PS3 Slim - The Official Thread

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Are You Going To Buy a PS3 Slim?

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Again, what are people looking at? The Emulation of the PS2 on the PS3 is inferior to the Hardware Rendering of the PS2 in the launch consoles. Most PS2 games are in 480i, they are going to look worst on the PS3 and HDTV because the PS3 doesn't upconvert most games just a few.

Gamestop has Refurbished 20GB Launch Console for $279, that's -$20 for BC and basically the same hardware. I've bought quite a few Refurbished things and generally unless the tech wasn't through when testing the hardware BEFORE and AFTER it was repaired it will be just as good as a brand new unit.

I'm leaning towards that, if that's not possible and I can't find a good deal on CL, then I would opt for a Slim, its all good. I'm still waiting for GT5 regardless, otherwise the soonest I can get one is Nov maybe, might as well wait.
 
I apologize if I did not pay attention as the issue may have been covered b4, BUT since I didnt have time to read all the pages. Now I saw the video review of the PS3 on Gamespot.com and here is what I have 2 say. These are my honest opinion based on what I understood from GAMESPOT

1. Really cheap looking device ... The FAT Ps3 looks decent and looks like a very hip DVD player or something that goes well with the TV whereas the slim looks like console form the 80's. When I 1st saw the leaked photos months ago I wished it was made up

2. Weight is almost the same so its really not portable. Also, If weight is the same, it means they just compressed everything into the new shell and the majority of the components are the same and they just got rid of all the extra room. In case of the cooling system, it is the new system so lets hope its good and causes no YLOD

3. The biggest drawback ==> NOT BEING ABLE TO INSTALL ANOTHER OS ... bye bye using your ps3 as a desktop and exploring the capabilities. I personally did not have the time to sit around and install another O.S yet, but as I have time on my hand now I can say welcome to PC games on my 42" plasma :).

All that said, I am very happy with my 60GB since it allows me CF, SD, etc and it is indeed a very cool option if ur hobby is photography. Even though I am very very unhappy with the lens as it broke on me 3 times. lets hope the new one has no lens issues.

here is the video:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6215547.html?tag=topslot;thumb;3
 
NoxNoctis Umbra
Then my friend you are wrong, quick search will prove you wrong..

SSD is way way way more faster for installing games from drive memory..
SSD is not that faster only when installing from game disc... but transferring pics, music, files, downloading and installing will prove its worth.




Heck I got 7,200 RPM and it's faster over the stock 5,400 that came with my 60 gig PS3.
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And that's likely a MLC SSD. Had he used a SLC, I think the games would've been faster.

Not to mention a SSD with Ps3-optimized firmware.
 
dj4monie
Again, what are people looking at? The Emulation of the PS2 on the PS3 is inferior to the Hardware Rendering of the PS2 in the launch consoles. Most PS2 games are in 480i, they are going to look worst on the PS3 and HDTV because the PS3 doesn't upconvert most games just a few.
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Its not the same but its not bad either. The colors on non Progreesive scan games look better on PS3. Its still playable and good enough. The simple fact that i dont need to ever use memory cards and have unlimited saves is a bigger bonus than a slightly marginal visual advantages. PS1 looks better on PS3 than 2 because of the progressive scan. PS2 looks bad on HDTVs and worse on ps3 but good enough.

Any day for me. 06'PS3>Ps2 for PS2 games.
 
persiano_dubai
1. Really cheap looking device ... The FAT Ps3 looks decent and looks like a very hip DVD player or something that goes well with the TV whereas the slim looks like console form the 80's. When I 1st saw the leaked photos months ago I wished it was made up
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I agree.

2. Weight is almost the same so its really not portable.
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I am not sure why this is an issue with a home console.

Also, If weight is the same, it means they just compressed everything into the new shell and the majority of the components are the same and they just got rid of all the extra room. In case of the cooling system, it is the new system so lets hope its good and causes no YLOD
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The dissection I saw showed they had a smaller 45nm cell and the RSX was even smaller, thus less size, heat, and energy. And it is ~30% lighter. The weight in grams may not be that light, but the PS3 is heavy to start with.

3. The biggest drawback ==> NOT BEING ABLE TO INSTALL ANOTHER OS ... bye bye using your ps3 as a desktop and exploring the capabilities. I personally did not have the time to sit around and install another O.S yet, but as I have time on my hand now I can say welcome to PC games on my 42" plasma :).
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You could only install Yellow Dog Linux and have it work properly, and then Sony still didn't allow it full access to the graphics processor so you weren't going to be putting your PC games on your plasma that way.

Now, my LCD with a VGA port combined with my wife's laptop on the other hand...



I am not quite sure what you expected with the Slim, but it was just intended to be a cheaper PS3, nothing more. The missing OS option is a bummer, but the native PS3 is still the same, just cheaper.
 
dj4monie
Again, what are people looking at? The Emulation of the PS2 on the PS3 is inferior to the Hardware Rendering of the PS2 in the launch consoles. Most PS2 games are in 480i, they are going to look worst on the PS3 and HDTV because the PS3 doesn't upconvert most games just a few.
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Could have fooled me. In fact, there were games that looked so good upscaled that I did a double take (KoF 98: UM and CVS 2 blew my mind). The only games I played that didn't look much better upscaled (in fact, they looked notably worse oddly enough) were Klonoa 2 and Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando. The former is a real shame because it is still one of the best looking PS2 games ever made; but the second has progressive scan, which I was trying to bypass, and when enabled looked fine.
 
Toronado
Could have fooled me. In fact, there were games that looked so good upscaled that I did a double take (KoF 98: UM and CVS 2 blew my mind). The only games I played that didn't look much better upscaled (in fact, they looked notably worse oddly enough) were Klonoa 2 and Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando. The former is a real shame because it is still one of the best looking PS2 games ever made; but the second has progressive scan, which I was trying to bypass, and when enabled looked fine.
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I think you misunderstood my post... I was saying games that the PS3 does not support upconverting, they don't look any better than they do on native PS2 hardware.

On games it does support, it looks better than PS2 hardware, but I would believe those games support Progressive Scan which makes sense.

That's all I was saying.

Games like PRD2/3 (Pro Race Driver) will just look worst (I think 2 looks better than 3 actually) both games are 480i...
 
persiano_dubai
1. Really cheap looking device ... The FAT Ps3 looks decent and looks like a very hip DVD player or something that goes well with the TV whereas the slim looks like console form the 80's. When I 1st saw the leaked photos months ago I wished it was made up.
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When I first saw the slim leaked case shots I thought they were fake because I simply didnt believe Sony would produce something that bland. I guess this is was recession gaming looks like!, its literally a piece of plastic to hold the components now but its good that a wider market is now attracted to buy it. My biggest beef with it is the new logo, why they couldnt have used the PS3 abbreviation in the original font is beyond me. This was used reciently in game adverts and looked really professional.

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As for the 80's thing, I actually think the the fat PS3 looks like its from that era but in a good way. It looks like a chunky VCR system complete with the chrome trim!

On another note the US has started is advertsing campaign with this advert, its about time they stated plugging the fact that the PS3 does 'everything'.



Robin.
 
Also, bear in mind the fat ps3 cost Sony a lot to manufacture - they made a loss on every one of the early models sold. This slim version is probably an attempt to cut costs further, which to me explains the cheap looking case and the crappy buttons. My original ps3 looks much more high quality with it's mirror/gloss finish, chrome and touch sensitive buttons. The slim version, to me, is more of a budget/cost cutting version.

Think I'll stick to the fat version personally.
 
Mubble
Also, bear in mind the fat ps3 cost Sony a lot to manufacture - they made a loss on every one of the early models sold. This slim version is probably an attempt to cut costs further, which to me explains the cheap looking case and the crappy buttons. My original ps3 looks much more high quality with it's mirror/gloss finish, chrome and touch sensitive buttons. The slim version, to me, is more of a budget/cost cutting version.

Think I'll stick to the fat version personally.
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I have no problem with stuff like cheaper buttons and case. The biggest problem with the PS3, in my mind at least, has been that it costs 55% more than the Xbox 360 pro bundle here in Australia, 75% more than a Xbox 360 pro without any games and 133% more than an Xbox 360 Arcade pack (though I dont recommend buying an Xbox 360 arcade pack, I simply state it for price comparison).

Cheaper looking case and regular buttons? Sure, I dont mind, I dont buy consoles to press the power button repeatedly. As long as it doesn't break I'm happy.

Also, I dont see what you guys are saying about the Slim looking ugly... what exactly about it is ugly? As far as I'm concerned, the Fat is ugly, the Slim is ugly, the 360 is ugly... I dont see how the slim is any more ugly than the regular Fat one. I guess you could say the glossy case... but after owning a glossy PC, glossy bezel monitor and glossy eee PC, I'm quite happy to have matt black stuff, glossy only looks great if you dust it every few days and wipe off fingerprints, which I dont plan on doing :p
 
Fact is, Sony built the first Playstation on the Hardware lost/Software profit model, this shouldn't shock anybody.

When technology started ratcheting up the bill has to paid someplace. If the market is unwilling to bear it, then companies will have to subsidize it. I don't think people fully understand the power that was in the original Playstation console.

Hardware Rendering of 3D was not widely affordable in those days (1995), but the PS1 did it EASY. Many PC games were ported over to the PS1 without a drop in image quality, only resolution between SDTV's and PC Monitors at the time which 14-15" was very common.

So how did Sony give you the power of a x486/66Hz or early Pentium PC for $199?

They decided to push the cost onto YOU the consumer. Games ran about $30-40 if I remember correctly as my first games were launch titles; Twisted Metal, Demolition Derby, Tekken and Warhawk.

CD games were cheaper compared to N64 games that ran near $60

I also had NBA In The Zone and it finally hit me that the PSOne was as good as current arcade games let alone PC games....

I never complained about the price of the PS1 (Traded my SNES for it). I simply couldn't afford a PS2 at the time of launch, when Sega Dreamcast prices dropped like a rock, I picked up a refurbished Dreamcast (still have it) for $70 and that was my first 32-bit console. When rumors of Sony coming out with a smaller Slim PS2 and a price drop first came to light, I waited. Then when GT5 was given a release date, I waited for that. By that time the PS2 had dropped to $179.

My main reason for not getting a PS3 was lack of software I wanted to play. I also have a backlog of PS2 games I need to finish and play, there was simple no rush to get a PS3 despite the upgrade in graphic quality, wireless controllers and native HD resolution.

In another Slim PS3 thread, I highlighted the fact that the console launch was a disaster. 7 of the first 20 or so games were First Person Shooters. That is a NARROW niche market at best. What Sony needed because MS had beat them to market with the first 128-bit console was a blockbuster title, they didn't have one.

Just watch how the combination of the console price drop with GT5 release is explode.

All the PS3 needed was a "killer app" it didn't have one until now.
 
dj4monie
Again, what are people looking at? The Emulation of the PS2 on the PS3 is inferior to the Hardware Rendering of the PS2 in the launch consoles. Most PS2 games are in 480i, they are going to look worst on the PS3 and HDTV because the PS3 doesn't upconvert most games just a few.
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That's not my experience, i run PS2 games in my PS3 80gb launch model, upscaled to 720i, and it just look great! I play GT4 and DB tenkachi 3, and with the cards reader make the things just easy with savegames.

The slim model looks good, but, i don't change my "old" faty 80 gb model, i'ts ROCK SOLID.
 
Damn! For how long are the fat PS3 be going to be available? I think this new slim looks cheap and ugly. It looks like a cheap rip-off from china. My only option to get a fat one might be second hand. But I hate to by used products when I buy a new console I want a brand new one.
 
Guessing until the stores run out of inventory of them.

Also, why is there so much complaining about it being ugly? Last I checked when I play a game I'm looking at the screen not the console. And when I'm not playing it it's put away. That is like saying you don't want a Gumpert because it's ugly.
 
Justin
Guessing until the stores run out of inventory of them.

Also, why is there so much complaining about it being ugly? Last I checked when I play a game I'm looking at the screen not the console. And when I'm not playing it it's put away. That is like saying you don't want a Gumpert because it's ugly.
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I think that as the PS3 is seen as more of a entertainment centre than it's competition mainly because of Bluray then the appearance should reflect this and for many the slim doesn't.
 
dj4monie
I was saying games that the PS3 does not support upconverting, they don't look any better than they do on native PS2 hardware.
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My eyes tell me otherwise. Even for games that were originally only 480i, quite a lot of my PS2 catalogue looks far better when upscaled to 720P on the PS3 then they ever did on the PS2.
 
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I'm sure me and some others who are Hi-Fi fanatics are a bit disappointed becuase for quite some time Sony promised a firmware that will make the original PS3 able to output Dolby and dts lossless via bitstream, now this slim model is able to do that and my $625 80gb (MGS4 bundle) cann't!!

I find it really disgraceful to market a product in such a way, so now even my Yamaha RXV-2800 stereo reciever will have to settle to the PCM signal from the good old PS3.

If I were Sony I would recall the older units and retrofit them with the new chip otherwise the logos of "Dolby True HD and dts HD-master audio" is misleading to be printed on the old PS3.

I wish Sony is listening!
 
capt_aaa
If I were Sony I would recall the older units and retrofit them with the new chip otherwise the logos of "Dolby True HD and dts HD-master audio" is misleading to be printed on the old PS3.
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Mine hasn't got DTS-HD MA printed anywhere on it.

And therefore I shall buy a Slim and stick the fat one in the office (The PS3, not the EO) where I can actually use my G25 and get some seat time once GT5 arrives.
 
Legendary724
Does anyone here actually have one?
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I do. I bought it last week when Target got them in stock. I actually like it. It is more square, which can be kinda awkward looking, but while its sitting on your entertainment center, it looks really good. And while the buttons aren't touch, they don't feel cheap. It is still a really well made console in my opinion.
 
Just ordered my PS3 slim from AMAZON.com waiting patiently for it to be delivered. Cant wait.
 
I bought a slim over the weekend

For those of you who think it looks cheap i completely disagree

It's quiter, obviously smaller, i like the new buttons and how they light up. I like the dualshock controller. And the non shiny case is much better, i think the old ones look tacky and cheap :p

And the fact that i bought it for $50 more than i sold my old one for means im very happy :lol: oh AND i got a free game with it (Thanks the warehouse)
 
I'm thinking of trading my 40GB fat for a new slim at GameStop. However, nowhere I've been has actually had one on display, which seems a bit odd - you're supposed to buy it sight unseen? :rolleyes:
 
As far as im aware, they can only display used consoles, so used controllers, consoles and games, at least thats what the guy at my local store told me.
 

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