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Only thing I would change about it is that I'd count the yellow lines as track, but that would be the limit
 
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Only thing I would change about it is that I'd count the yellow lines as track, but that would be the limit
What I find funny is that the illustration is exactly how I had been Q'ing up in every racing series.

Since there's no line at the Nouvelle chicane, my understanding is that in this case, for a clean time, the OUTSIDE tires may NOT touch the curbs AT ANY TIME.
 
Room closed. PB 40.2.

Q'ing tomorrow.

Nice, maybe you can gun down Aderrm, your about half a second if his 39.7 👍

I'm stuck at 40.9, I found a better T3 line so 40.5 is the best I can hope for mid race.
 
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Just a reminder. In addition to the chicane rules, we also have a restriction on contact with the wall:
Hitting a wall will do nothing but slow you down anyway. However, Tokyo rules should apply here.
I'd say that we'll allow one "accidental" bump for each lap, any more than it'll be considered dirty.
 
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Well you're not going to find a chicane rule in the OP. Things like this, to me, are pretty obvious and when creating the series all of 9 weeks ago (or more) you don't think about a little chicane in a race that takes place over two months after you created the thread. Obviously the question has come up now, and I addressed it. It is really not that hard to get through there without losing too much time. Tested it myself last night.

If it's really going to be that big of a problem, we can set the grid order by points and go from there. It's not like I can put a concrete barrier there to keep people from doing the wrong thing. It's up to the drivers to know what they are doing.
The only problem lies in having series that change from the standard OLR adapting altered versions, or specific areas in which the rules differ from standard OLR.

In every series I've been in where the rules changed away from the OLR, confusion arose about the rules/boundaries.

Of course some people always make a bigger deal about special rules/boundaries than necessary as well. Personally, I always dig for the rule, which is why I don't recall ever not knowing the rule come race time, and that's also how I know it's not too hard to keep up with the weekly specifics.
 
We have a room up, too. Me, litchi an Wardez.

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Effective immediately I am CANCELING the Monaco race.

This chicane issue has gone WAY too far and it's just not worth my time to listen to all the bickering.

I'll address this more in the morning after Aderrrm's Laguna Seca 200km.
 
Effective immediately I am CANCELING the Monaco race.

This chicane issue has gone WAY too far and it's just not worth my time to listen to all the bickering.

I'll address this more in the morning after Aderrrm's Laguna Seca 200km.

Noooooooooooo........
 
I'm hoping this will calm some people down before they post.

First off, these are photos from ACTUAL qualifying laps that I personally stewarded. I used Pan Mode 2 to minimize distortion.

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In all three cases, when I saw it on the initial replay, not only did I thought it was clean, others that were in the room thought so as well. However, when I saved the replay and checked the angles in photo mode, this was the result. It wasn't until I focused all my attention on the left front tire on replays multiple times when I finally noticed what was going on.

When you aim for the curbing, depending on the angle you take, there are generally two results.

1. The right rear hops up, which makes the car go relatively straight. Often, that means you're at risk of hitting the wall on exit.

2. The curbing pulls the car hard right.

Given how the car understeers, it's safe to say that everyone wants to have #2 happen because that lines up the car for the exit faster than most of us can using the pad/wheel, which translates to a faster time. However, when this phenomenon happens, it brings the left front perilously close to the curb. Why? Partly because the curbing's so tall, the pull is quite sudden. The fact that the curb's a tad more squarish than chicanes at other tracks doesn't help.

The result? If the car angle's off even just a little, or if the pull's strong enough, a driver will inadvertently have what is shown on the pictures happen to them. Worse, because of how quickly this happens, both the driver, AND the steward will likely not realize it. Therefore, we get the end result of a lap that we think is clean, based on the two-wheels-on-tarmac rule, when it is actually not. Even in laps when the car used the curb, and it was clean, the distance between the left front and the curb was surprisingly narrow, much to my dismay.

To sum it up, this is something that simply didn't get noticed at all until this week, and unfortunately, there wasn't enough time to properly remedy it before it ballooned into this big mess.
 
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#1 is dirty, #2 and #3 are still clean but probably end up dirty, hard to judge from stills.

Business as usual imho, nothing special. I don't get the problem. I dont understand how it required 4 long pages of nothing. Seriously please.

Usually the viewing angle is from front/left, provides a great view of the car's left side. If any red/white stuff comes out from under it's wheels, it is dirty. 2 wheels on or vertically above track.

There might be close calls, but most are immediately verifiable. And when you get a viewing angle from behind you can not judge anything, need to check replay. Maybe 1 in 5.

I don't know where that crazy stuff came from about wheels being completely on tarmac and not even touching the curb with their inside. You can never verify this without replay photomode and crawling under the car, so this idea is pure insanity. But that was probably what completely derailed this thread.
 
Effective immediately I am CANCELING the Monaco race.

This chicane issue has gone WAY too far and it's just not worth my time to listen to all the bickering.

I'll address this more in the morning after Aderrrm's Laguna Seca 200km.

We can always do the points line up thing...
The reason the cars are tricky to watch in the chicane is because they are so narrow.
 
#1 is dirty, #2 and #3 are still clean but probably end up dirty, hard to judge from stills.

Business as usual imho, nothing special. I don't get the problem. I dont understand how it required 4 long pages of nothing. Seriously please.

Usually the viewing angle is from front/left, provides a great view of the car's left side. If any red/white stuff comes out from under it's wheels, it is dirty. 2 wheels on or vertically above track.

There might be close calls, but most are immediately verifiable. And when you get a viewing angle from behind you can not judge anything, need to check replay. Maybe 1 in 5.

I don't know where that crazy stuff came from about wheels being completely on tarmac and not even touching the curb with their inside. You can never verify this without replay photomode and crawling under the car, so this idea is pure insanity. But that was probably what completely derailed this thread.
That.

It blows my mind why we can't just go out and race to standard lines. This thread is explaining it for me though.
 
I'd rather just line up on points and move on.

chicanery...

At this point even if we do that, I'd expect 5 people to show up. It's just not worth it to me. I'd postpone it but then you have people who are relying on this ending when it is. Right now I think it's best if we just move on to Laguna.
 
With this race i had chances to race in finals, i think u guys r taking this toooo serious, in the end this is for fun, its not like we gonna go straight over the chicane n gain 3 seconds. This is the first time since ive played gt5 trying to avoid putting 3 wheels on that chicane (now that i look the photos) that has always been my line
 
Well I would still race no matter what line up.


To cancel the race is not very considerate to those that have been cooperative and trying to adhere to the rule.


Personally think the option is dropping the problem. Which is the chicane rule. Why not just run using the curb. Solves all the problems and we can be racing.


Please reconsider canceling the event for many of us look forward to it all week long.
 
At this point even if we do that, I'd expect 5 people to show up. It's just not worth it to me. I'd postpone it but then you have people who are relying on this ending when it is. Right now I think it's best if we just move on to Laguna.

I don't think we should move on. People depended on getting into the finals with this race so its not fair to give them the chance. Personally, if its not going ahead tonight, the schedule should be set back a week, not missing out the last race.

And im pretty sure than 5 guys will show up. Its not even been a day since you've said the race has been cancelled. Pretty sure a PM or a message on PSN would work.
 
Personally think the option is dropping the problem. Which is the chicane rule.

The 2 wheels on tarmac rule is as easy to grasp as the 2 wheels on rumble strip rule is. It's not like Monaco wasn't new for this week - it's probably the first time people have run it in a while - but you adapt to that change. But it's amazing how people wouldn't be moaning about the chicane if we had used the usual 2 on rumble strip rule - the conditions are exactly the same which bring up the same supposed viewing problem.
 
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The 2 wheels on tarmac rule is as easy to grasp as the 2 wheels on rumble strip rule is. It's not like Monaco wasn't new for this week - it's probably the first time people have run it in a while - but you adapt to that change. But it's amazing how people wouldn't be moaning about the chicane if we had used the usual 2 on rumble strip rule - the conditions are exactly the same which bring up the same supposed viewing problem.

Why are you telling me this? I've agreed to running that way and have no issues with it.

However since this has created a problem where the race is canceled. I suggest removing the thing that is creating the waves or issues.

Again. I'm good either way. I am not good with a cancelled race. If I have to start a lap down and in backwards to race. So be it. I WANT TO RACE.
 
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