Prove that you exist, I dare you.

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danoff
You're blatently failing to prove your existances (see below).

I don't know. Prove it. You claim that if you were AI you would exist. That since I can see, touch, or hear you - that prove that you exist. But it doesn't. Perhaps I am imagining this entire discussion. Perhaps the whole thing is a hallucination of mine. Prove to me that you're not a hallucination. Prove to me that my perceptions (taste, touch, smell) are real.

If I Were Withing A Close Proxemity Of You, And Were To Smack You Upside the head, Would You belive I Exist? Since I Cant Smack You Over The Internet, You Could Say i Dont Exist, But If I Physicly Hit You Would You belive I Existed?

Perhaps I don't exist. Perhaps you're simply imagining that I claimed your identity. Perhaps God is tricking you into thinking that I exist when in fact only God exists.

But God Doesnt Exist, Unlike Me, I have Shown i Can Respond To Question Posed At Me, I Can Talk To Those Around Me, If So Many People Claim God Exists, Why Can he Respond To Us, In A Way We Know It Him Responding?

I think you just went circular on yourself. Prove to me that this conversation exists. Prove to me that 2 substances of organic matter are conversing. Perhaps I am imagining the discussion.

So? Would Something That Did Not Exist Be Able To Do That.

I can prove to myself that I exist. I know I have thoughts. I know this because I perceive something which I call a thought. I define myself to be the thinker of my thoughts. That much I can prove - but only to myself.


I Can Also Do That, I Can Also Prove I Exist To Everyone Around Me. It's Really Simple To Start A Conversation.

Are you typing? I don't know that. I can't see your hands. Even if I could how can I trust my eyes or ears? How do I know that my brian interprets their signals correctly - or that I even have eyes or ears? You cannot know that your hands are typing. Perhaps you're imagining your hands typing.

I Cant See You Typing Either, but I Belive You Exist Because Your Creating A Response To My Questions.

Im Going To Make This Really Short, Why Dont You Spend Some Time Proving You Exist, i Appear To be One Of The Few Trying To Prove My Existence, Why Dont You?
 
Proving existance of ones self is nothing if existance itself is in question. What we know as existance may not actually be...
 
spock
If I Were Withing A Close Proxemity Of You, And Were To Smack You Upside the head, Would You belive I Exist? Since I Cant Smack You Over The Internet, You Could Say i Dont Exist, But If I Physicly Hit You Would You belive I Existed?

No. The impact could be a creation of my brain.

spock
I Can Also Do That, I Can Also Prove I Exist To Everyone Around Me. It's Really Simple To Start A Conversation.

And your brain could be creating the conversation as a free-form delusion.

spock
I Cant See You Typing Either, but I Belive You Exist Because Your Creating A Response To My Questions.

But am I? Or is your brain just imagining that I'm responding?

Here's the key - everything you know and experience is created by your brain. It may arise as signals from nerves from your eyes, ears, nose, mouth, skin etc., but it's all created up there. Only things you can detect can you know to exist - but CAN you really detect them, or is your brain just telling you that you're detecting something, when really there's nothing to detect?

The only existence you can prove is your own to yourself. Everything else could be a creation of your own brain.
 
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It's located under every post you make. If you want to add something to it, use that button. It is your friend.


spock
But God Doesnt Exist, Unlike Me, I have Shown i Can Respond To Question Posed At Me, I Can Talk To Those Around Me, If So Many People Claim God Exists, Why Can he Respond To Us, In A Way We Know It Him Responding?

But you don't exist, unlike me. I have shown that I can respond to questions posed to me. I can talk to those around me. If so many people claim you exist, why can't you respond to us in a way we know it is you responding? :dopey:

At this point, God's existence is just as tangible as your own.
 
The fact that I'm typing this message and you can read it is proof that I exist. In what capacity do I exist, that is another question. But the fact that you can read this message means that I at least exist within your mind.
 
Does it really matter? I exist, I don't exist: either way, I do the same things and have a damn good time doing them.

Let's not waste time asking questions that can't be answered.
 
I think the question is not whether(1) or not we exist in this world using hard backround and information about us, but maybe if we are all just in our imaginations, if we might not be real, but then if this were all in my imagination i must be real.


1-I dont know how to spell what that word may sound like phonetically(2).
2-Is phonetically a word?
 
Since we're straying from the personal existence to the universal existence, let's try to get back on track. It's this simple.

If you can describe the universe that you perceive in minute detail, if you can dissect it, uncover layer after layer of reality underneath... if the simulation is that detailed, who's to say it isn't reality?

Admittedly, science shows that our perception of the external world is shaped by our preconceptions of what should be there. Case in point: in a study done with interviewees, two objects in their environment are changed abruptly, outside of their focus. Most of them don't notice the second change, despite the fact that it is the interviewer that has changed. If I write purple and ask you what color it is, chances are, you'll say purple.

Many people cannot perceive things that are outside their experience properly, and try to fit it within the framework of previous knowledge and experiences. None of your memories are real. They are digital reconstructions from your past. You remember like this:

1. I got on my bike when I was ten, and got chased by a dog.
2. It was a red bike
3. It was a white dog
4. Was it a poodle? Maybe... put that in there
5. Was it a BMX? Must have been, couldn't ride a big bike back then, put that in there
6. Where was it? Old house? Call up the props department, need a background.
7. Okay, assemble the set, cue the action, and...

Similarly, your brain constructs images of your surroundings based on pre-conceptions pre-loaded into your RAM (random access memory, to borrow a computer term) and ready for use. It often takes a while to load those images and constructs for things that are far from your mind. That's why it takes some time to recognize people we haven't seen for a long time... your brain has to dredge the constructs up out of long term memory. That's why people see Jesus in tea leaves and wall stains... his image is ALWAYS in their RAM.

Errh... the point? Our brains create our subjective reality, so whether the external universe is what it seems or not, the end result is the same. A false reality that accurately recreates the... errh... real thing, is for all intents and purposes, REAL.

But yes, Famine is right... you can only prove to YOURSELF that you exist, because you can observe your own existence. You cannot observe the existence of others, you can only infer that they exist from evidence given by the environment, you cannot directly observe their conscious existence.
 
Zardoz
My God, this thread sucks!

What a sad waste of perfectly good bandwidth!

Huh.

See, it's posts like that one that are a huge waste of perfectly good bandwidth. This thread has four pages of intelligent posts with two people wasting Jordan's money on stuff like that.

The solution is simple:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE A THREAD, DON'T POST IN IT.

Really, it's not that hard. Sadly, I can flag your post as exactly what not to do when you don't like a thread. The reason why they're bad is because they burn bandwidth (and therefore money) out of Jordan's pocket as fodder towards fostering a bad atmosphere, which is frowned upon in most societies (with GTP being one of them). So please, as a lesson for anyone, don't post in a thread simply to say the topic sucks. If that's your opinion, I have no issues with it, I just don't need to know how much you dislike it.

:)👍
 
daan
You posted it in the wrong place for intelligent posting, Jspec...

Sorry Jspec, I was not referring to your original idea for the thread, which is great. I'm referring only to what daan is talking about. I mean, a lot of these replies are just, well...
 
Eh, all is forgiven (if I have that power :odd:).

I will agree that the posts aren't as good as they were on other forums, but once it got going it was good.

Still, it's not wise to kick the perverbial dead horse, so to speak...
 
There's some serious Twilight Zone **** happening in this thread. :crazy:


I didn't post this by the way. I set the computer to autotype.
 
Hey, look who's back.

Anyway, this thread is actually ripped directly off another forum where it sparked a good deal of very intelligent, non-inflamed posting regarding one matter: whether or not you exist. I thought it'd be a good thing to post here, so here it is in its totality:

Prove that you exist, I dare you.

Oh, and try not to be too repetitive (don't want 20 consecutive posts saying "Pense ergo sunt").
 
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