gave me $500 to get a logitech G25/G27 i will get one, but i am not going to waste what little money i have on a cheap wheel.
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I had the hardest time with this challenge for a while because of said issue in the corners. I also play witha DS3 and for a while, I too thought it couldn't be done with a DS3. I kept trying and after many times I finally did it through lots of practice. So to say it can't be done with a DS3 is not true.
 
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You can do it with the DS3 it just takes some patience and luck. My old PS3 went YLOD and I hadn't backed anything up so I'm starting the game over and I did this event just a couple weeks ago.

It's pretty hard, you basically need to be about 1.7 seconds back or less at the first time split. If you're that close then you can draft and catch up, and hopefully get the win at the end. I used steering sensitivity at 7 if that helps you any.
 
I did these on my DS3 before the update, but I didn't know that putting ABS off turned ASM off also. It was pretty difficult. When I found out you could turn it off I went back and had another go and it was very easy, didn't even have to draft as on the banked turns at Daytona the AI were always 5mph+ slower than you.

I have since done them again on a new save (GTP account save) with a wheel, after the update which forced ASM on and it was still pretty difficult, especially the one where you are exiting the pits, you have to get a boost from the car behind to get up to speed otherwise it's pretty much impossible.

They really need to change it back, ASM cripples you at Daytona. Not so much at Indy though, there the AI is too slow in any event.
 
I did these before the "ASM forced on" fiasco, but I do remember not figuring out how to turn it off until after many attempts.

I agree that the last event can be golded, but the earlier one with the cones where you have to take the whole corner using the high line... not so much. I tried it probably close to 100 times with the ASM on, and even with a flawless attempt, i was like 0.2 off or some such.
 
I am not even close to being a really good player and I golded all the Jeff Gordon events with the DS3. It's definitely possible. Just keep at it.
 

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