PS3 vs X-box 360

[code_kev]

I think his point is, you are isolating PS3 to only having RPG's and such, when in reality, the mass of games are outstanding, and far exceed that of Xbox.

What? How can the mass of ps3 games be better then xbox ones, when they don't even exist. If you meant ps2 games, I'd disagee, I'd say that the mass of games on both machines are utter crap. I do agree though that saying that the ps3 will only have rpgs and stuff is abit silly.

If you are truely into FPS, then there is no way you would say that Xbox has any good FPS, because halo is by far one of the ****tiest FPS I've ever played, it's just a rehash and is only successful, IMO, because it's all that's on Xbox to be proud of.

That's a load of crap, I love FPS games, and I've played some great ones on the xbox, Doom 3, Riddick, and especially the brilliant Halo games. Calling Halo crap is a joke. Halo games are made to a damn high standard with great gameplay, good graphics, fantastic sound, a good plot, and a genius multiplayer. To call halo games crap implies that you know nothing about computer games. Tha_con, you seem to sounding very much like a fan boy man, "only thing on the xbox to be proud of", wha? Proud of? Who the smeg is "proud" of a console? And if your implying the xbox has only crap games, what about stuff like jade empire, kotor 1 and 2, Ninja Gaiden etc?

If you only enjoy FPS then you are going to isolate yourself to having very little to play from, I mean name all these "wonderful" FPS that xbox has? Halo? Doom? Unreal?

Well Doom 3, Riddick and halo 1 and 2 are wonderful games. Half Life 2 is also being made for it.

I can promise you we'll see Quake, Doom, and Unreal on PS3. And your opinion on the controller shows your bias even more so.

Why in gods name are you trying to compare the xbox to the ps3. The controller also doesnt look very suitible for FPS games.

 

[a6m5]

I voted for PS3..... well, Gran Turismo's on it. Only problem I see with the Xbox 360 is that it uses normal DVDs, while PS3 will be going with blu-ray DVDs. I think blu-rays can hold 5 times more data than traditional DVDs? If we are talking about disc spaces on current generation games, are standard DVDs going to be enough for X360? On the other hand, maybe this will help keep the cost lower(it really should) for Microsoft, so they can sell their console cheaper than Sony's.

 

[Dave A]

Their console costs less to manufacture than the PS3 anyway, so no matter what you'll see XB360 on the shelv's for less than PS3's. XB360 uses HD DVD, which can store 15GB's of data, Blu ray can store upto and soon maybe over 50GB on a single disk.

 

[Driftster]

I personally don't see many 50 gig games in the near future...Call me crazy, but big ass PC games don't even take up that much space..

 

[Dave A]

I don't see 50GB games coming soon, but I do see movies being done at that high quality. I also see the scope for games to come in a couple of years where they will be finding 15GB restrictive. It's not so much about will they need 50GB, because most Blue-Ray games will probasbly be 25GB single layer disks, it's more about, will they need more than 15GB, and I think that we will see games taking up more than 15GB.

 

[barryl85]

La Bounti, how is that a worse reason? I know what style of games I do like and I don't like. I don't care if some asian Vixen with Triple G breasts has to save her uncle's country with the magical golden sword. I really don't.

wat about the size of breasts the biatch in Ninja Gaiden has? wow maybe it aint that bad after all

 

[barryl85]

Why in gods name are you trying to compare the xbox to the ps3. The controller also doesnt look very suitible for FPS games.

I have a July 05 copy of 'The Edge' magazine it has a 12 page review of the ps3 - it has bold writing under one of the pictures saying the console could and probably will take a change in styling before its release and as for the controller - its a definite - it will be changed (THANK GOD) it was only a prototype model - does any1 even know if that ps3 controller worked did sony use it at E3? im sure i heard that they used a DS2 - so if it didnt even work whats the chances of it being the final design - IMO - especially due to ergonomical reasons.

 

[LaBounti]

well, i think that drifster is overstating an opinion, but he has a right to it and can hate those games or prefer those storylines. i don't like mystery books, that doesn't mean you can't like them or I have to like them if you do. people look for different things in different games.

True enough but to dislike the hardware because of game types that exist on the next gen system he does like is a bit odd.

When did X360 switch to HD-DVD? I thought it was DVD with HD in the future?

 

[tha_con]

What? How can the mass of ps3 games be better then xbox ones, when they don't even exist. If you meant ps2 games, I'd disagee, I'd say that the mass of games on both machines are utter crap. I do agree though that saying that the ps3 will only have rpgs and stuff is abit silly.

I did mean PS2 games, and you can disagree all you want, but the list of enjoyable games, regardless of personal taste, that rank on the "top" list is PS2.

MGS Series
GoW
FF Series
GT
Tekken Series
DMC Series
Kingdom Hearts
Jak and Daxter Series
Ratchet and Clank Series
Sly
Klonoa 2
Midnight Club (a series that was birthed on PS2)
Onimusha Series

That's just SOME, and they all rank 8+ and are outstanding games that all offer different experiences.

That's a load of crap, I love FPS games, and I've played some great ones on the xbox, Doom 3, Riddick, and especially the brilliant Halo games. Calling Halo crap is a joke. Halo games are made to a damn high standard with great gameplay, good graphics, fantastic sound, a good plot, and a genius multiplayer. To call halo games crap implies that you know nothing about computer games. Tha_con, you seem to sounding very much like a fan boy man, "only thing on the xbox to be proud of", wha? Proud of? Who the smeg is "proud" of a console? And if your implying the xbox has only crap games, what about stuff like jade empire, kotor 1 and 2, Ninja Gaiden etc?

Thanks for reading all of my posts kev, when I clearly stated previously that Ninja Gaiden, and Jade Empire were among my favorites, and KOTOR is very repetitive, though it's a good series, it get's boring very quickly.

As for Halo, I've said it once, and I'll say it a million times, there isn't ONE THING in Halo that we HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE. It is ONLY SUCCESSFUL due to the fact it's on a console with great online support, period. People are "proud" of the fact that it's a "good game" when they claim it to be "among the greats" without comparing it to a multi-console release, or other FPS of similar style. It is, and forever will be, a generic rehashed FPS.

Half Life 2 is the first FPS in a while I have seen that has something new, and that was it's extremely amazing pyhysics engine.

Well Doom 3, Riddick and halo 1 and 2 are wonderful games. Half Life 2 is also being made for it.

So you name games that are ports, and Halo. Prove my point further. If you can honestly tell me it matters that Doom 3nad HL2 are coming to xbox, when they are amazingly better on PC, then do it...whatever.

Why in gods name are you trying to compare the xbox to the ps3. The controller also doesnt look very suitible for FPS games.

Controller is always opinion, and a matter of preference. But you have been taking my posts completely out of context.

My point in my posts is not to "prove" PS3 to be anything better than Xbox 360, however to disagree with the generilization that Drifster has labled it to have, based on his "experience" with PS2.

 

[BlackZ28]

you really liked HL2 that much? I mean, I bought it on launch and all, but I regret it, I dont think it was worth the 54.99

 

[code_kev]

Riddick wasn't a port, and you missed ICO from your list of PS2 games.

and that was it's extremely amazing pyhysics engine.

Max Payne 2 got it first, OH WELL! Guess that makes HL2 a rehash...

If you can honestly tell me it matters that Doom 3nad HL2 are coming to xbox, when they are amazingly better on PC, then do it...whatever.

To some people it will, we don't all have good systems.

If you consider that Halo came out in 2001, it was ahead of it's time, huge open levels, decent physics, proper 5.1 sound, SUPER AI that most games even now can't match, and a great multiplayer mode.

Some of those outstanding games you listed are abit dodgy tbh, I think this generation has been abut weak tbh. I also agree that judging a machines games before it is out is also abit silly.

 

[Viper_Maniac]

you really liked HL2 that much? I mean, I bought it on launch and all, but I regret it, I dont think it was worth the 54.99

Its an amazingly great game. I think it was well worth the money. I'm playing through the game for a second time. I cant wait for Aftermath.

 

[discopotato]

ok, I don't care if a game was on pc. my pc is crappy and can't even handle something like doom3 or half life2 at decent settings so i prefer my xbox. simpler games like UT2004 are ok on the PC to me, but i'm too ADD or whatever to remember all those buttons in half life much less the second one. I can never find buttons on the PC and when i'm used to a different keyboard it is very difficult. these don't apply to all of you and I'm saying what i think. Halo is a great game and it was especially good when it originally came out. i find myself playing halo 20x more than UT and half life. the single player in Halo is good and the multiplayer is good with casual friends (and not so much with hardcore live people) but it has it's flaws. i think the shield system is very new and i had never seen anything like it before, but they sorta ruined the idea of the shield in halo 2.

And i liked the story line in halo. i never expected the flood in Halo 1 and i never figured the brutes would betray the elites in halo 2. in fact, the humans didn't really win in halo 2 considering it's more of a cliffhanger than anything. in WWII i know we wanted to beat the nazis, italians, and japanese and we did. the biggest plot twist in WWII was when hitler betrayed stalin, and then stalin ended up beating him.

 

[LaBounti]

I dont think Halo was ahead of its time, at least visualy. Its levels were not that huge. Walking at a slow pace and covering the same areas will make them seem big. The multiplayer was buggy and unbalanced. Just my thoughts.

Only WW2 games I'll play are Battlefield 1942(no story just guts and glory) and Wolfenstien games (I like sci-fi games).

Only bad part about Half-Life 2 is the install. ugh.

 

[tha_con]

Some of those outstanding games you listed are abit dodgy tbh.

What about ANY of those games is dodgy?

MGS Series - Ground Breaking Visuals for PS2, and WONDERFUL story and direction

GoW - AMAZING story, and AMAZING soundtrack, combined with great gameplay

FF Series - Always delivers in terms of visual finesse, and the game play is usually fun

GT - GROUND breaking visuals for the hardware it's on, despite the lack of reverse lights

Tekken Series - Just amazing, and Tekken 5 is STUNNING for PS2 hardware, and shows lots of EMOTION (despite your claim that no game has it)

DMC Series - 1st and 3rd are great challenging games, and beautiful

Kingdom Hearts - Wonderful RPG, get past the disney part

Jak and Daxter Series - Wonderful platformer that has good visuals

Ratchet and Clank Series - Another wonderful platformer, but with better
gameplay

Sly - Another platformer, but with great visuals (celshaded) plus it's got a funny story

Klonoa 2 - Not visually impressive, but the gameplay was great, and the level design was amazing

Midnight Club (a series that was birthed on PS2) - It's just a fun street racing game, what more is it? It sure beats the hell out of NFSU IMO.

Onimusha Series - Got MUCH better later in the series, started out dodgy I'll admit, but got wonderful in the third installment.


So what, code, is dodgy? The fact that they aren't FPS? Or maybe that they aren't all 'real enough' for you? I'm missing your point, these are WONDERFUL games, and according to the MASSES, and not YOUR OPINION, they did VERY WELL, and the numbers they pushed far exceed that of almost all xbox games (minus halo). I don't see where you come from on your points, you just say "tbh" like I'm supposed to agree since you're "being honest"...give me a break.

*edit* post was edited to make it easier to read.

 

[Mista Bob]

. XB360 uses HD DVD, which can store 15GB's of data,

Nope. It will be using regular DVD's.

They plan to release a XBox360 that supports HD DVD later. So in otherwords... You will have to buy another XBox360 if you want to play the newest games.


http://www.i4u.com/article3754.html

 

[Driftster]

or you could wait? Did that ever cross your mind? The fact that you don't have to camp out


Most of those are opinionated aswell and if Halo is such a bad game because it's things we've seen before how do those games stand out?.

MGS, yes.. Groundbreaking visuals, considering only what? 8-12 games came out before it? Zone of the Enders had ground breaking visuals, and MGS had a horrible story once it came to PS2. if you think SOL Was a good game you're nootz.

Tekken, I was never a fan for it.. But it had a fan base I won't deny, but remember X box had DOA to combat it.How did Tekken have emotion?I don


DMC, the first was not challenging at all, although it was fun it was NOT challenginga little.
the 3rd was a tad more difficult, and had better visuals yes. But challenging is NOT the word to give to that series.


Jakk - Is an amazing series, and Jakk 2/3 is still a game I'm willing to buy a PS2 for.

Sly- Ok, it's a platform game wih CelShading? So was Jet Grind Radio, does that mean Sly was just a rehashed game?

Klonoa 2 - had great level design, but was done all before in both Mario 64 and Knights

If GT had such "Ground breaking visuals" how did they improve upon it a couple years later, on the same hardware?

 

[EvilToast]

Code_kev wants reality, he can be like this guy.
Code_kev

 

[Driftster]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..

OMG I can picture him doing that...really..I can

 

[Mista Bob]

or you could wait? Did that ever cross your mind? The fact that you don't have to camp out

I was merely correcting what one person said about the 360 using HD-DVD's. Anyways, I dont have to worry about that seeing how I wont be buying one. And ofcourse you can wait. In the end it was a very bad decision by Microsoft to announce this. It could possibley hurt sales at launch with people waiting before buying one.

 

[a6m5]

I was merely correcting what one person said about the 360 using HD-DVD's. Anyways, I dont have to worry about that seeing how I wont be buying one. And ofcourse you can wait. In the end it was a very bad decision by Microsoft to announce this. It could possibley hurt sales at launch with people waiting before buying one.

I agree.

I'm kind of dissapointed about this. I was hoping Toshiba camp and Sony camp would work something out, so us, the consumers doesn't have to deal with two different DVD formats. The deal between Microsoft and Toshiba would work very well for them, but not so great news for us. Now, we get to deal with HD and blu-ray DVDs. 👎

 

[Driftster]

How can you be so dissappointed with this, when SONY did the same thing except it was a much more prominant impact.

I'm sorry, but missing out on an optical drive that probably won't be fully taken advantage of for a while (which will probably be sold separately by third party distributors within a week of it's debut for 1/2 the price) isn't half as bad as no Hard drive when supposedly delaying the release date would have meant we got one for free...
Speaking of course of the Ps2...but considering how slow it made the Ps2, i think they lucked out

 

[tha_con]

or you could wait? Did that ever cross your mind? The fact that you don't have to camp out


Most of those are opinionated aswell and if Halo is such a bad game because it's things we've seen before how do those games stand out?.

MGS, yes.. Groundbreaking visuals, considering only what? 8-12 games came out before it? Zone of the Enders had ground breaking visuals, and MGS had a horrible story once it came to PS2. if you think SOL Was a good game you're nootz.

Tekken, I was never a fan for it.. But it had a fan base I won't deny, but remember X box had DOA to combat it.How did Tekken have emotion?I don


DMC, the first was not challenging at all, although it was fun it was NOT challenginga little.
the 3rd was a tad more difficult, and had better visuals yes. But challenging is NOT the word to give to that series.


Jakk - Is an amazing series, and Jakk 2/3 is still a game I'm willing to buy a PS2 for.

Sly- Ok, it's a platform game wih CelShading? So was Jet Grind Radio, does that mean Sly was just a rehashed game?

Klonoa 2 - had great level design, but was done all before in both Mario 64 and Knights

If GT had such "Ground breaking visuals" how did they improve upon it a couple years later, on the same hardware?

Do you just want me to make you look like you don't know what you are talking about, or is it just involuntary behavior?

All of the games I mentioned were nothing of personal preference, and there are a few in the list I do not like, but that does not change the fact that they were successful, and great titles, regardless of my personal taste, if you let personal taste get in the way of your judgement then you can never EVER give an unbiased opinion.

So, let's make you look stupid now.


MGS - I stated series, both SOL and Snake Eater were ground breaking, and BOTH had great story's, with great twists and awesome character development. You personal taste though, clouds your judgement and creates your unfair bias.

Tekken - Again, you clearly state in your FIRST FEW WORDS a personal bias and opinion. Tekken is VASTLY deeper than ANY DOA game out, period. DOA is a shabby fighting system, the only thing that the game has that Tekken doesn't? Great online features. But Tekken has superior frame data, superior animation, superior fighting system. As for the emotion, it's very clear you haven't played Tekken 5, because all characters have AMAZING facial expressions, especailly considering they are on PS2 hardware. The lip sync, brow movements, smiles, frowns, everything is all done wonderfully, and that is how the emotion is displayed, much better than DOA as well, which is on "superior hardware" (which is also developed by an idiot named Itagaki who thinks boobs are the focal point of his game apparently).

DMC - I'll agree the first wasn't amazingly challenging...on easy or normal. And for you to say the third was only "slightly more challenging"...did you even attempt to play a harder difficulty rather than normal? Don't kid me, or blow smoke up my ---. Just judging from a persons comments, I will automatically assume you are not the most skilled action gamer here, and even those who are amazing with the DMC series will vouch that it is by no means an "easy game".

Jet Grind Radio was good, but the story was weaksauce, of course that could be personal opinion, so I won't go there.

As for GT, again I said SERIES. Both games are groundbreaking for PS2 visuals.



So please, if you continue to take my posts out of context for self gradification, or in order to make yourself come across as a slightly more intelligent individual, at least include some form of truth in your words, rather than speculation, opinion, and distortions. I haven't taken your words out of context, or misunderstood what you are trying to say, so please, do unto others.

*edit* As for Klonoa 2, mario 64 had good level design, but it was simple in comparison to Klonoa 2, but again maybe this is just personal preference, but I had a great time playing Klonoa, and the level design was just genius and flowed so smoothly while being so versitile, it was a great game, and an amazing platformer.

 

[code_kev]

I really can't be arsed.

Some of those games you mentioned are ground breaking, some are nothing new what so ever, and you also missed games like ICO and VF4 evo.

which is also developed by an idiot named Itagaki who thinks boobs are the focal point of his game apparently

That idiot made ninja gaiden, one of the best games of this whole generation.

DOA is not a deep game, but it's certainly a very pretty game.

I'm shocked that you can't see how well Halo was made for it's time, oh well, I guess if it was on the PS2, your opinions of it may be abit different.

Jet Grind Radio was good, but the story was weaksauce

So weak, that many games have copied it.

You also mention the FF games, give me a break. 10 and X2 were pathetic at best. Boring, dull and shallow. Snore.

TBH I'm not actually sure why your listing these games...are you trying to prove something?

 

[Mista Bob]

How can you be so dissappointed with this, when SONY did the same thing except it was a much more prominant impact.

I'm sorry, but missing out on an optical drive that probably won't be fully taken advantage of for a while (which will probably be sold separately by third party distributors within a week of it's debut for 1/2 the price) isn't half as bad as no Hard drive when supposedly delaying the release date would have meant we got one for free...
Speaking of course of the Ps2...but considering how slow it made the Ps2, i think they lucked out

I fail to see how that has a ''much more prominant impact'' over the 360 being released with support for only DVD's at first.

With 360 only supportingDVD's at first with possible support for HD-DVD later. Thats over 4x more space for games on the disc. Space thats going to be needed for these next generation games. Alot more usefull than a hard drive, if you ask me.

Than theres the fact that its very likely you will have to purchase another XBox360 sometime down the line.

Now tell me again how the PS hard drive issue has a much more prominant impact.

 

[ls2_297]

my two cents...

sony is better

 

[barryl85]

my two cents...

sony is better

Im pretty sure code_kev will have a reply to that - even tho i agree fully 👍

 

[a6m5]

How can you be so dissappointed with this, when SONY did the same thing except it was a much more prominant impact.

You've got to be joking me. I said I'm dissapointed Toshiba & Co. and Sony & Co. couldn't work out the differences on the next generation DVD format. You actually don't mind dealing with two different DVDs? You realize HD and blu-ray won't read with same laser? That means some players won't be able to play the "other" type of DVDs and players that can will need to have two different lasers to read both types of DVDs. Waste of time and money for everybody involved.

 

[Maven]

In the end it was a very bad decision by Microsoft to announce this. It could possibley hurt sales at launch with people waiting before buying one.

I agree. Although I imagine that they had to do it, they couldn't appear to be substandard compared to Sony, so they had to upgrade to HD-DVDs. And if they waited until the upgrade was ready, they wouldn't have as much time to build a user base before the PS3 came out. It'll be interesting to see how this'll go down with hardcore Xbox fans.

And I think a lot of you who think that HD-DVD and Blu-Ray drives are going to be underutilized for a while are going to be surprised. I'm sure that there are several marketing execs who are salivating at the possibility of re-releasing their movies on a new format.

...or maybe I'm just cynical.

 

[code_kev]

im pretty sure code_kev will have a reply to that - even tho i agree fully

I prefer neither, as neither mean anything to me. It's the machines themselves that matter to me, not who makes em.